I pose a question to all browsers. At WDW MK the FP at Jungle Cruise and Haunted Mansion allow you to obtain another FP in 5 mins. Is there another glitch in the system at any other park?
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Disney2002
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Can anyone else confirm this?
It wouldn't really make sense, because the whole system has to be tied to a central location to monitor your particular card action... hmm
iluvstitch
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Who in the world would get a fastpass for both of those attractions anyways? :lol: On my trip this past July, most rides had over an hour wait and HM and Jungle Cruise were the only rides that were practically walk-ons. -Steph
I am not saying ride the ride if you have the FP. But use them like a hand of poker. Continue to add to the winning hand of Fp's. Use them to get FP's for Splash Mtn, Thunder Mtn, and so on...
"Not all treasure is silver and gold Mate"- Captn. Jack Sparrow
"Not all treasure is silver and gold Mate"- Captn. Jack Sparrow
Disney2002
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And open market capitalism takes hold of the Fastpass market!
How could Disney be dumb enough to not have a centrally located Fast Pass management system? And based on what I've read about Disney's extensive guest tracking, I'd think they would like, for data purposes, to have all that info eventually end up at some central location... why not have the actual function network be that central system.
This is a goldmine for those who use it. Lets not criticize, but enjoy. Ya?
Disney2002
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Actually, I'd personally prefer to see the fastpass system be tamper-proof. It is constructed and gauged in such a way as to optimally deal with the flow of guests. Queue theory is actually a very complex, very beneficial area of study, at which Disney excels. If the system is cheated by more and more people, the structure behind it begins to collapse, and consequentially, so do the benefits.
Timekeeper
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Theory
"Queue theory?" Isn't FastPass efficiency (or lack thereof) subject to the CM stationed at the point where the Standby and FastPass lines meet before boarding the attraction?
Even "if" there was a particular formula by which the CM allows guests onto the attraction from between the two lines, that would be subject to human error.
I've heard CM's talk about their own "FastPass technique" - meaning a personal method by which they feel guest wait time (for both lines) is most efficient. One person's technique may make standby wait times longer than another person's.
If "queue theory" is so complex, then why is my wait time (for both standby and FastPass) longer than indicated at attraction entrance at least 80% of the time? I understand that there can be "some" deviation from the wait time, but if the sign says 20 min, and I'm in line for 45 min, I'm gonna get a little ticked.
Timekeeper
"Queue theory?" Isn't FastPass efficiency (or lack thereof) subject to the CM stationed at the point where the Standby and FastPass lines meet before boarding the attraction?
Even "if" there was a particular formula by which the CM allows guests onto the attraction from between the two lines, that would be subject to human error.
I've heard CM's talk about their own "FastPass technique" - meaning a personal method by which they feel guest wait time (for both lines) is most efficient. One person's technique may make standby wait times longer than another person's.
If "queue theory" is so complex, then why is my wait time (for both standby and FastPass) longer than indicated at attraction entrance at least 80% of the time? I understand that there can be "some" deviation from the wait time, but if the sign says 20 min, and I'm in line for 45 min, I'm gonna get a little ticked.
Timekeeper
WDW is not perfect, neither are the CM's but TK is right. I have seen the CM's make people wait longer than others in the FP lane. The fact that the FP system being foolproof is not. There is allways a exception to the rule (English101) and we have stumbled upon it. People abusing it? Maybe, but apparently not enough people know, they are NOT abusing it, or Disney knows but doesn't care. You be the judge. I personally plan to use it wisely.
Nansafan
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Re: Theory
Since the advent of FP, posted wait times are anything but accurate. Pre-fast pass, you could believe them but now we don't even look at them. If the queue is a FP and stand-by combination line, then we know we're waiting at least an hour. That's why we play "the waiting in line game." Also known as "I've got a place". This 20 questions type game involving locations at WDW makes waiting go much quicker.
Since the advent of FP, posted wait times are anything but accurate. Pre-fast pass, you could believe them but now we don't even look at them. If the queue is a FP and stand-by combination line, then we know we're waiting at least an hour. That's why we play "the waiting in line game." Also known as "I've got a place". This 20 questions type game involving locations at WDW makes waiting go much quicker.
