Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
You can blame the customers all you want. I get it; it's comforting to think that if people would just do a, b or c, Disney would be brought to its knees and forced to change. And theoretically, that would work.

The problem is in practice. People who love WDW with a passion and give it a central place in their world make up a minuscule part of the total number of people who visit each year. Most people who go there just want to have a good time and a good portion of them are willing to spend what it takes and work with whatever system Disney puts in place. If it's no longer fun, they won't go back and they'll tell others to stay away. These guests, who comprise an overwhelming majority, don't know what went wrong and therefore don't take any responsibility for it or feel that it's their obligation to change it.

Disney chose the trajectory it's currently on, and Disney is the only entity that can effectively change it. Absent some type of well-organized economic boycott of Disney (unlikely), the only thing that will change Disney is enough people deciding that it's not worth it. I hold out very little hope of that happening anytime soon. A handful of people denying themselves on their WDW vacation sure isn't going to do it.

The best we can hope for is that the guests experiencing what's going on now contact Disney and tell them what they don't like. A free system that doesn't deliver is one thing; a paid system that sucks is an entirely different animal.

This is the sad reality of modern day Disney, they feel they have an endless supply of new guests so why worry about alienating return guests who spend less per day on average?

I suspect they will see packed parks for the next 2-3 years regardless of how bad the policies and prices get, eventually the Covid demand will dry up though and then they’re going to wish they hadn’t lost so many loyal return guests who provided the parks stable income.
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
In exchange for huge increase in tickets, a paid line service the rest of the day, doubling and/or suspension of annual passes…and you still need a really overpriced room or high timeshare cost to qualify for the 1-2 ride…providing no one has to pee.

Fair trade off, no?
It’s better then the old morning EMH situation, which is what I was comparing it to. Expanding the new EMH to be the blame for all those other things is a bit much.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It’s better then the old morning EMH situation, which is what I was comparing it to. Expanding the new EMH to be the blame for all those other things is a bit much.
It was the tiny carrot

What’s your take on that?


And besides…what do you mean by “everytime”?? It’s been in place for like 4 months and Wisconsin isn’t exactly around the corner…
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
It was the tiny carrot

What’s your take on that?


And besides…what do you mean by “everytime”?? It’s been in place for like 4 months and Wisconsin isn’t exactly around the corner…
It’s been in place for 6 months. I live in WI and have an AP guess what part of the year I cluster my trips (hint I don’t pine for HHH Florida summer weather.)
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It’s been in place for 6 months. I live in WI and have an AP guess what part of the year I cluster my trips (hint I don’t pine for HHH Florida summer weather.)
Understood.

How many times? What level of psychotic obsession…errr…”magical travel” are we talking about?

I think it went live end of September, right?
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
Understood.

How many times? What level of psychotic obsession…errr…”magical travel” are we talking about?

I think it went live end of September, right?
I go 5 times when I get an AP, Oct, Dec, Jan/Feb, May, Sept/Oct then don’t go for two years (as I go to Universal or DLR instead.) However, I have far more vacation time then most and where I get an AP is not my most frequent destination let alone a majority of my travel during that year (it’s about 20%.). And yes I love my work schedule and am very fortunate to be able to travel as much as I do.
 

Artemicon

Member
Depending on the park, offsite guests may be able to get into the park early. But they will not be able to ride anything during the onsite early entry period. Usually they’ll be held somewhere in the park, like at the Hub in MK. If they can get to a ride they will not get onto the ride itself.
Oh, interesting. Sorry I'm ignorant to this, as I haven't been to the parks since this was introduced. How do they sort on-site from off-site? Do you have to scan a card/band to get onto the ride so they can verify an active on-site reservation?
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
Nothing is inaccurate.

The problem is the customers. There are people on the threads right now making excuses for these blatant cuts/cash grabs…and they exploited a viral outbreak and at one point laid off 3/4 of their employees to do it.

All so they get a week every year…or every 3 to gin up in their minds. How bad must home suck? …Is the thought I can’t shake.

It’s not even leisure anymore…there’s too much stress and the prices are thrust into your face at all time. Relentless assault for Wall Street.
Unless I missed something, you’re still a customer yourself, aren’t you?
 

casplas

Member
I personally don't like this new move as a resort guest who was willing to pay for the 2 lightening lanes with Genie Plus. I've got such low expectations for my trip coming up in May. There is no point in staying on site at the moment and this will be my last year on site. Coming from the UK going to Disney World is a huge deal, something you look forward to all year if not more. Friends who also usually stay on site are now staying in villas or universal instead. Think we'll end up spending the holiday around the pool at this rate.
with no magical express for those like you, how do you get to the parks? another grand for a rental car at mco? and, my last 2 trips as a dvc member have strictly been spent at the pool or on a golf course. next one in june we are probably going to universal. no longer will i pay for the high prices to get into the theme parks and then pay more just to get some of the good rides. i am old enough to remember the a through e tickets. spent all the e tickets on space mountain but that was back in the 70's. instead of this genie plus and lightning lane, they could have just gone back to that. in the end, it would have been cheaper. i will miss relaxing at epcot and the kilimanjaro safari though.
 

casplas

Member
Unless I missed something, you’re still a customer yourself, aren’t you?
yes, we are. but we get a one bedroom dvc and cook in. we lounge by the pool and take a relaxing florida vacation usually in december to celebrate our anniversary and usuallly two other trips thoughout the year on months we have not been on before. with our annual pass, there was many times we would park hop all four parks in the same day. of course, good luck with that anymore. the promises made when we bought dvc are no longer the case. so we prefer not to add to bob the beancounters expanding profits. fortunately we have been dvc members long enough we can say "been there, done that". and also fortunately the dvc resale rates are enough to recoup our original expenditure on dvc. for now.
 

dreday3

Well-Known Member
This is the sad reality of modern day Disney, they feel they have an endless supply of new guests so why worry about alienating return guests who spend less per day on average?

