Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

gerarar

gerarar

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GhostHost1000 said:
It’s almost comical how Iger is getting so much praise online from this change like he had anything to do with it or even knows about it.
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Even just thinking from the software development side, if done the agile way (most likely), this was planned into Q4 work of this year, so this work was refined weeks and weeks ago.

Long before Iger came back. This is more on the POs and leads and managers that wanted this work done. G+ changes like this and others are probably sitting on the backlog right now waiting for them to be taken on eventually.
 
DCLcruiser

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gorillaball said:
And that will be true for maybe 3-4 days, when it will become increasingly not true until about 10 days from now when it will be a big issue. If you were to cancel (under existing system) in the 10 seconds until you booked something else it would be gone.
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Maybe. If that's the case, then just don't go then...
 
epcotWSC

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Here's how I'd make Genie+ work if I were in charge.
  1. Only works when you're in the park (no pre-opening sign ups)
  2. Only works in person. Meaning, like the old fast past system, you have to walk to the ride and scan your phone/band/whatever.
  3. When you scan at the ride, you're given an option of the first available return time and within an hour or two of that time. You pick one and go on your way. You'll immediately see it added to your plans on the WDW app.
  4. You can only queue for one free ride and one paid ride at a time. If you want to queue for some popular ride that's in the evening, then you're out of luck if you want more. Also, if Disney wants to get greedy, they can make you pay for each additional queue slot up to x amount.
  5. All rides, but the newest high tier rides are free
  6. Once you use your fast pass, you're eligible to get a new one.
Done.
 
G00fyDad

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epcotWSC said:
Here's how I'd make Genie+ work if I were in charge.
  1. Only works when you're in the park (no pre-opening sign ups)
  2. Only works in person. Meaning, like the old fast past system, you have to walk to the ride and scan your phone/band/whatever.
  3. When you scan at the ride, you're given an option of the first available return time and within an hour or two of that time. You pick one and go on your way. You'll immediately see it added to your plans on the WDW app.
  4. You can only queue for one free ride and one paid ride at a time. If you want to queue for some popular ride that's in the evening, then you're out of luck if you want more. Also, if Disney wants to get greedy, they can make you pay for each additional queue slot up to x amount.
  5. All rides, but the newest high tier rides are free
  6. Once you use your fast pass, you're eligible to get a new one.
Done.
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1. That would only work at DL.
2. Nope. That would be an absolute cluster(you know what). It was awful for the legacy FP and it would be worse now. Kids sprinting across the parks with 5-10 cell phones in ther hands trying to scan the family's phones for the FP. No thanks.
3. We would rather be able to choose. That is too much like Legacy FP.
4. Nope. Nuff said.
5. Isn't this the way it currently is set up?
6. Too constricting.
 
dmw

dmw

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epcotWSC said:
Here's how I'd make Genie+ work if I were in charge.
  1. Only works when you're in the park (no pre-opening sign ups)
  2. Only works in person. Meaning, like the old fast past system, you have to walk to the ride and scan your phone/band/whatever.
  3. When you scan at the ride, you're given an option of the first available return time and within an hour or two of that time. You pick one and go on your way. You'll immediately see it added to your plans on the WDW app.
  4. You can only queue for one free ride and one paid ride at a time. If you want to queue for some popular ride that's in the evening, then you're out of luck if you want more. Also, if Disney wants to get greedy, they can make you pay for each additional queue slot up to x amount.
  5. All rides, but the newest high tier rides are free
  6. Once you use your fast pass, you're eligible to get a new one.
Done.
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not a fan of your suggestion
 
