Letter to WDW

Invero

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Thespis

This is the only problem I have had with WDW Transportation. I'm glad to see it's being addressed.

*sigh* I saw the new plans today... and I am sorry to report that I don't think it will work as they have it now... The new changes for TTC are mostly internal... and guests won't really notice them... the one big change is that there will not be a Downtown Disney bus at the TTC. This is the big issue that a lot of the drivers have, and I have a feeling that they will reinstate that route.

The changes for Fort Wilderness... from what I am to understand, there will be two internal routes, the Chip and the Dale... guests will go to Settlement Depot for the MK, and Gateway Parking for Epcot, DAK, Studios, and Downtown.

They're going to try out this new system for about 2 weeks... and continually tweak it... to see how it works... if it works, they'll keep it for another 2 weeks for more tweaking. If it doesn't work, they will return to how it was.
 

2much2do

New Member
This is for thedisneyfan:

Your post to Fantasia boi was the arrogant one. Quit your griping, put a sock in it, take a chill and be nice! Geesh!!!!!
 

Invero

Well-Known Member
DISCLAIMER: I'm takin off my costume here... This is just Tyler the person speakin... As a cast member, I'd have to bite my tongue and smile, but right now, I'm just a regular person so I'm gonna vent a lil bit here. So you'll just have to pardon my tone.

Originally posted by thedisneyfan
This is the prime example of the Disney arrogance that's showing up more and more. Apparently people like you are the ones who must be absolutely deaf to the customer complaints I hear all the time when we go. these are the same customers without whom, I might add, you wouldn't have your job. You must be completely oblivious to the fact that WE are paying a great deal of money and we do expect to receive a great deal of quick, reliable service for that money.

On the contrary, I am not deaf, I can hear perfectly fine. For example, when I was training in busses to get my CDL, part of the training was driving around property. I remember going into Fort Wilderness, with "TRAINING" on my marquee, and also a quite visible red placard in the windshield with TRAINING written on it as well. As I was driving through, I saw a number of busses, so I knew they were all running quite frequently. Well, I drove by this one stop (Remember, I was training, and legally cannot pick up passengers), and this guy starts yelling profanities at me, and then runs up to the bus and starts banging on the window, as I'm still driving. (5-10mph of course)

I know he hasn't been waiting for more than 5 minutes, and even still, his language and actions were completely out of line. Now, I do realize that this is an isolated incident, however, it illustrates how a lot of complaints are because the guest simply either don't understand a policy, or simply don't care, and just think that we should drop everything and cater to them.


Originally posted by thedisneyfan
Your wisdom is obviously very questionable by the fact that you can say what you said about the bus service. The simple fact is that the bus service in the past year has sucked overall.

Let's look at this here. The average guest spends about one week at Walt Disney World, sometimes maybe two. Me... I'm there 5-7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, not including the overtime I might pick up, or when I go into the parks to play as a guest. I am intimatly involved with both Busses and Monorail operations, and am also knowledgeable about Watercraft. My managers consider me a friendly, hard, intelligent, knowledgeable worker, who takes pride in his efforts. Not to be arrogant, but I think I'm a little bit more qualified to say how bus service is. I see the day in and day out operations. I know which monorail drivers are slow and cause delays, I know how to maximize monorail cycle times, I know what bus routes can back up, I know how quickly it can all work, and I know how quickly it can all come to a complete halt.

Let me add this little tidbit. Transit companies from around the country come to us all the time, wanting to be shown just how we move so many people in such a short amount of time. They are amazed at our efficiency. I think that says a lot.

MIND YOU... I am NOT saying our system is perfect. It isn't. There are flaws. It could be better. It will never be perfect, as there is no such thing. Everything can be improved upon.


Originally posted by thedisneyfan
The real cost that YOU don't want to admit is the fewer and fewer bus drivers WDW would need if such expansion occurred not to mention the millions each year that would be saved from not having to have such drivers!

I'm not worried about that at all. There will always be plenty of roles for those Drivers. Disney will always need busses, even with monorail expansion. In addition, there are a lot of external routes right now that Disney uses outside contractors for, so Disney would just take them over.
 

niteobsrvr

Well-Known Member
Since this kind of became the unofficial Disney Transportation thread, let me give a few details about the changes taking place April 1st for a minimum two week test period.

First - Let me point out that the only folks who pay for the bus system at WDW are the DISNEY resort guests. It used to be that every park ticket included a transportation fee but that is no longer the case. All operating funds for buses come directly from your room rates. Therefore the system should only be moving actual Disney resort guests.

This however has not been the case for a while as many off property guests use the bus system as if it were public transit. In order for Disney to maintain an efficient operation and to supply the Resort guests with the level of service they should expect for the prices they are paying, it has come time to stop moving guests around who are not staying in a Disney resort.