I suspect they will see packed parks for the next 2-3 years regardless of how bad the policies and prices get, eventually the Covid demand will dry up though and then they’re going to wish they hadn’t lost so many loyal return guests who provided the parks stable income.

Yes. Time is running out.

I get ridiculed a lot on here for still being positive about Disney. It's not that I like price increases, Genie +, cuts to entertainment, but all I say is I haven't yet reached my breaking point.

There are fans of Disney who are fans of the past glory, the Imagineers, the way the parks used to be and I get it that. I love that too.

But then there are fans like me where nostalgia is such a stronghold...my love of Disney is rooted in memories of staying with my family at Contemporary and then Polynesian when they were the only hotels open. Riding If You Had Wings with my dad over and over and being there for Epcot opening and then for Horizons thinking the future was going to be amaaazing! :D My guy grew up at Disneyland with his mom. Our first trip together to WDW was in 2000 where we saw Illuminations and Tapestry of Nations during their inaugural year.
That's something I can't let go of. We still go back because it reminds me of those times, of my dad and it just still makes me happy. It's still worth it to me and it's kind of annoying when people keep implying that I'm some kind of idiot, apologist, what not because I still find it worth going.
When we no longer find it worth it, we won't go. I think fans that fall into my category are becoming extinct and when we are gone, not sure what will be left.

So that's where I agree, the current direction the company is headed isn't going to inspire the feelings in new customers that Disney once did in me. :)

(whew, that was some weird tangent, apologies)
 
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nickys

Premium Member
with no magical express for those like you, how do you get to the parks?
I haven’t been since Magical Express ceased, and I will miss it. However there are at least two companies running coach transfers, including Mears who operated DME. And also taxis, ride shares and private hire companies who can get us from MCO to the resorts.
 

pdude81

Well-Known Member
with no magical express for those like you, how do you get to the parks? another grand for a rental car at mco? and, my last 2 trips as a dvc member have strictly been spent at the pool or on a golf course. next one in june we are probably going to universal. no longer will i pay for the high prices to get into the theme parks and then pay more just to get some of the good rides. i am old enough to remember the a through e tickets. spent all the e tickets on space mountain but that was back in the 70's. instead of this genie plus and lightning lane, they could have just gone back to that. in the end, it would have been cheaper. i will miss relaxing at epcot and the kilimanjaro safari though.

Now you can have a great time at Universal, but you're saying that you're going to pay the money to get from the airport to Disney, and then pay more money to drive halfway back for Uni because you're mad that you had to pay for the first trip.
 

drizgirl

Well-Known Member
Now you can have a great time at Universal, but you're saying that you're going to pay the money to get from the airport to Disney, and then pay more money to drive halfway back for Uni because you're mad that you had to pay for the first trip.
I did just that and felt the same way about it as the prior poster. Once I had to start booking my own transportation, I said oh well, might as well go for it. And we did. And Disney lost a big chunk of our budget. We're AP holders at Universal now. Looking at our next annual trip (just inside the 1 year mark) being most USO with maybe 1 day in the MK. The balance keeps shifting.
 

NelsonRD

Well-Known Member
Sorry if this has been discussed, but I read conflicting details, of how this Genie works in practice.

If at 7am, I book attraction A for 11:30.
Then the park opens at 9am, I am eligible for a second selection 2 hours after park open.
At 11am I then book attraction B for 12:30pm.
At 11:30, redeem attraction A.
Still holding attraction B for 12:30.

Can I book attraction C after redeeming selection A at 11:30 or do I have to wait until I redeem attraction B?
 

pdude81

Well-Known Member
I did just that and felt the same way about it as the prior poster. Once I had to start booking my own transportation, I said oh well, might as well go for it. And we did. And Disney lost a big chunk of our budget. We're AP holders at Universal now. Looking at our next annual trip (just inside the 1 year mark) being most USO with maybe 1 day in the MK. The balance keeps shifting.
I don't discount that there is a big shift. Hell, I'm even a Uni passholder now and I hadn't been there for 20 years. However, I feel that cutting myself off from WDW would be cutting off my nose to spite my face. I'm one of those bad guys who is ok with the upcharges as long as I get what I want out of them.
 

pdude81

Well-Known Member
Sorry if this has been discussed, but I read conflicting details, of how this Genie works in practice.

If at 7am, I book attraction A for 11:30.
Then the park opens at 9am, I am eligible for a second selection 2 hours after park open.
At 11am I then book attraction B for 12:30pm.
At 11:30, redeem attraction A.
Still holding attraction B for 12:30.

Can I book attraction C after redeeming selection A at 11:30 or do I have to wait until I redeem attraction B?
In this hypothetical you're waiting for 12:30. It's in relation to the last one you booked.
 

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