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M:S Testing speculation
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dalton30720
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Most of the real testing was/is done with some rather hi-tech test dummies to measure various effects on the occupants. The testing now involving real people is strictly for fine-tuning and operator training. They can't do anything that might in any way endanger the guests.
Centrifugeer
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I know. I was just backing you up (except for the part about the speed for all centrifuges being controlled in one place.).
The only "high-tech" M: S test dummies were the Imagineers themselves.
The weight factor used in the capsules for testing purposes were large plastic containers filled with water. Not exactly high-tech, but it got the job done.
I know. I was just backing you up (except for the part about the speed for all centrifuges being controlled in one place.).
The only "high-tech" M: S test dummies were the Imagineers themselves.
The weight factor used in the capsules for testing purposes were large plastic containers filled with water. Not exactly high-tech, but it got the job done.
dalton30720
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Not true !!
Originally posted by Centrifugeer
The only "high-tech" M: S test dummies were the Imagineers themselves.
Not true !!
ISTCrew20
Well-Known Member
9 out of the 10 times I have been on Space, i had always went into the yellow room. The very last time, I went in blue, and it seemed smoother. Also, last two times I was in yellow, I could feel it spinning, which, the other times I had been on the attraction never affected me
Centrifugeer
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Quite true.
There was/is no need to use any kind of human mock-up for testing purposes since the effects of G-forces and centrifuges on the human body is already a known quantity and the information is available in publicly published scientific texts. The only portion of testing where strain gauges were used were for the actual critical structural components of M: S itself; particularly the centrifuge arms and high-stress areas of the capsule.
M: S was initially ridden last November by members of the Imagineering group that built M: S. They were the first to provide meaningful feedback about the ride sensation, hence my comment about the "only high-tech test dummies" being Imagineers.
Quite true.
There was/is no need to use any kind of human mock-up for testing purposes since the effects of G-forces and centrifuges on the human body is already a known quantity and the information is available in publicly published scientific texts. The only portion of testing where strain gauges were used were for the actual critical structural components of M: S itself; particularly the centrifuge arms and high-stress areas of the capsule.
M: S was initially ridden last November by members of the Imagineering group that built M: S. They were the first to provide meaningful feedback about the ride sensation, hence my comment about the "only high-tech test dummies" being Imagineers.
dalton30720
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You may believe what you want. I know otherwise.
You may believe what you want. I know otherwise.
Centrifugeer
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It's not what I "believe," nor am I speculating. I saw the M: S testing processes on numerous occasions with my own eyes and I know precisely what they did. There were no "high-tech dummies" ever used. Plastic containers molded to fit in a capsule seat were filled with water (to simulate the weight of a rider in a capsule). Those were the only "dummies" ever used.
It's not what I "believe," nor am I speculating. I saw the M: S testing processes on numerous occasions with my own eyes and I know precisely what they did. There were no "high-tech dummies" ever used. Plastic containers molded to fit in a capsule seat were filled with water (to simulate the weight of a rider in a capsule). Those were the only "dummies" ever used.
ISTCrew20
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I heard almost the exact same thing from a friend who's dad worked on the attraction. He also showed me this hook thing that they used for weight balance, something of the nature,I didnt quite understand him lol
I heard almost the exact same thing from a friend who's dad worked on the attraction. He also showed me this hook thing that they used for weight balance, something of the nature,I didnt quite understand him lol
Bagheera
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Based on their background and track record, I would believe Centrifugeer and Corrus over your posts. If you have some source of information that you believe contradicts them, I would love to hear about it, as long as you can identify your source. What connection(s) do you have with Mission:Space?
Based on their background and track record, I would believe Centrifugeer and Corrus over your posts. If you have some source of information that you believe contradicts them, I would love to hear about it, as long as you can identify your source. What connection(s) do you have with Mission:Space?
pjammer
Active Member
Well there was one "high tech dummy" used to test the ride. Although Im not sure if it classifies as a dummy. Its a device called BERT. It is used on all rides to measure g-forces, bumpyness, etc. etc. It makes sure that all rides meet certain standards and what not. But I do know that alot of the test was done by actual people.
dalton30720
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I’m not looking for an argument or out to contradict anyone. I’ll admit there’s much about M:S that I don’t know, but there are some areas that I do. After my last post, I was going to just let the whole thing drop. But, since you asked I’ll share what I know.
I’m a partner in an Engineering firm in Atlanta. We specialize in advanced process control & automation systems. We were contracted by ETC & Disney to assist in the testing & analysis of the ride’s complex control systems. (We’ve done work for Disney before.) Most of the testing took place in Southampton with final confirmation testing at WDW. Please note that I’m NOT saying that we wrote the control systems, because we didn’t. Our involvement was to review the system, assist in testing & analysis of various scenarios & profiles, and offer suggestions for improvements. Also, we were not the only Engineering firm hired to help with this. We were an independent set of eyes used for quality control and safety standards. During the testing, 1000’s of data points were recorded per second from the drive systems, the various centrifuge components, and inside the individual pods. Part of the testing included the effects on the occupants. I referred to the hi-tech dummies, because that’s how it was explained to me. I do know that something was placed in the seats, to represent the riders, with an array of sensors to measure various conditions. They might have been plastic containers filled with water, I don’t know for sure, I wasn’t involved in that exact part of it. But, I do know about the sensors and the data they were collecting. My original point was that they aren’t testing new scenarios on the guests that are riding M:S now. That work was completed long ago and won’t change without additional extensive testing.
I’m not looking for an argument or out to contradict anyone. I’ll admit there’s much about M:S that I don’t know, but there are some areas that I do. After my last post, I was going to just let the whole thing drop. But, since you asked I’ll share what I know.
