Lightning Lane Premier Pass

[Chi84]

You hit the draw right there. It’s vanity…

I might be getting confused, so I’ll ask to be fair:

You’re very anti line. Got it. Not reallly a controversy there.
But didn’t you also want open DAS combined with paid fastpass available? I might he getting you confused with someone else…

It’s not vanity. It’s just buying an available product without any moral implications.

Did Disney allow the poster to buy a line skip in addition to DAS? If it did then I don’t see a problem. If there is one, it’s with Disney - not someone buying what is offered.

 

[Splash4eva]

You hit the draw right there. It’s vanity…

I might be getting confused, so I’ll ask to be fair:

You’re very anti line. Got it. Not reallly a controversy there.
But didn’t you also want open DAS combined with paid fastpass available? I might be getting you confused with someone else…

Its not that i “wanted” it. It was offered and allowed and was told to me by cast members how to use it. Actually if you go back. I suggested limiting the amount of times a DAS user can ride something via DAS. Even suggested that there should a time restraint as well. Because i was able to utilize the system to its fullest. I even said the 2 free ones they gave before walking in park was not needed…. So i didnt want it. It was allowed so i used it. I have no issue tho allowing someone to have DAS and purchase a product because as im sure you are aware ho DAS works. It is NOT a skip the line system whenever you want. When i suggested caps on DAS or having to wait X amount of time before being able to use it for that ride again i was met with backlash from plenty saying i was not being compassionate to others… hopefully that answers your question. DAS served its purpose for those who need it but it also had ways to maximize it as well just like any system does.

To add another note. People who used DAS were accused of lying so they didn't need to pay. I chose to pay and got heat from people like you about doing son cant win no matter what… see the theme yet?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Its not that i “wanted” it. It was offered and allowed and was told to me by cast members how to use it. Actually if you go back. I suggested limiting the amount of times a DAS user can ride something via DAS. Even suggested that there should a time restraint as well. Because i was able to utilize the system to its fullest. I even said the 2 free ones they gave before walking in park was not needed…. So i didnt want it. It was allowed so i used it. I have no issue tho allowing someone to have DAS and purchase a product because as im sure you are aware ho DAS works. It is NOT a skip the line system whenever you want. When i suggested caps on DAS or having to wait X amount of time before being able to use it for that ride again i was met with backlash from plenty saying i was not being compassionate to others… hopefully that answers your question. DAS served its purpose for those who need it but it also had ways to maximize it as well just like any system does.

Oh…ok

There was a big reason there why DAS is gone…

The employees giving bad advice was a huge part of it…along with travel agents and the twittosphere.

It spread like fire how you could double up in this fashion. Abuse central ( not you…but many did and there’s no excuse) . Because the seat numbers couldn’t support it. Same as fastpass+…which died.

And that’s not even getting into disruption to their no cost gravy train system.

So it’s a lesson: believing line skips aren’t a potential problem and “don’t affect anyone else” is truly a fairy tale in the magic kingdom.

If they had managed Orlando well this century? Maybe not…

But it didn’t Happen…and the model is what it is. It’s not “luxury” or pampered service. Unless of course you hire your private chef to cook for you in Anaheim…then it’s legit.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Not saying it always does but saying wealthy people who can afford a product that actually serves a purpose are dumb to me is one of the dumbest takes in this site and thats saying a mouthful.

I am a little surprised that people are still debating the value of PP. Surely, you've both made your opinions known to each other by now, yes?



Factually, this is the current waits posted in Epcot, at 1pm on the day FEA reopened
Pixar - always walk-on
FEA - 50
GoG - 65
Figment - 10 - avail
LwtL - down, but normally 5-10min, normally avail
M:S - 15 - avail
Rat - 50
Nemo 25- avail
Soar- 40- avail
SE - 5 - avail-
TT - down, normally about 75
TTalk- walk-on

If someone buys LLMP, they get 1 tier 1, and 2 tier 2s as prebooks. So if they chose the rides w lowest wait they'd have Rat, plus LwtL and Figment.

If they bought PP, they would have paid $244, instead of $24.50 +$22.37 = $46.87.
Assuming they were only able to get 1 additional LL with LLMP,even though most of the above are currently available, and they did not arrive early or stay late when wait times dip, but somehow managed to ride everything during the mid-day peak:

They would have spent $197 to for effectively 2 useful LL: FEA (15 w LL vs. +35 without) and Soarin' (20min w LL vs. 40 without- currently avail). (Even with PP, TT isn't currently an option.)

That works out to almost $100 per useful LL, over LLMP+ILL's $9.40 per LL.

