I was thinking the same thing. I'm not convinced Canada is included in the International visitors category. Regulations are different between US and Canada then other countires.
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Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World
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Vegas Disney Fan
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Maybe not every single one but if I can guarantee myself 3 good rides with low waits that’s good enough for me to spend $20, maybe $25, probably not $30… the devil will be in the details.
If we can’t get 3 “good” rides it won’t even be worth $20, at least we’ll know before we buy it though. I used Genie ounce, we got 1 ride at a time that worked for us, I felt like a sucker that got completely ripped off, at least I can save my money with this if nothing good is available.
CaptainAmerica
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You can?
nicb88
Well-Known Member
I have an AP.
Re magic bands, I have also tried to buy them many times and you can’t even get close to try changing the shipping address - even under a VPN it says ‘guests cannot buy magicbands internationally’, never mind not just ship internationally.
Just to add to this, you need a VPN to manage DAS and you can still make and manage resort reservations with a VPN for now.
Disstevefan1
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This makes sense from the money stand point, Disney can make more money.
But now with advance selection of return times, will folks figure out the multipass will become less valuable the later you purchase it; all the good return times are gone.
And for folks who don't know any better and buy late, will pay for it and after that find out its not worth it.
When it was free, there was nothing to lose.
ConfettiCupcake
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Those quotation marks around good are doing some heavy lifting there lol! For the most part the rides that are in tier 2 are rides you would have no problem snagging with Genie, even the least educated Genie guest.
mattpeto
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There are no Groups/Tiers day of. They just have it for pre-planning.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
You see what’s available before paying so if you go to buy late and nothing good is left then don’t buy
Tha Realest
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I’m generally not a conspiracy theorist but rolling this out just after they sunset the old DAS policy is interesting timing.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Touring Plans has a nice little tool that projects what the return time will be each hour and when the full inventory will sell out for each ride. Time of year matters a lot but some rides never sell out some times of year.
mattpeto
Well-Known Member
It's not a conspiracy.
They did it because DAS usage was super high and needed the new DAS system to be in place before they put the new LL system. It will help with capacity.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
It’s definitely linked. It was suggested many places that a large percentage of the lightning lane capacity was being used by DAS leaving too little behind to sell. Disney never formally said this, but it’s easy to read between the lines.
ConfettiCupcake
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I thought it was all but officially confirmed by Disney that DAS changes were needed in order to make the illusive Genie+ changes being talked about.
Disstevefan1
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Well, in Disney's theme park business, EVERYTHING is about MAKING MONEY so the timing could be intentional.
Remember, TWDC needs their theme park income to pay for their movie business that has no regard for costs or making money.
I'm waiting for a new 2025 AttractionsTickets.com bundle to be released, which I would guess would try to have this included - it did at Disneyland when we went last year.
Or included in a Disney Package.
mattpeto
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For those that are just angry at the upcharge, we are basically with you. But that's not going away.
I was very good at getting value of Genie+. Initially, when the news broke I was concerned I wouldn't get as much value with this new system.
The more I hear about the nuances with this platform, the more I think I'll generally get the same or greater value.
Except for evening stack days, we're the losers there. It's effectively the same solution as FP+, except you swap out a Group 2 at 7 am for Group 1 if it's available.
You won't get a 4th or 5th with value like you would with Genie+ with the evening stack. But you won't have to wake up at 7 am if you're good with two selections in Group 2.
I was very good at getting value of Genie+. Initially, when the news broke I was concerned I wouldn't get as much value with this new system.
The more I hear about the nuances with this platform, the more I think I'll generally get the same or greater value.
Except for evening stack days, we're the losers there. It's effectively the same solution as FP+, except you swap out a Group 2 at 7 am for Group 1 if it's available.
You won't get a 4th or 5th with value like you would with Genie+ with the evening stack. But you won't have to wake up at 7 am if you're good with two selections in Group 2.
Dranth
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I doubt they leave a loop hole like that in place. If they do, why wouldn't everyone book 1 T1 and 2 small rides as early as possible and then immediately drop the two low wait rides for other T1s on park open?
Vegas Disney Fan
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Maybe, we wouldn’t know because we made the mistake of paying for Genie at HS and by the time the 2 hours had passed nothing else was available, it soured us so much on Genie we never used it again, it soured us so much we haven’t even been back to WDW since then (Jan 2023), and we are only going for 3 park days (no HS) when we do go before our cruise next year.
No matter how bad this ends up being I don’t think it’s going to leave people feeling so completely ripped off and like a fool for using it they don’t even want to return to the parks for 2 years.
I was under that impression as well. I thought it was common knowledge on the forums.