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Legacy Reviews: Spiderman 2

Legacy

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Original Poster
I know everyone has probably already seen the film, but I am posting the review anyway. It isn't as clean as past ones due to typing it on WordPad, but it's here. Have fun.
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It may be considered high-treason, but I honestly thought Spiderman 2 was not as good as the original movie. Despite the entertainment value of the film, as a movie it just doesn't stand up. There are two major reasons for this though. The first reason is a lack of originality in the story, and the second director, Sam Raimi's blatant use of camp-happy camera moves. Both of these things took so much away from the web-slinger's second outing.

Now just because I found two things that, I felt, hindered the movie, I still liked it. But the story-formula was a rehash of the first movie, where the opposite things happen. Peter Parker (Tobey Maquire) is seriously down on his luck. He can't keep a job, his grades are failing and he is so tired he forgets his own birthday. To make matters worse, his powers are beginning to fail him (rather than he acquire new ones) and Mary Jane (Kirsten Dunst) has gotten engaged (rather than has just broken up, see the opposite). Meanwhile, Dr. Otto Octavius (Alfred Molina) has an accident with his experiment that causes him to go insane, and causes someone dear to him to die (just like William Dafoe's Green Goblin). During the movie, Aunt May is taken hostage (rather than Uncle Ben) and Spiderman decides to give it up (rather than embrace his powers). Even the ending is the opposite of the first movie. The story is great to fill the seats, and keep the audience in them, but I wanted more depth. The romance between MJ and Peter is nice and all, but more hero action rather than love would have been more appropriate, I think.

I can look past the story's repitition. But the way Raimi directed this film was borderline rediculous. Raimi is best known for his creation of the Evil Dead trilogy. However, so much of the camera-work and atmosphere seemed straight out of the campy, cult classic. One scene his even nice enough to have a close-up of a running chainsaw. Most people won't catch it, but I did. Spiderman is not the place to be reliving past successes. Also, the pacing of the film seemed off. I think a lot of that had to due with the overabundance of Peter Parker and Mary Jane's relationship in the story, but with that I am just being picky.

Even though I had a couple of problems with the film does not mean I hated it, though. The fight scenes are intense and exhilerating. Doc Oc's multiple arms and their power makes the battes so much more appealing. Also, Molina does incredible job as the villian. He was nominated for a Tony in Fiddler on the Roof, and his performance in this movie proves he is worthy of one. Maquire does another phenominal job as Parker as well. The character has more depth in this film, and Parker seems to relish in it. So, there are some very good things in the film. Also, it segways nicely for the introduction of three villians for future films (for those keeping score; The Lizard, Hobgoblin and Venom).

So even though I didn't like the campiness of the film, it is still probably the best thing coming out this summer. I really liked the film. It is extremely entertaining. I guess I just wanted more meat in the movie.

3 OUT OF FOUR STARS

OVERALL SUMMARY: It would have been a four star film, if it weren't for a massive case of deja-vu. It's like the first movie with Evil Dead thrown in. That's not a bad thing, just not a good thing. Just see the film.
 

Wilt Dasney

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Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I looooved this movie, and all the plot developments fit perfectly, in my mind. The Peter/MJ thing is one of my favorite elements of the story. :)

BTW...what did you see in the second film that you thought helped set up Venom? I've seen it twice, and don't recall any references to Brock or symbiotes or the like.
 

MKCustodial

Well-Known Member
Interesting how things affect different people. I thought the hospital scene was a great homage to Evil Dead; you thought it was déja-vu.
My main problem with the filme was the apparent clause on the contract which stated Maguire couldn't wear the mask for more than 5 seconds on screen. But even though we both found flaws, we were able to enjoy a great movie overall.

Just watch out for your reputation numbers. I posted a review on another thread and got bad reputation with a message: "I disagree, sorry". :lol:
 

imagineer99

New Member
MKCustodial said:
My main problem with the filme was the apparent clause on the contract which stated Maguire couldn't wear the mask for more than 5 seconds on screen. But even though we both found flaws, we were able to enjoy a great movie overall.
I must agree with you on this one...

As soon as that mask came off once, Parker was whipping it off as much as possible. It got to the point, that everytime he felt a little hot or he wanted to take a break, he would just say "ahh, whatcha gonna do!" and that mask would come flying off.

The film wasn't perfect. However, I must give props to Raimi for simply creating such an effects heavy film without making it seem too effect heavy (if that makes any sense). It boggles my mind on how someone can keep track of all the necessary shots, when most of it is done against a blue screen. Not to mention the gi-normous (good word:)) amount of CGI. That takes serious vision.

I believe that Raimi's direction is perfect for a superhero film. It is loose enought that he manages to portray a world that is embellished (like a comic book). However, he doesn't try to make things too serious (like Ang Lee's horrid Hulk).

A good superhero flick...

I didn't go into spiderman expecting, Citizen Kane.:)
 

KevinPage

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I have yet to see the movie. The first film was good, but a bit overrated. (critics made it like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread).

The first had too much love story & too much CG, Spidey looked blantantly fake.

From what I have seen of the trailers it looks like CG Spidey makes an even bigger appearane this time around. :mad:

Also, why have Peter Parker "so tormented" by his powers? He comes off as your typical hero resentful of his powers. Stop having him complain and whine :)
 

MKCustodial

Well-Known Member
KevinPage said:
I have yet to see the movie. The first film was good, but a bit overrated. (critics made it like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread).