Therefore, starting 4/1, if you are staying at Ft. WIlderness you will have direct service from either Settlement Depot or Gateway Parking to all parks except the Magic Kingdom by bus. For the Magic Kingdom you will need to either take the boat from the marina or a bus from the settlement to TTC for a monorail or ferryboat.

Contemporary, Polynesian, Grand Floridian, and WIlderness Lodge guest will now have direct service by bus to Downtown starting at 9 am each day.

From TTC you will still be able to take a bus to Animal KIngdom or MGM and the monorail to EPcot.

IF you are at a park and wish to head to Downtown Disney you will need to return to your resort and catch the downtown DIsney bus from there. This will be the case for Typhoon and BLizzard too. The Downtown bus from the Ticket Center was taking the most abuse as public transportation. Most of the riders were either folks from Hotel Plaza Blvd, which has their own buses, or people utilizing the parking lot at DTD for a free space instead of parking at the appropriate park and paying the necessary fee. There were also many day guests who would use the Park parking lots and then leave their car there and go to Downtown Disney. Ths caused a problem because trams stop running shortly after a park closes and these guest would not want to walk to their car.

In effect if you are not a DISNEY RESORT guest and want to go to other places on property, you will need to find out how your outside hotel plans to move you around, drive your car, or take a taxi. (Remember to keep your parking receipt to show to the next toll plaza.)

I know resort guests took advantage of the TTC to Downtown bus too but unfortunately the number of outside guests abusing the system have made it difficult to continue the route.
 

2much2do

New Member
Hi niteobsrvr,

I found your post very eye-opening and interesting. As a guest who ALWAYS stays on site, I did not know Disney took transport $$$ out of resort $$. That does make sense though, since the buses service us the most. Actually, until you just mentioned it, I didn't really realize people staying off-site used the Disney transport system. On another thread (or maybe this one somewhere) someone posted that they stay off site and were complaining about the buses, mon, etc. This was the first time I ever heard of an off site guest using the transport. Why would they? I always thought the buses went resort to parks and back. Why would a day guest need to do that? I guess to eat at the restaurants in the resorts if they wanted to? Anyway, like you said, it's the TTC that day guests use. That would be the only place, right?
A question: Why doesn't Disney just put a swipe machine on the buses and require everyone who boards to swipe their resort ID's? Then they could keep the DTD route. Would that cost too much?
Anyway, I am in agreement with their little plan. Fort Wildreness definitly needs transport help and I hope it works out for them. Also, if I will be paying for the transport out of my room fees, I sure as hell don't want day guests riding for free!
Here is an oportunity for Disney to make staying on site more appealing to those who do not regularly do it. It would be another perk for us since they dropped EE. And it wouldn't cost them a cent, maybe even save them some $$$. It could say: "Disney Resort guest get EXCLUSIVE use of the quick and efficient WDW transpostation system consisting of buses, boats and the legendary monorail"! The only place day guests should need any transport is from the TTC to MK. That would be their only opportunity to ride the mono.
 

niteobsrvr

Well-Known Member
It used to be that Resort guests had to show their ID to the driver in order to board the busses. However that seems to have gone by the wayside. Truthfully, it would slow down the system a little if every ID was checked or read by a card reader.

However, I do beleive that Disney maybe headed back to that scenario. I wouldn't be suprised at all to see ID checking reinstated. In most cases, "Must show proper ID" has never been dropped from signage or literature related to transportation.

If the future plans are still on track for Magic on Demand, then within a couple of years you will be sliding your resort ID through a card reader at the resort bus stop and slecting your destination in order for the transport system to know you are waiting. In addition, the buses could eventually to be equipped with an information terminal for the driver that could theoretically provide all kinds of information. Given this, adding a card reader to the busses is quite possible. It would be similar in function to the monthly bus pass readers used in most cities.

One thing is for sure, however it works out, is that Disney's popularity isnt slowing down. With the retirement of the baby boomers, attendance will probably even notch up a bit. This will put more of a demand on transport systems. Magic on Demand and checking guest's ID's should both help alleviate some of the future problems.

If they were to continue to move both non-resort and resort guests, the system will either get over taxed or it will be so big, buses will be fighting with each other to get into bus stops. There are 263 buses already making Disney the 3rd largest transit system in the state. No matter how you look at it, its costly to operate a system that size. Not to mention the environmental impact. Making the buses exclusive to Resort guests, as well as the continued pursuit of Magic on Demand, are both certainly steps in the right direction to make the system more effective while reducing the amount of funds and assets tied up in a non-revenue producing service
 

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