ConfettiCupcake
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For the 4th reservation can‘t you pick the return time? Or is it next available time?
Oh duh, oops! I’m still in Genie mode apparently
For the 4th reservation can‘t you pick the return time? Or is it next available time?
Do we think the inventory and options will be there for resort guests or will that also be limited?They are trying to fill rooms with this new version. The value is for guests who book their resorts and get the 7 day advantage and piece of mind knowing they already have 3 to 5 rides booked each day of their trip.
It was super easy to get 6+ LLs. However I got in the buzz LL around 630pm one night and we started talking to the nice group in front of us. They saw people using the LL all day and decided to but it. It was their first LL of the day.
What someone could do, what people should do, and what people actually did are 3 different things. I'm assuming the group was probably not happy with their purchase.
I think most people got 3+ for sure
I think both of you are describing guest issues and not system ones. That is the type of stuff that happened under all the various system's they have used and will be the case with this one as well.1-2 worthwhile attractions though - meaning they’re saving time, I can definitely see that happening especially at certain parks. I think there are a lot of people who don’t understand that 7 am means 7:00:00 not 7:00:43 or 7:02:00, etc. Those people start the day already behind and possibly missed out on the biggest time saving LL. And that’s assuming they actually do follow the 7 am instruction to some degree. Then we have to assume these same people understood the system enough to either book as soon as they tapped in, or set alarms for their subsequent bookings.
I think both of you are describing guest issues and not system ones. That is the type of stuff that happened under all the various system's they have used and will be the case with this one as well.
False, they removed a bunch of capacity by taking away the M&G’s and ETwB, especially at Magic Kingdom.Capacity remained constant through this change.
That’s true but M&Gs have terrible put through and I’m sure that removal was a very small portion of the LL pool.False, they removed a bunch of capacity by taking away the M&G’s and ETwB, especially at Magic Kingdom.
As a family with young children, this is really aggravating. My girls love meeting the characters but I’m sure as hell not going to wait 30-45 minutes to do it.That’s true but M&Gs have terrible put through and I’m sure that removal was a very small portion of the LL pool.
That being said, it seems odd to have removed them entirely especially as an option for families with young children to book.
I’ve joked in the past that Disney should just go book to a ticket book but I think compared to the mess they’ve created now it may actually make sense.
$100 entry fee that includes A B C tickets and shows, D tickets are an extra $10 each, E tickets are $15-20 each.
A day with the train, tiki room, country bears, JC, PoTC ($10), HM ($10), BTM ($15), TBA ($15), IaSW, philharmagic, 7D ($10), Tron ($20), SM ($15), peoplemover… would be roughly equivalent to a current ticket price. If you want to be a power user and ride everything could add $100 to the total, if you just want a relaxing day in the parks it could cut $100 from the total. Everyone gets what they pay for though.
You want it to be more complicated?! What's wrong with you people?Keep the standby the same just for every single LL you pay at the moment to enter it, and the price is dependent on the wait time
25 mins? That is $5 ... 45? That will be $10, etc - just scan your MB to enter
So if you want to skip all the lines you can, but it'll cost you
and that’s how they get people to overpay for eating character mealsAs a family with young children, this is really aggravating. My girls love meeting the characters but I’m sure as hell not going to wait 30-45 minutes to do it.
Remains to be seen. Would seem to defeat the purpose if they don‘t.Do we think the inventory and options will be there for resort guests or will that also be limited?
That’s true but M&Gs have terrible put through and I’m sure that removal was a very small portion of the LL pool.
That being said, it seems odd to have removed them entirely especially as an option for families with young children to book.
I think this is probably one of the main reasons for excluding. One thing they could do for certain meet and greets is have 2 separate lines with 2 separate characters but they can only do that where they can hide it. Can’t have 2 Mickey Mouses (Mickey Mice???) standing next to each other but if they are in different rooms….no problem. The cost is pretty negligible. Just add a few extra CMs and you can double capacity.Hopefully it means the standby lines for them at least move steadily now. I believe that was a big complaint they were getting that the standby lines barely moved as they had to accommodate the LL people and they have such low hourly capacity.
You are 100% correct and I totally missed it because the conversation had steered towards riding all the tier 1 attractions at DHS in a day.False, they removed a bunch of capacity by taking away the M&G’s and ETwB, especially at Magic Kingdom.
Trying this "hack" again from my house to see what I could get. AK $17 today, MK $27. If I had booked an 8am-9am ITTBAB and let it expire. I think at 9:01am I could go for 3 tier 1s at MK and save $10 per person...I wonder if this will be a money saving/power using "hack" people use. For instance, today I could buy AK for $18 and book my family an 8-9pm ITTAB. Then right now as the pass expires (9:01am) it should unlock 3 completely open LL tracks. Switch everything to MK tier 1s without ever setting foot in AK. Meanwhile those that booked MK paid $29 per person are still stuck on 1 tier 1 since the park is opening right now.
I allowed myself 5 refreshes to see what I would book. I got: 9:45am Big thunder (All refreshs gave 9:25-9:45am BTMRR), 2:40pm Tiana's (popped up on the 3rd try), 9:15am space mountain (popped up on the fourth try)
Would you rather pay $29 per person and walk in with 1 tier 1 and 2 tier 2s. or pay $18 a person and walk in with 9:15 Space, 9:45 Big thunder, and 2:40PM Tiana?
