Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[CaptainAmerica]

The big one for me is I’ll know if I can get the rides I want, at the time I want, before I pay for it.

The tiering system says "you can't get the rides you want, period."

 

[mattpeto]

The tiering system says "you can't get the rides you want, period."

Just from the pre-planning aspect. Day of, you can shift to 7 am Genie+ strategy and modify two of your selections to Group 1.

We have to see how it's implemented and how availability looks. It remains to be seen.

As an evening stacker, the new system definitely works against how I tour personally. I still expect to get the ones that I want, but probably will have to settle with 3 maximum.

 

[Saskdw]

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Canada books through the same arm as USA, pays in USD, and can call from home for DAS unlike other international guests. Seems odd that this new system is excluded.

I was thinking the same thing. I'm not convinced Canada is included in the International visitors category. Regulations are different between US and Canada then other countires.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

The tiering system says "you can't get the rides you want, period."

Maybe not every single one but if I can guarantee myself 3 good rides with low waits that’s good enough for me to spend $20, maybe $25, probably not $30… the devil will be in the details.

If we can’t get 3 “good” rides it won’t even be worth $20, at least we’ll know before we buy it though. I used Genie ounce, we got 1 ride at a time that worked for us, I felt like a sucker that got completely ripped off, at least I can save my money with this if nothing good is available.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Day of, you can shift to 7 am Genie+ strategy and modify two of your selections to Group 1.

You can?

 

[nicb88]

Surely that’s because you have to be logged in to buy it and have a valid ticket for the same day?

Unless you have an AP of course.

I have an AP.

Re magic bands, I have also tried to buy them many times and you can’t even get close to try changing the shipping address - even under a VPN it says ‘guests cannot buy magicbands internationally’, never mind not just ship internationally.

Just to add to this, you need a VPN to manage DAS and you can still make and manage resort reservations with a VPN for now.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I’m also curious to see if Disney will raise the price as availability decreases, multipass might be $20 if you log in right at 7am when 100% of capacity is available, bumps to $30 when 50% of capacity is available, $40 when 25% is still available... that would also limit the number of users.

This makes sense from the money stand point, Disney can make more money.

But now with advance selection of return times, will folks figure out the multipass will become less valuable the later you purchase it; all the good return times are gone.

And for folks who don't know any better and buy late, will pay for it and after that find out its not worth it.

When it was free, there was nothing to lose.

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

Maybe not every single one but if I can guarantee myself 3 good rides with low waits that’s good enough for me to spend $20, maybe $25, probably not $30… the devil will be in the details.

If we can’t get 3 “good” rides it won’t even be worth $20, at least we’ll know before we buy it though. I used Genie ounce, we got 1 ride at a time that worked for us, I felt like a sucker that got completely ripped off, at least I can save my money with this if nothing good is available.

Those quotation marks around good are doing some heavy lifting there lol! For the most part the rides that are in tier 2 are rides you would have no problem snagging with Genie, even the least educated Genie guest.

 

[mattpeto]

You can?

There are no Groups/Tiers day of. They just have it for pre-planning.

 

[GoofGoof]

This makes sense from the money stand point, Disney can make more money.

But now with advance selection of return times, will folks figure out the multipass will become less valuable the later you purchase it; all the good return times are gone.

And for folks who don't know any better and buy late, will pay for it and after that find out its not worth it.

When it was free, there was nothing to lose.

You see what’s available before paying so if you go to buy late and nothing good is left then don’t buy

 

[Tha Realest]

I’m generally not a conspiracy theorist but rolling this out just after they sunset the old DAS policy is interesting timing.

 

[GoofGoof]

Those quotation marks around good are doing some heavy lifting there lol! For the most part the rides that are in tier 2 are rides you would have no problem snagging with Genie, even the least educated Genie guest.

Touring Plans has a nice little tool that projects what the return time will be each hour and when the full inventory will sell out for each ride. Time of year matters a lot but some rides never sell out some times of year.

 

[Andrew25]

It really bothers me that GOTG isn't off VQ yet. My wait-time model suggests it'll only be an hour-long wait on an average day during peak times.

 

[mattpeto]

I’m generally not a conspiracy theorist but rolling this out just after they sunset the old DAS policy is interesting timing.

It's not a conspiracy.

They did it because DAS usage was super high and needed the new DAS system to be in place before they put the new LL system. It will help with capacity.

 

[GoofGoof]

I’m generally not a conspiracy theorist but rolling this out just after they sunset the old DAS policy is interesting timing.

It’s definitely linked. It was suggested many places that a large percentage of the lightning lane capacity was being used by DAS leaving too little behind to sell. Disney never formally said this, but it’s easy to read between the lines.

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

I’m generally not a conspiracy theorist but rolling this out just after they sunset the old DAS policy is interesting timing.

I thought it was all but officially confirmed by Disney that DAS changes were needed in order to make the illusive Genie+ changes being talked about.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I’m generally not a conspiracy theorist but rolling this out just after they sunset the old DAS policy is interesting timing.

Well, in Disney's theme park business, EVERYTHING is about MAKING MONEY so the timing could be intentional.

Remember, TWDC needs their theme park income to pay for their movie business that has no regard for costs or making money.

 

[djlaosc]

But the simple answer would be to sell the multipass LL as part of a UK ticket, not from within the app.

I'm waiting for a new 2025 AttractionsTickets.com bundle to be released, which I would guess would try to have this included - it did at Disneyland when we went last year.

Or included in a Disney Package.

 

[mattpeto]

For those that are just angry at the upcharge, we are basically with you. But that's not going away.

I was very good at getting value of Genie+. Initially, when the news broke I was concerned I wouldn't get as much value with this new system.

The more I hear about the nuances with this platform, the more I think I'll generally get the same or greater value.

Except for evening stack days, we're the losers there. It's effectively the same solution as FP+, except you swap out a Group 2 at 7 am for Group 1 if it's available.

You won't get a 4th or 5th with value like you would with Genie+ with the evening stack. But you won't have to wake up at 7 am if you're good with two selections in Group 2.

 

[Dranth]

Just from the pre-planning aspect. Day of, you can shift to 7 am Genie+ strategy and modify two of your selections to Group 1.

We have to see how it's implemented and how availability looks. It remains to be seen.

As an evening stacker, the new system definitely works against how I tour personally. I still expect to get the ones that I want, but probably will have to settle with 3 maximum.

I doubt they leave a loop hole like that in place. If they do, why wouldn't everyone book 1 T1 and 2 small rides as early as possible and then immediately drop the two low wait rides for other T1s on park open?