Let's go to Disney World in 1973

[marni1971]

No it's definitely been claimed on here that "every night lights were checked and replaced".

Depends who claimed it

 

[JIMINYCR]

Back then no one obsessed over a few burnt out bulbs or a small section of chipped paint. It never crossed guests minds that those items could/ would "ruin" their Disney day at the park. They also didnt have the internet where anti-Disney folks could continually harp on Disneys shortcomings and blow up the issue. Disneys standards were upheld better then and CM's were held accountable to keep those standards up, but those unlit bulbs and paint chips still existed. The difference is how it now dominates the conversation as a talking point to tear down Disney.

 

[LittleBuford]

People really WERE better back then.
They had more self respect, and respect for others.

Depends who the others in question were. For some of us, the world is a much better place now.

 

[Tjaden]

Fun video to watch as someone that had 16 years to be born when it was taken. People were actually dressed more down than I expected. The thing that stood out to me the most really was how loud the cars were haha.

 

[LittleBuford]

People were actually dressed more down than I expected.

The idea that everyone was smartly dressed in the past is very easily disproved:

 

[Incomudro]

The idea that everyone was smartly dressed in the past is very easily disproved:

You didn't disprove anything with these images.
And the argument isn't that literally EVERYONE was "smartly" dressed.
Rather that on the whole, the majority of people cared more about their appearance and presentation.
That fact is readily apparent in these images vs any comparable crowd shot taken in the past ten years or more.

 

[LittleBuford]

You didn't disprove anything with these images.
And the argument isn't that literally EVERYONE was "smartly" dressed.
Rather that on the whole, the majority of people cared more about their appearance and presentation.
That fact is readily apparent in these images vs any comparable crowd shot taken in the past ten years or more.

I don’t agree; I think people still care a great deal about how they look. Fashions have changed, of course, just as they had between the ’50s and ’70s (hence the hatless men and the women wearing short shorts in the pictures I shared), but I don’t think it’s accurate to claim that most guests today are indifferent to their appearance.

 

[Incomudro]

I don’t agree; I think people still care a great deal about how they look. Fashions have changed, of course, just as they had between the ’50s and ’70s (hence the hatless men and the women wearing short shorts in the pictures I shared), but I don’t think it’s accurate to claim that most guests today are indifferent to their appearance.

The average woman today outweighs the average man of the 70's.
Just look at the general neatness of people in these images and contrast it with any recent shot of the parks.
People are not only indifferent to their appearance today - they celebrate it.
Pajamas out in public, sweats...

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

You didn't disprove anything with these images.
And the argument isn't that literally EVERYONE was "smartly" dressed.
Rather that on the whole, the majority of people cared more about their appearance and presentation.
That fact is readily apparent in these images vs any comparable crowd shot taken in the past ten years or more.

First its hilarious that anyone would claim that 1) that such a subjective opinion about what people think/care about their appearance/presentation is a fact, and even more absurd is that 2) anyone thinks a picture taken at a single point in time, at a single vacation/recreation location is in any way shape or form evidence of anything.

Second, the idea that people cared more about appearance in the past, given the insane amounts of money spent on marketing, and clothing/makeup/other fashion products is equally absurd. Anyone who has raised kids anytime in the last 2 decades can tell you people/kids today care just as much about their appearance and presentation as they did in the past. To argue otherwise is the same generational get off my lawn argument that people had in the 60's, 70's 80's 90's and across generations. If anything you could try to make the claim that the majority of people now care less about what you others think about their appearance, or fitting in to some type of arbitrary social norm, but that doesn't mean they don't care about their apperance.

 

[jloucks]

I think people still care a great deal about how they look.

The same percentage as 30+ years ago?

Maybe it is just all the people wearing pajamas or nothing but tights in public, but it sure doesn't feel that way.

 

[LittleBuford]

The average woman today outweighs the average man of the 70's.
Just look at the general neatness of people in these images and contrast it with any recent shot of the parks.
People are not only indifferent to their appearance today - they celebrate it.
Pajamas out in public, sweats...

