Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[dreday3]

The free group will have less spots. You have to pay to play.

I forget, didn't you want something along these lines?

 

[disneygeek90]

For ROTR, you can try 2 times a day for a boarding group they say, if not you can purchase to ride the ride.

Where did this extra capacity come from?

Per @MisterPenguin guide, it won't.

• RotR will no longer have the 1 PM half-day lottery once Genie is active

 

[Jrb1979]

I forget, didn't you want something along these lines?

Yes. It's exactly what I want. I was just answering their question.

 

[dreday3]

Yes. It's exactly what I want. I was just answering their question.

Thanks for answering!

 

[Patcheslee]

Surge pricing will be highly dependent on crowds/demand. If it's slow, the price will be low to encourage people to use it. If it's busy, it'll probably be high in an attempt to control the amount of people entering the line.

I would imagine we're going to need a couple of months with the new system in place before anyone could possibly guessimate, and even then, the x factor will be who knows if there's an expectation those headliners might have a certain amount they have to generate each quarter.

Though I guess I should add, based on the current information on the Genie page, it says the price for IAS is dependent on day, park and attraction, but not time, so who knows how the pricing structure will eventually end up. I keep saying surge pricing, but we're really talking variable pricing but perhaps not moment to moment.

I wonder if we'll be able to correlate 1 day admission pricing with the IPA pricing. Say the Christmas $159 admission price means IPR would be $24 for top attraction and scaled from there to the low $109 admission.

 

[MrPromey]

I think I could live without park hopper for 2 days if I saved $200+. Disneysea is a 1 day experience itself.

anyway
Another thing I was thinking about was how they thought this was a good idea to announce before the 50th anniversary.

Well, if they expected their plan to spin this as a positive for most guests was going to work, it would have made sense to do it before more of that Unprecedented Demand™ hit the parks and get people (it's hard to say this with a straight face) excited about it.

As-is, I'm sure their motivation was to get this cash register up and running ahead of said Unprecedented Demand™.

 

[Joffrey]

Here's the facts
The attraction has a capacity of roughly 1,500/hr. So to give out 5hrs worth of slots would be at least 7500 spots. When they gave out the full day's capacity, that would be roughly 18,000 slots for a 12hr day
- Not everyone who tries, gets them - so we know there are more requests then slots...
- Routinely, Half the day's capacity is allocated in under 10 seconds - They used to do the full day at once. The sellout still happened in roughly the same amount of time. So again, we know there are far more requests in the window availability is open then the '1:1 fit'

If successfully you give out 7500+ slots in 9 seconds... do you not see where the spit ball comes from?

And even while people are booking as groups - each of those party members must be verified and fitted. So one request in, multiple transactions behind.

What else would you like to estimate today?

Curious where you got that 1,500/hr number from. See my math below.

Spoiler: Ride spoilers! Do not click if you haven't ridden Rise yet.

You are in that shuttle ship for over 4 minutes before being captured. There's not more than 50-60 people on that shuttle with you. If there's only one of those that's a maximum of 900 people / hr. But there will have to be "reset" time for the next group so more likely 6 minutes per group or a max of 600 people/hr.

 

[disneygeek90]

Curious where you got that 1,500/hr number from. See my math below.

Spoiler: Ride spoilers! Do not click if you haven't ridden Rise yet.

You are in that shuttle ship for over 4 minutes before being captured. There's not more than 50-60 people on that shuttle with you. If there's only one of those that's a maximum of 900 people / hr. But there will have to be "reset" time for the next group so more likely 6 minutes per group or a max of 600 people/hr.

There's more than one of those.

 

[DCLcruiser]

For ROTR, you can try 2 times a day for a boarding group they say, if not you can purchase to ride the ride.

Where did this extra capacity come from?

I think they are reducing the BG/VQ to 7 AM and then you have to pay for IAS. The 1 PM BG/VQ is gone.

Disney Genie, Genie+, and Lightning Lane FAQ for Walt Disney World

Your most frequently asked questions about the new Disney Genie service coming to Walt Disney World.

www.wdwmagic.com

20. Can I pay to ride Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance or Remy's Ratatouille Adventure?​

Yes. There are two options to access these attractions. You can join the virtual queue, which has no cost, beginning at 7am, or purchase a Lighting Lane entrance if available at the time.