 

[Chi84]

I am a little surprised that people are still debating the value of PP. Surely, you've both made your opinions known to each other by now, yes?



Factually, this is the current waits posted in Epcot, at 1pm on the day FEA reopened
Pixar - always walk-on
FEA - 50
GoG - 65
Figment - 10 - avail
LwtL - down, but normally 5-10min, normally avail
M:S - 15 - avail
Rat - 50
Nemo 25- avail
Soar- 40- avail
SE - 5 - avail-
TT - down, normally about 75
TTalk- walk-on

If someone buys LLMP, they get 1 tier 1, and 2 tier 2s as prebooks. So if they chose the rides w lowest wait they'd have Rat, plus LwtL and Figment.

If they bought PP, they would have paid $244, instead of $24.50 +$22.37 = $46.87.
Assuming they were only able to get 1 additional LL with LLMP,even though most of the above are currently available, and they did not arrive early or stay late when wait times dip, but somehow managed to ride everything during the mid-day peak:

They would have spent $197 to for effectively 2 useful LL: FEA (15 w LL vs. +35 without) and Soarin' (20min w LL vs. 40 without- currently avail). (Even with PP, TT isn't currently an option.)

That works out to almost $100 per useful LL, over LLMP+ILL's $9.40 per LL.

What about MK? No one knows but my guess is LLPP is a much better deal at a park with more rides.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I am a little surprised that people are still debating the value of PP. Surely, you've both made your opinions known to each other by now, yes?



Factually, this is the current waits posted in Epcot, at 1pm on the day FEA reopened
Pixar - always walk-on
FEA - 50
GoG - 65
Figment - 10 - avail
LwtL - down, but normally 5-10min, normally avail
M:S - 15 - avail
Rat - 50
Nemo 25- avail
Soar- 40- avail
SE - 5 - avail-
TT - down, normally about 75
TTalk- walk-on

If someone buys LLMP, they get 1 tier 1, and 2 tier 2s as prebooks. So if they chose the rides w lowest wait they'd have Rat, plus LwtL and Figment.

If they bought PP, they would have paid $244, instead of $24.50 +$22.37 = $46.87.
Assuming they were only able to get 1 additional LL with LLMP,even though most of the above are currently available, and they did not arrive early or stay late when wait times dip, but somehow managed to ride everything during the mid-day peak:

They would have spent $197 to for effectively 2 useful LL: FEA (15 w LL vs. +35 without) and Soarin' (20min w LL vs. 40 without- currently avail). (Even with PP, TT isn't currently an option.)

That works out to almost $100 per useful LL, over LLMP+ILL's $9.40 per LL.

That’s a good breakdown. Let’s face it…it is vanity. It’s not “value” except between your ears. They’re not ride parks…that’s a piece but not the puzzle. So it’s a gross overpayment…that diminishes “value” proposition.

But opinions vary. Mine is known. I’ll head for the door

 

[Chi84]

That’s a good breakdown. Let’s face it…it is vanity. It’s not “value” except between your ears. They’re not ride parks…that’s a piece but not the puzzle. So it’s a gross overpayment…that diminishes “value” proposition.

But opinions vary. Mine is known. I’ll head for the door

It’s probably worth much more to infrequent or one-time visitors.

I don’t think it’s aimed at people who don’t care about hitting everything in one visit.

 

[Tigger&Pooh]

Ok…so what “most schools” In the northeast?

Public schools (and probably most private schools as well) in Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York City and at least the northeastern part of New York state. Vermont has break the following week. I believe all of these also have a week off sometime in April (not necessarily tied to Easter).

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Public schools (and probably most private schools as well) in Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York City and at least the northeastern part of New York state. Vermont has break the following week. I believe all of these also have a week off sometime in April (not necessarily tied to Easter).

So 6 weeks after the holidays and 6 weeks before spring break?

In that for skiiing?

Ya’ll don’t like summer, huh?

 

[Tha Realest]

Listen, some people like you have no lives and don't mind just waiting around aimlessly for no reason.

Or, many of us would like to raw dog the parks and just enjoy an attraction when we see fit, and not be slaves to our devices laden with Disney and Chinese spyware (We get why you have no problem with either of those things).

 

[Tigger&Pooh]

So 6 weeks after the holidays and 6 weeks before spring break?

In that for skiiing?

Ya’ll don’t like summer, huh?

The origin was preventing winter illnesses. Many schools would end up with so many kids (and teachers) out sick. School goes until mid- or late June depending on whether they start before or after Labor Day. "Summer" weather doesn't kick-in as early up here.