I’m a partner in an Engineering firm in Atlanta. We specialize in advanced process control & automation systems. We were contracted by ETC & Disney to assist in the testing & analysis of the ride’s complex control systems. (We’ve done work for Disney before.) Most of the testing took place in Southampton with final confirmation testing at WDW. Please note that I’m NOT saying that we wrote the control systems, because we didn’t. Our involvement was to review the system, assist in testing & analysis of various scenarios & profiles, and offer suggestions for improvements. Also, we were not the only Engineering firm hired to help with this. We were an independent set of eyes used for quality control and safety standards. During the testing, 1000’s of data points were recorded per second from the drive systems, the various centrifuge components, and inside the individual pods. Part of the testing included the effects on the occupants. I referred to the hi-tech dummies, because that’s how it was explained to me. I do know that something was placed in the seats, to represent the riders, with an array of sensors to measure various conditions. They might have been plastic containers filled with water, I don’t know for sure, I wasn’t involved in that exact part of it. But, I do know about the sensors and the data they were collecting. My original point was that they aren’t testing new scenarios on the guests that are riding M:S now. That work was completed long ago and won’t change without additional extensive testing.
Centrifugeer
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Now this I agree with.
There were numerous strain gauges placed on the initial test capsule and centrifuge arms, loads of data collected, and massive amounts of calculations done on those data points. The concern was not with the stresses placed on the human body - since that data is already a known entity and there's no reason to reinvent the wheel - but to ensure that the capsule components and/or centrifuge arms would not break apart during operation, to ensure that stresses put on those components were within acceptable safety levels, and to get an idea of component reliability. Stresses on the human body is not something new to Disney. The stresses places on centrifuge arms and capsule structure were. There were a lot of unknowns since there were some new engineering techniques used by the Imagineers, particularly the composite capsule structure.
Now this I agree with.
There were numerous strain gauges placed on the initial test capsule and centrifuge arms, loads of data collected, and massive amounts of calculations done on those data points. The concern was not with the stresses placed on the human body - since that data is already a known entity and there's no reason to reinvent the wheel - but to ensure that the capsule components and/or centrifuge arms would not break apart during operation, to ensure that stresses put on those components were within acceptable safety levels, and to get an idea of component reliability. Stresses on the human body is not something new to Disney. The stresses places on centrifuge arms and capsule structure were. There were a lot of unknowns since there were some new engineering techniques used by the Imagineers, particularly the composite capsule structure.
Bagheera
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Cool! See? Once there is clarification, it turns out that the positions stated are not at odds after all! Thanks to both of you for clarifying what you were saying. I think that all of the information is fascinating.
Dalton, I did not mean to impugn you personally, but it's not uncommon for people to post stuff here as if it were fact when they have no actual knowledge. Since I was unaware of your background while knowing the background of Centrifugeer and Corrus (or, at least knowing enough...) I just wanted to voice my support for them in the conflict of opinions unless you were able to provide information confirming your statements, as many people do here on the boards.
Thanks again for sharing. I love learning new things about the World.
Dalton, I did not mean to impugn you personally, but it's not uncommon for people to post stuff here as if it were fact when they have no actual knowledge. Since I was unaware of your background while knowing the background of Centrifugeer and Corrus (or, at least knowing enough...) I just wanted to voice my support for them in the conflict of opinions unless you were able to provide information confirming your statements, as many people do here on the boards.
Thanks again for sharing. I love learning new things about the World.
Mikejakester
Active Member
Your so Right. ... It's so funny when your reading this things... I start thinking "where do this people get this info? Who cares where the controls are? Who tested the ride? what metal they used!? lol :lol: It's funny how SOME people try to explain things they abosolutly have no knowlege of. ( Im not pointing fingers nor mention any names so don't take this personal. Notice I said SOME not all)but this isin't the worse one. I have seen worse in other threads. And the funny thing is they sound so confident on the stuff they are talking about and usually everything they say some how violates some laws of physics...
:hurl:
:lol:
In conclusion :hammer: If you have no idea of what your talking about note some where " Im not sure" or "rumor" or something! :hammer:
If you give out false info in a seroius confident way, it's going to backfire. and who pays? US... the ones who have to read the little discussion on the boards...
:lol: :king:
Mikejakester
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wow so quiet :lookaroun
miamimickey72
New Member
4th of july: questions
Well I was at Epcot this past Friday (4th of July) and when I got off the ride...I was aked if I enjoyed it. I also was asked if it was to fast for me or not. I told them it was a cool ride and that you feel like your really flying...but that i would like it more if it would spin a little more....to make the g-force really be felt on the body.
Well see.
Over all...a GREAT RIDE!!!
:sohappy:
Well I was at Epcot this past Friday (4th of July) and when I got off the ride...I was aked if I enjoyed it. I also was asked if it was to fast for me or not. I told them it was a cool ride and that you feel like your really flying...but that i would like it more if it would spin a little more....to make the g-force really be felt on the body.
Well see.
Over all...a GREAT RIDE!!!
:sohappy:
Centrifugeer
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I'm not assuming you are talking about me, but just in case you are I will tell you that I speak confidently and matter of factly about what I post because I know the information first hand. When I do speculate on future actions I make it clear that it is speculation. Generally I even err on the side of caution, just to be safe and to avoid possibly disappointing anyone.
The information I provide are things I have seen with my own eyes and have heard direct from sources involved in M: S with my own ears. If you believe what I post somehow violates the laws of physics, feel to question it and I'll provide what clarification I can.
Also, most of the information posted by others in here concerning technical/engineering information is usually spot on or close enough that it's not worth quibbling about. Occasionally there's some bad info, but more often than not it's very obvious that it's bad info which makes it rather easy to separate the wheat from the chaff. This is the internet. You can expect the occasional faux pas.