 

[Waters Back Side]

I think they are reducing the BG/VQ to 7 AM and then you have to pay for IAS. The 1 PM BG/VQ is gone.

Disney Genie, Genie+, and Lightning Lane FAQ for Walt Disney World

Your most frequently asked questions about the new Disney Genie service coming to Walt Disney World.

www.wdwmagic.com

20. Can I pay to ride Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance or Remy's Ratatouille Adventure?​

Yes. There are two options to access these attractions. You can join the virtual queue, which has no cost, beginning at 7am, or purchase a Lighting Lane entrance if available at the time.

By the time I'm there in December the only option might be to pay like the other individual access rides. The individual premium headliners should all be the same...make them VQs/buy access or no VQ and pay only. I include FOP, SDD and TT as well as SM and SDMT in MK. Why not? This can be a way to make some families have a magical type experience of riding them free if they get lucky. If not, just force everyone to pay which is probably what they will do.

 

[DisneyHead123]

Completely random thought, but now whenever I think of Disney Genie I 100% envision the planning process as an episode of Screen Rant Pitch Meeting.

We're releasing a new comprehensive planning app with push notifications and paid options!

Did people want a new planning app?

Well they're gonna get one.

And this... Genie, you call it... this Genie communicates with a car from a Pixar movie who then makes the line a speedway? Does the car have magic too?

Sure yeah, I don't care.

Well you must have done a lot of market research on this.

Maybe. So anyways, this Genie, he's gonna grant wishes!!

Ooo, like for free stuff?

What are you kidding me?! No! You wish to pay for something!

Oh a very money grabby Genie! And will people love this new Genie rollout?

No, they'll absolutely hate it!

Then why are we ...

Because money sir! AND IP!

Oh money AND IP? Those are both of the things I like!!

That is all. Carry on.

 

[disneygeek90]

By the time I'm there in December the only option might be to pay like the other individual access rides. The individual premium headliners should all be the same...make them VQs or pay only. I include FOP, SDD and TT as well as SM and SDMT in MK. Why not? This can be a way to make some families have a magical type experience of riding them free if they get lucky. If not, just force everyone to pay.

Why would they want to manage more VQ's? There's lots of overhead when rolling out those systems at the attraction itself. You need people at the front ensuring guests have a group, several CM's to scan tickets, and whoever is in charge of making sure groups are called at a steady pace and updated on the app. It's not something that operationally seems like it's very valuable to Disney and is being used in more of a way to guarantee there's not 5 hour lines on opening days/months of attractions (or ones that still have downtime issues).

I wouldn't be surprised if they drop it from Rat relatively soon if the demand does not consistently meet supply.

 

[aladdin2007]

Why would they want to manage more VQ's? There's lots of overhead when rolling out those systems at the attraction itself. You need people at the front ensuring guests have a group, several CM's to scan tickets, and whoever is in charge of making sure groups are called at a steady pace and updated on the app. It's not something that operationally seems like it's very valuable to Disney and is being used in more of a way to guarantee there's not 5 hour lines on opening days/months of attractions (or ones that still have downtime issues).

I wouldn't be surprised if they drop it from Rat relatively soon if the demand does not consistently meet supply.

along with that, I think they are going to have so many complaints from guests being turned away and told they cant get in line they will be forced to do something,,,guest relations is going to have a hard time.

 

[disneygeek90]

along with that, I think they are going to have so many complaints from guests being turned away and told they cant get in line they will be forced to do something,,,guest relations is going to have a hard time.

No real difference than what they've been dealing with for nearly two years at ROTR. Almost every time I walk by the entrance there's a CM explaining the BG process to a guest.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

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I asked the question of whether it was worth it from those who have been on the ride. People have been doing crazy things to get on that ride since it opened, maybe there is some kind of pixie dust you inhale that makes 24 a pop not crazy. I can’t see us paying that, but who knows. It would definitely be a hard pill to swallow.

Then don't pay for it.