 

[Splash4eva]

Oh…ok

There was a big reason there why DAS is gone…

The employees giving bad advice was a huge part of it…along with travel agents and the twittosphere.

It spread like fire how you could double up in this fashion. Abuse central ( not you…but many did and there’s no excuse) . Because the seat numbers couldn’t support it. Same as fastpass+…which died.

And that’s not even getting into disruption to their no cost gravy train system.

So it’s a lesson: believing line skips aren’t a potential problem and “don’t affect anyone else” is truly a fairy tale in the magic kingdom.

If they had managed Orlando well this century? Maybe not…

But it didn’t Happen…and the model is what it is. It’s not “luxury” or pampered service. Unless of course you hire your private chef to cook for you in Anaheim…then it’s legit.

Again. DAS and Any paid skip version was easy to master and be able to do plenty with not much down time. I will be the 1st to admit that. Just a simple having rides booked on both “systems” while eating breakfast/lunch/dinner in the park. Waiting for a parade/fireworks to name a few but again. All within rules of the system. As someone who has been approved and used system before and after the new rules. The removal of 2 initial had to help and as i said no need for that at all… the 10 minute wait after tapping in also slowed down usage. Heck there were times you would go on a ride and have your next DAS waiting for you. Alternating from DAS to LL/Genie adding in rides with short wait times. It wasnt hard to navigate. Would you call that abusing the system? I wouldnt. What i will say tho is this. Being able to ride stuff like SDD or RISE or 7Ds or Tron or FoP etc 3-4 times throughout the day i agree is not a normal day for most in the parks. Is that abuse? No. Is it how DAS was intended. Probably not i agree there. But for example. A day at any park wher you were having Breakfast You had 2 pre booked rides a genie/ll a paid ILL and once you tap in another DAS. It wasnt that hard to have rides lined up add in the inventory drops that were welllll known and effective. It wasnt difficult. Heck even without DAS. Thats why i loved Genie literally would be able to get a full park done for most part w/o DAS.

 

[Splash4eva]

Or, many of us would like to raw dog the parks and just enjoy an attraction when we see fit, and not be slaves to our devices laden with Disney and Chinese spyware (We get why you have no problem with either of those things).

And thats what people are exactly doing when they pay for this premier LL service. Walking in. Riding what they want when they want and enjoying there day with Zero wait… hence why Disney is providing this service. VIP was too expensive for most this is basically the same at a PP cost as opposed to a huge cost that allowed more people which most parties didnt have

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

What about MK? No one knows but my guess is LLPP is a much better deal at a park with more rides.

There are more variables in MK, including more rides that don't have LL, but the price of LLPP is also much higher. I also skipped over AKL because LL includes multiple shows. It is easy to see the big shows without LL, so I've never used a LL for one of them. Does it get someone a slightly better seat?

[I did recently use a (throwaway) LL for the LM show in HS. It truly didn't do ANYthing. I arrived well ahead of the next show, and the holding pen was already full of people, and when the doors opened everyone entered in large herd.]

For 2/24 the cost of LLPP $425 w tax.
Rides like Barnstormer don't typically get long wait, but potentially on2/24 it might.
Generally worthwhile LL: HM (now:35,still avail for today), SW (30, avail), JC (45), Pooh (35), Pan (60), Potc (40, avail), 7D (60), SM (45, avail), Tiana (50), TRON (85).

On my recent visit, I waited 20ish for TRON, though it was posted at 30.

The following is according to notes:
With LLMP, I had HM, Pan, and Pooh as morning pre-books. i did not spend much time trying to modify. Rode SM walk-on at 9:15 - missed park opening. TRON 20min standby. Used LL for Pan. Rode Barnstormer on a whim (5min). Pooh LL. Dumbo- walk-on. Dumbo again. LM- posted 10, was about 5min wait. HM w LL. PotC w LL. Tiki. SW w LL. SM w LL. Pplmvr.
Food+ break 2:30pm-6:45pm.
Aladdin w LL. Pirates-walk-on, but walk-on. JC used LL, but walk-on. treehouse, which was a bit of a joke before checking in for B and B. BB 7:55-8:45. (check-in to departure)

The above is not my normal MK day, as I often skip Barnstormer and Dumbo. Since it was cold, Tiana was 5min standby all day! I also could have picked up more LL than I did.

With just LLMP, I used 8 LL, all the other LL attractions I rode were walk-on: SM, Barnstormer, Dumbo, Dumbo, LM, PotC. About the only ride where LLPP would have saved any time was 10minutes for TRON.