Disney2002
New Member
Re: Re: Theory
See, I've found the posted times to always be much longer than the actual wait.
As for doubts on queue theory, check it out on line.
Also, to a google search for news articles about WDW being the consultant for airports post 9-11 because of their recognize line flow knowledge.
See, I've found the posted times to always be much longer than the actual wait.
As for doubts on queue theory, check it out on line.
Also, to a google search for news articles about WDW being the consultant for airports post 9-11 because of their recognize line flow knowledge.
Someone told me that there are two main FP computer monitors on each end of the park. Perhaps they overlap providing our FP loophole.
Disney2002
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Perhaps. Fortunately, I think the MK is the least fastpass needed park. Splash MT is the only place I've ever used it... while MGM has me Fastpassing like mad.
Yeah, however MK averages a whopping 40,548 people a DAY. 14.8 Mil a year. The ETPF (ETernal FastPass) as I call it, will save time for families, and people who know how to work the system. Going to WDW is like taking a college coarse. After so many hours, you are a certified Major. Those who spend "fieldtime", or do research, will be prepared for what is to come. And avoid it.
You can read all the previous conversations. But the trick here is the glitch. If you want to test the theory, send me a e-mail at Starsplice@Hotmail.com (DJ name) and tell me if it worked. The way for pppapazo to work is that.
1- the FP's allow you to obtain another FP in 5 min.
2- Go to Jungle Cruise, get FP, go to HM, get FP.
3- Now you have 2 FP.
4 -Wait for JC FP time to come.
5 -get another FP ( I recommend SP MTN)
6- Wait for HM time to roll around, get FP (I recommend Big Thunder Mountain)
7- If timed right you have 4 FP's and the SP MTN time is about to roll around.(All this works early when the park opens. A little sprinting never hurt anyone)
8- Now your SP MTN FP is valid, get another FP (I Rec. Winnie the Pooh, or Peter Pan)
9- Now the BT MTN FP time has rolled around, get another FP( Peter pan, or WTP)
10. Now the rest is up to you. Just remember how many FP's you have. (6) and keep using the system to aviod lines
1- the FP's allow you to obtain another FP in 5 min.
2- Go to Jungle Cruise, get FP, go to HM, get FP.
3- Now you have 2 FP.
4 -Wait for JC FP time to come.
5 -get another FP ( I recommend SP MTN)
6- Wait for HM time to roll around, get FP (I recommend Big Thunder Mountain)
7- If timed right you have 4 FP's and the SP MTN time is about to roll around.(All this works early when the park opens. A little sprinting never hurt anyone)
8- Now your SP MTN FP is valid, get another FP (I Rec. Winnie the Pooh, or Peter Pan)
9- Now the BT MTN FP time has rolled around, get another FP( Peter pan, or WTP)
10. Now the rest is up to you. Just remember how many FP's you have. (6) and keep using the system to aviod lines
se8472
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I am not sure how it works...But I was able to do the same thing 2 days ago... Mansion just seems to be having problems that they do know about and I am sure are working on 
In terms of how CM us ethe FP ratio...it really does depend on that CM. Since I know that when that FP line starts to back up you have got to start making people in stand-by wait longer...its just how the world works and there really is nothing that can be done about it
In terms of how CM us ethe FP ratio...it really does depend on that CM. Since I know that when that FP line starts to back up you have got to start making people in stand-by wait longer...its just how the world works and there really is nothing that can be done about it
See, Jack is back, the ETFP System does indeed work. Give some feedbak...
I couldn't drag my family around the parks fast enough to do it. 
I know how to get a FP without using your card, and I know it works, since I saw a CM do it.
Can I do it all the time? No way, not a chance. I usually do it on slow days to get a FP for souvenir purposes, since we tend to use our FastPasses. For some odd reason, I like collecting the silly things. 
I know how to get a FP without using your card, and I know it works, since I saw a CM do it.
Can I do it all the time? No way, not a chance. I usually do it on slow days to get a FP for souvenir purposes, since we tend to use our FastPasses. For some odd reason, I like collecting the silly things.