 

[TheGuyThatMakesSwords]

DW and I are 70. No, we are NOT getting up at 7 AM, every day, to play with this crap. Standby only - and can't WAIT to see the standby ropes & poles marching down the street. Betting on 2 hour + wait times.

 

[Patcheslee]

Completely random thought, but now whenever I think of Disney Genie I 100% envision the planning process as an episode of Screen Rant Pitch Meeting.

We're releasing a new comprehensive planning app with push notifications and paid options!

Did people want a new planning app?

Well they're gonna get one.

And this... Genie, you call it... this Genie communicates with a car from a Pixar movie who then makes the line a speedway? Does the car have magic too?

Sure yeah, I don't care.

Well you must have done a lot of market research on this.

Maybe. So anyways, this Genie, he's gonna grant wishes!!

Ooo, like for free stuff?

What are you kidding me?! No! You wish to pay for something!

Oh a very money grabby Genie! And will people love this new Genie rollout?

No, they'll absolutely hate it!

Then why are we ...

Because money sir! AND IP!

Oh money AND IP? Those are both of the things I like!!

That is all. Carry on.

Have you looked on the website lately? The graphics under the tickets and planning is similar feel at the Genie app.
Also they're ticket section the "planDisney panel" about what can possibly be experienced based on ticket days bought. Most interesting is a 1 day ticket suggests 1-2 parks, 5-9 attractions, & 2-3 shows could be done with a single day. I do question if that many shows and attractions could be accomplished unless shows are the 10-15 stand on the sidewalk and watch vs enter a queue.

 

[jpinkc]

Have not seen a Peep from Disney since making this announcement

Plenty of Peeps announcements for Christmas Tickets, food offering etc on Social Disaster pages. Just radio Silence on anyone who asks if Genie has any up charges for these things. They wont comment its beneath Slappie to address us Unwashed Masses at his gates.

 

[flynnibus]

So... what was the magical formula that allowed them to increase attendance and decrease attraction capacity?

Attendance is independent of capacity (until you hit saturation).
Attendance is up due to things like runDisney, endless festivals, variations, DVC... all these things that boost annual attendance by filling in the voids by making the resort 'more attractive' at other times of the year. Then add on top the normal growth they are generating.

They boosted attendance while reducing capacity through both stale attractions, shutdowns, and flat out replacements with lower capacity. The issue is both total capacity and capacity in use. Take EPCOT for instance, instead of a lot of attractions with really high capacities, they've shrunk to some attractions with really high demand, others with too low of demand, and lowered the overall capacity at the same time.

This disparity is why you get more and more motivation to shape demand. Disney focused on trying to convince people to ride the under utilized stuff rather than actually create more attractive capacity. Yes they've added attractions, but not enough to offset their other behaviors.

I sort of understand what you're trying to say here, but you're doing the opposite of what you're accusing me of doing: you're holding onto these generalities about how the whole system worked before. It was absolutely possible to go in the offseason and ride Haunted Mansion with a 15 minute wait. But people in the summer and holiday still have really long waits and still complained about them.

When did I say otherwise? What's your point? No one ever claimed there never were lines or that people liked them. Lines are a natural aspect of shared resources. Disney EXCELLED and defined the industry on how to manage lines and customer satisfaction in dealing with them.

OK sure... let's all sit around and hold our breath until they add new attractions. And then of course when they don't, but keep breaking attendance records, claim they don't know how to operate a theme park.

Great retort... spray jibjab rather than stay on point.

How much did capacity decrease? I asked for the numbers for New Fantasyland but no one has really provided them.

What numbers? Are you not able to do some limited research?

 

[lentesta]

Curious where you got that 1,500/hr number from. See my math below.

Spoiler: Ride spoilers! Do not click if you haven't ridden Rise yet.

You are in that shuttle ship for over 4 minutes before being captured. There's not more than 50-60 people on that shuttle with you. If there's only one of those that's a maximum of 900 people / hr. But there will have to be "reset" time for the next group so more likely 6 minutes per group or a max of 600 people/hr.

We’ve counted people exiting ROTR for hours, across days. 1,500 is a solid estimate.