Except for the most busy times I believe it is likely to be most of all 3 Due to the tier limits I am assuming that on all but the most busy days there will be many more tier 1 slots than people to pre-book them meaning that combined with day of drops (which we will figure out timing on) there will be plenty of opportunities to get multiple or all of the tier 1s in one day of use.You are 100% correct and I totally missed it because the conversation had steered towards riding all the tier 1 attractions at DHS in a day.
I'll amend it to say that each individual ride LL capacity remained constant through this change. My point was meant to be, if on G+ you used to be able to ride SDD, ToT, RnRC, MMRR, and MFSR all on LLMP now you only get SDD, ToT, and MFSR... your LLs for RnRC and MMRR now go to someone that otherwise would not gotten those LLs.
Basically, one person losing out on LLs they would have gotten on G+ is another person gaining LLs on LLMP.
It still remains to be seen if the "winners" of this change will be:
My personal belief is #2, but I actually think it will be pretty minor. I'm planning to stay offsite on my next trip and fully expect to get the same number of LLs as before... Potentially more actually because I now have 3 "tracks" to power use.
- Non-power user resort guests (due to the 7+ day prebook)
- The uninformed groups (due to the 3 prebook/tiering)
- No one, the same people will still figure out how to suck up all the capacity (Disney can't stop us!)
Replying to your post because it seems quite appropriate. And is an example of #3 in action, albeit with only a day to learn the new system.You are 100% correct and I totally missed it because the conversation had steered towards riding all the tier 1 attractions at DHS in a day.
I'll amend it to say that each individual ride LL capacity remained constant through this change. My point was meant to be, if on G+ you used to be able to ride SDD, ToT, RnRC, MMRR, and MFSR all on LLMP now you only get SDD, ToT, and MFSR... your LLs for RnRC and MMRR now go to someone that otherwise would not gotten those LLs.
Basically, one person losing out on LLs they would have gotten on G+ is another person gaining LLs on LLMP.
It still remains to be seen if the "winners" of this change will be:
My personal belief is #2, but I actually think it will be pretty minor. I'm planning to stay offsite on my next trip and fully expect to get the same number of LLs as before... Potentially more actually because I now have 3 "tracks" to power use.
- Non-power user resort guests (due to the 7+ day prebook)
- The uninformed groups (due to the 3 prebook/tiering)
- No one, the same people will still figure out how to suck up all the capacity (Disney can't stop us!)
For reference, according to touring plans 7/25 was a 7 crowd level at DHS. So not peak crowds, but not empty either. No pre-booking could be a factor but that’s a significantly better outcome than what some people feared.Replying to your post because it seems quite appropriate. And is an example of #3 in action, albeit with only a day to learn the new system.
Two Disney newbies had half a day in DHS pre-cruise. They planned to arrive at DHS around 1pm for Savii’s and had an ADR at Ogas around 6ish.
Being newbies they asked a friend to help them, who booked the following for them on Wednesday @ 7am for Thursday:
Single LL for Rise
Multipass LLs for Slinky, TSMM and ToT
On Thursday he directed them around the park from his home and this is what happened:
Started with Muppets before doing Savi’s.
They rode TSMM and he booked an LL for MFSR.
Then they rode Slinky and he searched for RnR without luck so booked an immediate Star Tours, which he pushed back so they could eat.
They also decided to skip ToT so that was modified to MMRR (again no RnR available).
They rode Rise & Star Tours, and he managed to book RnR for them for after their Ogas reservation.
Everything ridden except for ToT (their choice) and Aliens.
Over the course of the day he had modified MFSR and RnR to earlier times and ST to a later time.
Rise went down just before they boarded the escape pod so they managed to squeeze it in later using their multi-experience pass.
That’s a pretty good day. Obviously helped by the fact that no one had pre-booked earlier than one day ahead.
You want it to be more complicated?! What's wrong with you people?
The problem with this is that, there's nothing limiting how many people can enter the express lane at any given time. As we've seen, there's far more demand for an express lane than there is supply, and that's by design. If everyone could just pay to enter an express lane at any time, not only would the express lanes now have long waits, it would make the FP/LL issue of making standby waits longer even worse, and I think it would actually make the average wait time go up for a lot of people, if not most. Seems like a lose/lose for everyone.I've said a long time ago that if they were gonig to have a pay skip system, I would have had a pay per ride. Make everything a LLSP/ILL and make the cost subject to demand like ordering an Uber.
Teacups would be a dollar and Tron would be $20.
Pretty simple and it would work like mobile order.
Replying to your post because it seems quite appropriate. And is an example of #3 in action, albeit with only a day to learn the new system.
Two Disney newbies had half a day in DHS pre-cruise. They planned to arrive at DHS around 1pm for Savii’s and had an ADR at Ogas around 6ish.
Being newbies they asked a friend to help them, who booked the following for them on Wednesday @ 7am for Thursday:
Single LL for Rise
Multipass LLs for Slinky, TSMM and ToT
On Thursday he directed them around the park from his home and this is what happened:
Started with Muppets before doing Savi’s.
They rode TSMM and he booked an LL for MFSR.
Then they rode Slinky and he searched for RnR without luck so booked an immediate Star Tours, which he pushed back so they could eat.
They also decided to skip ToT so that was modified to MMRR (again no RnR available).
They rode Rise & Star Tours, and he managed to book RnR for them for after their Ogas reservation.
Everything ridden except for ToT (their choice) and Aliens.
Over the course of the day he had modified MFSR and RnR to earlier times and ST to a later time.
Rise went down just before they boarded the escape pod so they managed to squeeze it in later using their multi-experience pass.
That’s a pretty good day. Obviously helped by the fact that no one had pre-booked earlier than one day ahead.
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