As I said, fashions have changed. A nice pair of jeans can now be considered smart, which certainly wasn’t the case a few decades ago. When I go to the parks, I think long and hard about my outfits, which invariably include a fun Disney T-shirt and a pair of Mickey ears—hardly formal but still the result of careful consideration.

I for one am pleased we no longer live in an age in which dressing up to fly is an expectation.

 

[LittleBuford]

Maybe it is just all the people wearing pajamas or nothing but tights in public, but it sure doesn't feel that way.

Those are looks, though. You may not like them as looks (I don’t either), but they are as deliberate a choice as wearing a suit.

 

[jloucks]

If anything you could try to make the claim that the majority of people now care less about what you others think about their appearance, or fitting in to some type of arbitrary social norm, but that doesn't mean they don't care about their apperance.

I think this is exactly what is throwing this sub-topic off the rails.

It's not that they don't care, it's that they don't care at all what others think.

And that attitude carries with it some broader societal implications. Once you don't care what others think, lots of opportunities open up for you. How you dress is the gateway attitude to some other areas. Maybe. Seems logical. I have done zero research soooooo.....

 

[LittleBuford]

People have been dressing to conform, to impress, to rebel, to transgress, and everything in between since antiquity. Despite the romanticisation of the period here, the fashions of the ’70s overturned so much of what had had been been deemed acceptable not long before. Such shifts in clothing are as old as time itself, as are the inevitable complaints about society’s decline.

 

[TalkToEthan]

The idea that everyone was smartly dressed in the past is very easily disproved:

Those pics actually contradict your claim. Looks to me like those in the picture aren’t full of nose rings, clown colored hair and tats plastered with devil horns, guns or daggers and blood.

 

[Chi84]

Those pics actually contradict your claim. Looks to me like those in the picture aren’t full of nose rings, clown colored hair and tats plastered with devil horns, guns or daggers and blood.

Where do you see these things?

 

[jloucks]

Those pics actually contradict your claim. Looks to me like those in the picture aren’t full of nose rings, clown colored hair and tats plastered with devil horns, guns or daggers and blood.

That is what I was thinking. Pretty good-looking crowd.

No clown hair, tats, obscene tshirts, skirtless skirts, etc. One, just one, set of shorty shorts....but not short by today's standards. Her top was plenty floofy with no nip piercing visible.

I felt a little crazy till you said something.

 

[LittleBuford]

Those pics actually contradict your claim. Looks to me like those in the picture aren’t full of nose rings, clown colored hair and tats plastered with devil horns, guns or daggers and blood.

Most of them are dressed casually for their time, in ways that an older person of that period may have decried as far less formal and (in the case of the women) more revealing than would have been the case twenty years earlier.

Your complaints are simply an updated version of the same declinist discourse we teased our grandparents about.

 

[Incomudro]

First its hilarious that anyone would claim that 1) that such a subjective opinion about what people think/care about their appearance/presentation is a fact, and even more absurd is that 2) anyone thinks a picture taken at a single point in time, at a single vacation/recreation location is in any way shape or form evidence of anything.

Second, the idea that people cared more about appearance in the past, given the insane amounts of money spent on marketing, and clothing/makeup/other fashion products is equally absurd. Anyone who has raised kids anytime in the last 2 decades can tell you people/kids today care just as much about their appearance and presentation as they did in the past. To argue otherwise is the same generational get off my lawn argument that people had in the 60's, 70's 80's 90's and across generations. If anything you could try to make the claim that the majority of people now care less about what you others think about their appearance, or fitting in to some type of arbitrary social norm, but that doesn't mean they don't care about their apperance.

You are factually incorrect.

 

[TalkToEthan]

Where do you see these things?

I have seen them domestically in spots like:

Starbucks
Target
Walmart
Costco
Lowe’s
Disney
Universal
Bus stops
Malls
College campuses

In cities like:

New York City
Los Angeles
Orlando
San Fran
Miami
Denver
San Diego
Sacramento
Austin
There’s more but you get the idea

Your question wasn’t founded in honesty was it?

((I have not seen such displays in Japan, Mexico, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, S. Korea, Hong Kong, Dubai or Turkey))