epcotWSC

epcotWSC

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G00fyDad said:
1. That would only work at DL.
2. Nope. That would be an absolute cluster(you know what). It was awful for the legacy FP and it would be worse now. Kids sprinting across the parks with 5-10 cell phones in ther hands trying to scan the family's phones for the FP. No thanks.
3. We would rather be able to choose. That is too much like Legacy FP.
4. Nope. Nuff said.
5. Isn't this the way it currently is set up?
6. Too constricting.
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  1. Why? Used to work just fine at WDW
  2. I thought it was great. Yeah, it was easier scanning your family's tickets rather than a bunch of phones. However, park tickets or magic bands also would work. The whole idea is to get rid of the constant staring at phones and refreshing nonsense. Get people back into the real world.
  3. I don't mind the idea of choosing when you come back, however, it's not like you had much of a choice in the past either. You'd refresh and get different times all the time. Whatever works more efficiently is fine, however, in the past you'd know that as the queue built up, then you were getting towards the end of available fast passes.
  4. I don't want a monetary fast pass, but you're kidding yourself if you think it's going away. Too many people seem to think that Disney is going to get generous when they've been raising prices every year for over a decade and never have decreased.
  5. No, you get no free fast passes, you have to buy into the cheap tier and then pay even more for the premium rides.
  6. It's exactly how the old school one worked and helps prevent too much stacking and excessive standby lines.
 
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Andrew25

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A paid skip-the-line product isn't going away which is why they should go after the "all-inclusive" pricing model for it.

No manager/executive in their right mind would remove that revenue stream.
 
G00fyDad

G00fyDad

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epcotWSC said:
  1. Why? Used to work just fine at WDW
  2. I thought it was great. Yeah, it was easier scanning your family's tickets rather than a bunch of phones. However, park tickets or magic bands also would work. The whole idea is to get rid of the constant staring at phones and refreshing nonsense. Get people back into the real world.
  3. I don't mind the idea of choosing when you come back, however, it's not like you had much of a choice in the past either. You'd refresh and get different times all the time. Whatever works more efficiently is fine, however, in the past you'd know that as the queue built up, then you were getting towards the end of available fast passes.
  4. I don't want a monetary fast pass, but you're kidding yourself if you think it's going away. Too many people seem to think that Disney is going to get generous when they've been raising prices every year for over a decade and never have decreased.
  5. No, you get no free fast passes, you have to buy into the cheap tier and then pay even more for the premium rides.
  6. It's exactly how the old school one worked and helps prevent too much stacking and excessive standby lines.
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1. WDW is not a primarily "day-of" set of parks. They are a planned out vacation destination. Waiting until the day-of is not going to work for the majority of those that go. That is why.
2. Using multiple phones is not the only drawback here. I don't care if it is just a tricket you have to collect from everyone and scan. Having part of the party running all over creation is just stupid. AND it causes issues when that "runner" tries to catch up to their group in a line the group already got into. Too many issues here.
3. We'd still rather choose.
4. Never said it was going away. I just dismissed your solution. ;)
5. Fair enough. But as you said, it is not going to go back to "free". Not that is was actually "free" before.
6. Still, it is too constricting. We like to be able to stack (limited in a way) and you'll have excessive standby lines regardless of ANY choice they make. There just is not enough capacity to handle the crowds right now.
 
CaptainAmerica

CaptainAmerica

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epcotWSC said:
Only works in person. Meaning, like the old fast past system, you have to walk to the ride and scan your phone/band/whatever.
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Of all the iterations of FastPass, FastPass+, Genie+, and ILL, this was the worst feature to ever exist in any of them. Criss-crossing from Adventureland to Tomorrowland to Adventureland and back to Tomorrowland to get and eventually redeem a Space Mountain FastPass was miserable. More often than not, this resulted in each family having a designated "runner" who would grab everybody's ticket and run from machine to machine. Huge amounts of wasted steps for park traversal and splitting families up is a terrible system.
 
DCLcruiser

DCLcruiser

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CaptainAmerica said:
Of all the iterations of FastPass, FastPass+, Genie+, and ILL, this was the worst feature to ever exist in any of them. Criss-crossing from Adventureland to Tomorrowland to Adventureland and back to Tomorrowland to get and eventually redeem a Space Mountain FastPass was miserable. More often than not, this resulted in each family having a designated "runner" who would grab everybody's ticket and run from machine to machine. Huge amounts of wasted steps for park traversal and splitting families up is a terrible system.
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🙋🏼‍♂️ I was The Runner.
 
CaptainAmerica

CaptainAmerica

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DCLcruiser said:
🙋🏼‍♂️ I was The Runner.
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And there's a chocolate milk barf stain halfway between Kilimanjaro Safaris and Expedition Everest to prove it.
 
HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

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CaptainAmerica said:
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And there's a chocolate milk barf stain halfway between Kilimanjaro Safaris and Expedition Everest to prove it.
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Stick with Diet Coke, it doesn't stain when it comes back up. 😁 I was the runner, and I never got tired of it because it was a great way to be able to knife through the crowds without needing to worry about your family catching up. Or it was a way to get more steps in an attempt to burn through the calories consumed on vacation.

FP was great... when you happened to find a machine that was left in "free" mode. :D "Oops, I accidentally pressed that button 6 times, darn it..."
 
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TQQQ

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epcotWSC said:
Here's how I'd make Genie+ work if I were in charge.
  1. Only works when you're in the park (no pre-opening sign ups)
  2. Only works in person. Meaning, like the old fast past system, you have to walk to the ride and scan your phone/band/whatever.
  3. When you scan at the ride, you're given an option of the first available return time and within an hour or two of that time. You pick one and go on your way. You'll immediately see it added to your plans on the WDW app.
  4. You can only queue for one free ride and one paid ride at a time. If you want to queue for some popular ride that's in the evening, then you're out of luck if you want more. Also, if Disney wants to get greedy, they can make you pay for each additional queue slot up to x amount.
  5. All rides, but the newest high tier rides are free
  6. Once you use your fast pass, you're eligible to get a new one.
Done.
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all terrible ideas.......
 
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TQQQ

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Friends will be in orlando for basketball tourney 12/27-1/1.......I'm the go to Disney expert and they've never been.........Asked what they should do if wanted to go to parks for 2 days and i set them up 1 night in Hard rock Universal.........2 free days express pass for staying 1 night in Hard Rock is a MASSIVE perk compared to Disney and during that week the express pass is worth its weight in gold............Genie blows and it cost Disney that customer as they are booked for Universal
 
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Purduevian

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TQQQ said:
Friends will be in orlando for basketball tourney 12/27-1/1.......I'm the go to Disney expert and they've never been.........Asked what they should do if wanted to go to parks for 2 days and i set them up 1 night in Hard rock Universal.........2 free days express pass for staying 1 night in Hard Rock is a MASSIVE perk compared to Disney and during that week the express pass is worth its weight in gold............Genie blows and it cost Disney that customer as they are booked for Universal
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USO's express pass for deluxe resort guests is probably one of the best deals in Orlando. I suspect the contract between USO and Loews (that gives the express pass) is actually an old deal that is a slight regret from USO as they loose a lot of potential revenue.
The first 3 USO hotels were
1999 was Portofino Bay
2001 was Hard Rock
2002 was Royal Pacific

Since then no new resort has offered this same perk. I assume a similar thing is actually happening at the Swalphin at WDW. I'm guessing there is some old deal with Marriott where they get all the in theme park perks as a Disney resort (thus giving them access to Deluxe Hours) while other 3rd party hotels on property like the Good Neighbor/ Springs hotels only get the early ILL and early Magic hours. I doubt Marriott is paying for this perk because they recently cut their expenses by no longer use official Disney buses and the busses don't even get dropped off at official Disney bus stops anymore (have to go to the TTC).
 
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SingleRider

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Purduevian said:
USO's express pass for deluxe resort guests is probably one of the best deals in Orlando. I suspect the contract between USO and Loews (that gives the express pass) is actually an old deal that is a slight regret from USO as they loose a lot of potential revenue.
The first 3 USO hotels were
1999 was Portofino Bay
2001 was Hard Rock
2002 was Royal Pacific

Since then no new resort has offered this same perk. I assume a similar thing is actually happening at the Swalphin at WDW. I'm guessing there is some old deal with Marriott where they get all the in theme park perks as a Disney resort (thus giving them access to Deluxe Hours) while other 3rd party hotels on property like the Good Neighbor/ Springs hotels only get the early ILL and early Magic hours. I doubt Marriott is paying for this perk because they recently cut their expenses by no longer use official Disney buses and the busses don't even get dropped off at official Disney bus stops anymore (have to go to the TTC).
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Springs hotels don’t get early ILL privileges - only early entry and park reservations for length of stay if you are an AP.
 

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