LETS FIX WDW

rkleinlein

Well-Known Member
You would be surprised. You need to grasp the concept that there are people who have accumulated the means to afford luxury and by honorable methods. Or are you part of the group that automatically assumes that those who have more stow it from those who don't.

Of course there are plenty of people who could afford $300 a day tickets. But the vast majority of Americans could not afford it. That's Poly Lover's point. This is not the place to indulge in a silly debate about creators vs. takers or question the honor of anyone, rich or poor.

Can we at least agree that Walt Disney never envisioned Disneyland or Disney World as "luxuries" designed exclusively for the amusement of rich people? Of course Disney World welcomes those "who have accumulated means and can afford luxury." But it also welcomes everyone else including the vast majority of American's who fall into the middle class and could never afford $300 a day tickets. That should not change. And Disney has no reason to change it.
 

POLY LOVER

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Original Poster
I think Disney needs to look at the alliances they make with new vendors in their parks, the recent E-Coli outbreak that has affected many stores including Starbucks. Their food offerings and where they come from should be a concern and the lack of control they have over their vendors offerings. The last thing you want is a third party vendor blasted in the news and shutdown. It has a bad affect on your name and would look bad having a closed store front in the parks. Its unfortunate this has happened to Starbucks but it shows it can happen. I'm not blaming Starbucks it may have been out of their control.
 

NormC

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Starbucks Turkey Paninis are not going to close a store in Disney. It was out of their control. Taylor Farms is responsible for the bad celery. I don't think Disney Starbucks even sold the paninis.
 

Chef Mickey

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I agree, as would anyone, that crowds are detrimental to guest experience; I agree, as would anyone, that lowering prices to $40 a day would increase crowds; and I agree, as would anyone, that jacking up prices to $300 a day (!) for peak season is prohibitively high for many and would lower crowds.

My point, and I think others', is that Disney has absolutely no interest whatsoever in lowering attendance to solve the crowd problem. The more people, the more money for them, no matter what the ticket price. Even if they found that magic number where lower attendance was offset by higher admission, they would still lose money on food, souvenirs, lodging, etc. Tiffany and Company may be able to stay afloat by the catering to the super rich, but a place like Disney World cannot. It's all about big crowds for this kind of business, not a small number of select clientele.

And I question your implication that Disney has raised prices in the past and is considering the need to go to demand based pricing TO DETER CROWDS. Maybe they raised prices, and will raise prices in the future, because they have had no negative effect on attendance. And if they go to demand based pricing and jack up prices at peak times maybe it will be because that's the highest price they can ask that people are still willing to pay without decreasing attendance--not because they want to LOWER attendance. Isn't this why one day tickets to the Magic Kingdom are slightly higher than the other parks? It's not to deter people from going the Magic Kingdom. It's because they know they can charge more and people will pay it.

Disney World will never do anything to depress attendance. On the contrary, I'm sure the executives and accountants cheer every time an attendance record is broken or one of the parks reaches maximum capacity. When the parks become too crowded and reach maximum capacity, they stop letting people in. That's the point at which crowds become a problem for them and that's what they do to solve the problem.

When a movie sells out and people get turned away, the cinema doesn't raise ticket prices to $50 a seat to deter people from coming because the theater is too crowded. It may expand and increase capacity to accommodate more moviegoers (and make more money), but it would not raise prices so fewer people bought tickets in order that those who were willing (and able) to pay higher prices could have a better experience with less crowded auditoriums and shorter lines at the concession stand and ticket window. And if you think theme park and movie theater are a terrible comparisons, as you did with the department store comparison, give us a valid comparison. Please give us an example of a company that relies on attendance that has increased prices to lower attendance.

I am sure there are people at Disney who want to solve the crowd problem but they will do so by expansion to ACCOMMODATE the crowds, (in fact to encourage more crowds) NOT by prohibitive pricing to deter crowds.
Agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I'm simply stating that Disney is more concerned than you think about crowd levels if and when they affect guest satisfaction.

Guests might never be completely satisfied during the absolute busiest days of the year (Xmas, New Year's, July 4, etc), but Disney has to guard against poor guest experience during more normal operating hours.

