Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Yeah…can’t argue
It looks terrible and they have a different market…but still can’t argue.
Someone has to say no. Nothing will change
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Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World
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It looks terrible and they have a different market…but still can’t argue.
Someone has to say no. Nothing will change
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
O/U 18 months
Chip Chipperson
Well-Known Member
The daily price changes are only a barrier to pre-booking IF the price fluctuations are based on anything other than "weekends and holidays cost more." I don't think they will be based on anything other than that, though, because that seems to be what they landed on for the ILL charges and is the simplest solution for them. So if they know that Christmas week is going to be $22 instead of $15, then they could easily collect your $22 per person per day in advance (just like they're doing on the other coast despite their new variable pricing model). It would be a nice benefit for resort guests to be able to book even just 1 ride per day ahead of their stay, but they obviously don't want to do that and have their reasons for it (be it the cost of updating the system to allow it, the desire to control behavior while in the parks, or just because they know they don't have to because people are buying it regardless).
Disney Dad 3000
Well-Known Member
Obviously I don't like paying for this nonsense, but it is what it is. It is beyond laughable though that they charge what the do for Rise, are raising the price on it, and how often is it actually working 100% or close to it (effects, Kylo, etc.). I think I'm 1 for 8 or something.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The pre booking is what totally screwed up their capacity (along with no investment)…
They are not doing prebooks. No one is booking a ride months out. Again.
The problem is “negative capacity”. It’s math and very real.
So I have to post the video again? Defunct land?
It’s 100% real and explains why fastpass works and why plus did NOT.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
DCLcruiser
Well-Known Member
Wait, did something change about G+ LL at 7AM? I literally have to be on site now?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
No…
What I’m saying is you get one pick at 7 am and then you’re in the park for the rest. If you pay more you can buy one ride later as it stands.
My point is that there aren’t thousands of hours - literally - in advance where people can overload the ride system from home…and then screw it up when they do get there.
That was fastpass+ - in essence
Sorry, didn’t mean to scare you
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
There’s no lower
That’s the base.
Slaphead said “introductory” price again and again for a year…nobody really wanted to pay it much mind though
It will go up annually and probably higher variables
crazy4disney
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
Again the ONLY solution to this problem is MORE capacity. Its literally that simple everything else is smoke and mirrors and nothing more than a shell game for 10+ months of the year.
G00fyDad
Well-Known Member
I present to you... the new Disney businesss model.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
I know you know this, but it's a short-term/long-term problem.
Everything you say above is the short-term problem in a nutshell.
There are two ways to grow revenue... rate and volume. Volume can only be solved in the long-term with investment in new capacity. They're not stupid, they know this. But they have PTSD from 9/11 and COVID, plus forward-looking fear about the upcoming economic implosion, and they're not willing to invest what they need to invest.
If interest rates were still near zero and/or the economy was booming (and expected to continue booming), I think the "beyond Big Thunder Mountain" and Animal Kingdom projects teased at D23 would have been greenlit by now. But they're too afraid of the coming climate and aren't willing to spend to address the long-term.
Their thinking is: If everything goes to hell and demand falls off a cliff, they can curb price increases and even introduce price reductions in the form of targeted discounts. But they can't un-spend CapEx, and they can't un-build attractions.
So we're in this Red Queen situation where we never reach the long-term because we're stuck on the treadmill just keep trying to patch the short-term as it comes.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Even if they started today it’ll take 3+ years and half the time they just replace existing attractions. They don’t get it and as much as I’m not a fan of Chapek’s this didn’t start with him
Epic Universe a completely new theme park will be open in less time than it took to build Tron which was a cookie cutter from an existing Disney park
crazy4disney
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
& honestly it doesnt matter what they charge because if it is too high than stand by becomes a bigger nightmare than it already is & less people are "happy" feeling genie+ was worth it
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
See my post immediately preceding this one.
They do get it. If demand were expected to stay where it is or increase, they'd be building now for 3 years from now. But I think they think that demand 3 years from now will be in the toilet. You don't build for what you think demand IS, you build for what you think demand WILL BE.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
If they really think demand will be in the toilet in 3 years, they are doing everything they can to be sure they hit that assumption.
They've been raising ticket prices every year. They just don't want you to notice by keeping the same "starting at" price of $109. Using that logic, they haven't raised the price of Genie+ either - still "starting at" $15
Of course, in practice, the price of your vacation (tickets and Genie+, included) will go up because of the date based pricing