I could have bought the ILL for TRON for a lot less than the price of LLPP, and saved a whopping 10minutes! To be fair, if I had bought LLPP, I would have used it to go on 7D. I didn't bother though because on another MK day I rode 7D when posted wait time was 7minutes.! And I learned "7" is the lowest 7D ever gets, as a nod to the ride's name.

What didn't I ride where LLPP would have made a difference? Maybe 7D, posted about 45min mid-day. I could have easily gotten on Tiana's, with a LL, but it was too cold to bother, and a 5min standby all day. We went on all the other LL, with minimal effort, including a 4+ hour afternoon break, and leaving the park 15minutes before it closed. (I'd have gone on something else at 8:45, but my companions said it was too cold.)

LLMP was $400 that day. I paid $30. TRON ILL would have been $23, and 7D ILL would have been $14. LLMP did save me some time that day. Pan was posted 50, HM 35, PotC 25, SW 15, and SM was 35.

Truly, buying LLPP would have been throwing away $370 per person.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

Or, many of us would like to raw dog the parks and just enjoy an attraction when we see fit, and not be slaves to our devices laden with Disney and Chinese spyware (We get why you have no problem with either of those things).

See here's the best part, and the difference between us, well besides me having high disposable income, a job, and a life that has more to do than just wait in line.

I don't have any problem with you doing that. You get to do you. If you literally want to waste time simply standing around in line, you do it. If you think that 15 seconds it takes to open up the app and book a new LL is too hard for you, well that's great. If you are so useless to society that you can disappear for days at at time with no phone or contact, well....good i guess. Or, on a serious note, if you budget won't let you afford buying all the various line skips or tours, ect., then you do the park how you can to fit your budget.

However i won't. See the best part of the way WDW offers things is you get to choose what to buy, when to buy it. The offerings give people a choice, which is always preferable to less options, or standing around doing nothing.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The origin was preventing winter illnesses. Many schools would end up with so many kids (and teachers) out sick. School goes until mid- or late June depending on whether they start before or after Labor Day. "Summer" weather doesn't kick-in as early up here.

Gotcha…

…and I thought the people in New Jersey liked to waste time

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

. Riding what they want when they want and enjoying there day with Zero wait…

That's the ad, not reality.

Most of us are park veterans who know:
1. LLPP = still having to wait in the LL.

2. No LL re-rides, no matter how empty the park is.

3. LLPP doesn't work with park hopping, but LLMP does.

 

[Chi84]

That's the ad, not reality.

Most of us are park veterans who know:
1. LLPP = still having to wait in the LL.

2. No LL re-rides, no matter how empty the park is.

3. LLPP doesn't work with park hopping, but LLMP does.

LLMP and LLSP worked fine for us on our last visit. LLPP would be too expensive given the number of people in our group.

Then again FP+ worked fine for us too.

 

[DCBaker]

Lightning Lane Premier Pass is sold out at all parks on February 14 and 15:

See more upcoming availability and pricing at this link: https://www.wdwmagic.com/genieprice.htm

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Again. DAS and Any paid skip version was easy to master and be able to do plenty with not much down time. I will be the 1st to admit that. Just a simple having rides booked on both “systems” while eating breakfast/lunch/dinner in the park. Waiting for a parade/fireworks to name a few but again. All within rules of the system. As someone who has been approved and used system before and after the new rules. The removal of 2 initial had to help and as i said no need for that at all… the 10 minute wait after tapping in also slowed down usage. Heck there were times you would go on a ride and have your next DAS waiting for you. Alternating from DAS to LL/Genie adding in rides with short wait times. It wasnt hard to navigate. Would you call that abusing the system? I wouldnt. What i will say tho is this. Being able to ride stuff like SDD or RISE or 7Ds or Tron or FoP etc 3-4 times throughout the day i agree is not a normal day for most in the parks. Is that abuse? No. Is it how DAS was intended. Probably not i agree there. But for example. A day at any park wher you were having Breakfast You had 2 pre booked rides a genie/ll a paid ILL and once you tap in another DAS. It wasnt that hard to have rides lined up add in the inventory drops that were welllll known and effective. It wasnt difficult. Heck even without DAS. Thats why i loved Genie literally would be able to get a full park done for most part w/o DAS.

Woah woah…3-4 Times a day isn’t reasonable for about the last 20 years…because the crowd grew beyond the capacity. So that was not sustainable at all. That’s like an offseason day in 1997.

We don’t need to rehash the rest. Having a $25 skip and DAS on rotation wasn’t providing “accessibility”…it was and would still be gaming a system. Loophole or not…the net result is the same.