Movie theater isn't a great example because there is an assigned seat for everyone and a defined capacity. Every seat is guaranteed to see the movie. At Disney, moving around the parks, lines, restaurant crowds, show crowds, transportation, and many other factors are affected with higher crowd volume. Way more complex than a theater which is by definition trying to sell every seat available.

I'm simply stating that you can't just gloss over crowd control and think Disney doesn't talk about implementing measures to control crowds through pricing. I DO think they could get even more people to come and perhaps even make more money, but they realize there is some balance between crowd and guest experience. This ensures people have a good time, repeat guests, and an overall standard in quality.
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
I think Disney needs to look at the alliances they make with new vendors in their parks, the recent E-Coli outbreak that has affected many stores including Starbucks. Their food offerings and where they come from should be a concern and the lack of control they have over their vendors offerings. The last thing you want is a third party vendor blasted in the news and shutdown. It has a bad affect on your name and would look bad having a closed store front in the parks. Its unfortunate this has happened to Starbucks but it shows it can happen. I'm not blaming Starbucks it may have been out of their control.
I'm guessing you have some first hand knowledge of Disney quality standards as it pertains to its partner vendors. Based on your knowledge and review of those standards, what are the weak points and what should they specifically do different?
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
Of course there are plenty of people who could afford $300 a day tickets. But the vast majority of Americans could not afford it. That's Poly Lover's point. This is not the place to indulge in a silly debate about creators vs. takers or question the honor of anyone, rich or poor.

Can we at least agree that Walt Disney never envisioned Disneyland or Disney World as "luxuries" designed exclusively for the amusement of rich people? Of course Disney World welcomes those "who have accumulated means and can afford luxury." But it also welcomes everyone else including the vast majority of American's who fall into the middle class and could never afford $300 a day tickets. That should not change. And Disney has no reason to change it.
Can you imagine a Disney that still charged the same prices that it did on opening day? I can not. Not only would it be ungodly crowded you probably would not have anything other than Disneyland with the same attractions as opening day, run down and uninspiring.
 

DisneyFans4Life

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Of course there are plenty of people who could afford $300 a day tickets. But the vast majority of Americans could not afford it. That's Poly Lover's point. This is not the place to indulge in a silly debate about creators vs. takers or question the honor of anyone, rich or poor.

Can we at least agree that Walt Disney never envisioned Disneyland or Disney World as "luxuries" designed exclusively for the amusement of rich people? Of course Disney World welcomes those "who have accumulated means and can afford luxury." But it also welcomes everyone else including the vast majority of American's who fall into the middle class and could never afford $300 a day tickets. That should not change. And Disney has no reason to change it.
This has been brought up in many threads that I've read recently...there are those who feel that Disney is an experience that should be made available to everyone and that by Disney raising its prices, they are starting to make the experience out of reach for some families.

IMO, Disney is a company just like any other and over time, companies evolve. Though it may be true that Walt originally intended Disneyland to be a place for families to go and enjoy a day of fun, that may not be the case in 2015. It does seem more and more that Disney is becoming a luxury that is going to be out of reach for some families. I can't blame Disney for this as they want to earn money (just like any for profit business). I would not want Disney to be so cheap that every family could afford it; it would make the experience horrible for everyone and Disney would not have the magical reputation that it has today. I am fortunate enough to be able to afford an AP and can go a couple times a month...others can't...it's just the way it is. I'd love to be able to spend weeks at the Atlantis resort down in the Bahamas multiple times a year, but it's out of my reach.

I just hope that Disney continues to improve its parks and expand its offerings so that the magical experience that I'm familiar with doesn't go away. If that comes with a price increase...so be it.
 

DisneyFans4Life

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Can you imagine a Disney that still charged the same prices that it did on opening day? I can not. Not only would it be ungodly crowded you probably would not have anything other than Disneyland with the same attractions as opening day, run down and uninspiring.
This would be an absolute disaster. If Disney did things today the way they did things back in the 70s (making you buy tickets for rides, etc), I wouldn't be going.
 

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