The first had too much love story & too much CG, Spidey looked blantantly fake.

From what I have seen of the trailers it looks like CG Spidey makes an even bigger appearane this time around. :mad:

Also, why have Peter Parker "so tormented" by his powers? He comes off as your typical hero resentful of his powers. Stop having him complain and whine :)

You can't have him not tormented, it's part of who he is.

As for CG, well, find someone who can do what Spidey does in real life and we can retire CG! :lol:
 

Legacy

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Original Poster
Wilt Dasney said:
BTW...what did you see in the second film that you thought helped set up Venom? I've seen it twice, and don't recall any references to Brock or symbiotes or the like.
That's the thing, it's not Brock. CPT John Jameson is an astronaut and when he his left at the alter, he is given a motive to go after Parker. He might not nessecarily become Venom himself, but his anger and hatred towards Parker would at least be enough to attract the symbiote the next time he's in space.

I know it's a reach, but I can still dream.
 

Shaman

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KevinPage said:
I have yet to see the movie. The first film was good, but a bit overrated. (critics made it like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread).

The first had too much love story & too much CG, Spidey looked blantantly fake.
I agree!!!! I didn't really think the first movie was anything out of this world (it wasn't bad...but it wasn't memorable either)...there was just nothing I hadn't seen movie-wise or story-wise in the first....and from the looks of it the second is the same...I'll probably end up giving this movie a chance though...and see what all the comotion is about...but I'm not going in with high hopes....

I'll probably go to hell for this but I think Daredevil was better than Spidy 1 :eek:

:lookaroun
 

MKCustodial

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You're right Oz. You ARE going to Hell. Daredevil was, hands down, Marvel's worst. Of course, there's Namor and Swamp Thing coming up, so you never know.

Spider-Man was geek's Heaven for this humble mavelite. And I REALLY wanna love 2 just as much, but every time I think about its greatness, Tobey's mug pops up in my mind and I feel like puking. He's a kick-butt Parker, but he ain't that great of a Spidey, and the fact he keeps taking off the mask doesn't help his case much.

And as for MJ, well, Dunst is starting to get on my nerves... She's too bland even for Gwen Stacy, let alone MJ... She seems so much older than she really is, it's like Pete's dating a much older woman, not a young 20-something. She needs more pep to be MJ, I think. But then, like the whole Ock deal, it's more the script's fault than the actors'.

Not Maguire, though. I bet it's his fault Spidey can't keep his mask on. :fork:
 

imagineer99

New Member
Legacy said:
That's the thing, it's not Brock. CPT John Jameson is an astronaut and when he his left at the alter, he is given a motive to go after Parker. He might not nessecarily become Venom himself, but his anger and hatred towards Parker would at least be enough to attract the symbiote the next time he's in space.

I know it's a reach, but I can still dream.
Legacy, in the comics, Jameson becomes a different villain all together...

I doubt we're going to see Venom in this trilogy. The whole concept is a little too complicated. I think that a spinoff would be warranted.
 

Shaman

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MKCustodial said:
You're right Oz. You ARE going to Hell. Daredevil was, hands down, Marvel's worst.
I've got my bags packed...hehe

Daredevil had potential...the only thing the movie lacked was further development of the dark, haunted side of Daredevil...that and maybe they could have found someone else to play the lead....Spidy 1 was over rated and I think the second is too...but hey I go see it...maybe it will blow me away....

:wave:
 

Legacy

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Original Poster
imagineer99 said:
Legacy, in the comics, Jameson becomes a different villain all together...

I doubt we're going to see Venom in this trilogy. The whole concept is a little too complicated. I think that a spinoff would be warranted.
Yeah, I was reading about Man-Wolf in the spoiler thread.

But I really don't think Man-Wolf would be that great of a villian to utilize, even as a minor one. I had never even heard of him, and with the rut of werewolf merchandising being released now, I don't think the studios would want to go that route. Kraven would be a better one.

They may not bring Venom into the next movie, but I'm saying they might (at the end of three) show Jameson on the moon, ed about MJ leaving him, and then we see a lovely black pool of something form at his feet. The symbiote has to get to earth somehow, and Jameson is the only one in the movie's universe that could bring it.
 

MKCustodial

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objr said:
I've got my bags packed...hehe

Daredevil had potential...the only thing the movie lacked was further development of the dark, haunted side of Daredevil...that and maybe they could have found someone else to play the lead....
:wave:

Definately agree on those. :)
 

MKCustodial

Well-Known Member
I can see the Venom storyline working if they do it like in the animated series. In the comics, John Jameson is introduced when Spidey saves him from a failing rocket. They kinda use that in the cartoon, only it's an out-of-control shuttle crashing in the middle of New York. Attached to its hull comes the symbiote, and when Spidey is there saving the day, he inadvertely gets in contact with the thing. He learns it's a suit, uses it, starts changing (becomes more violent), finds out the thing is alive and gets rid of it. THEN it bonds with Brock to form Venom.
Now, I understand and agree they don't necessarily need to use Brock, they can use Jameson. But if Jameson just brings it back, attracting it solely based on his hatred for Pete, it wouldn't connect the symbiote to Spidey, so it'd have time to mimic his powers. It'd be too much of a stretch from its comic book origin, and the other alternative is too much for a 150 minute movie. Maybe if they opened the movie with the shuttle saving scene... But still, it'd be a huge stretch.
 

imagineer99

New Member
objr said:
I'll probably go to hell for this but I think Daredevil was better than Spidy 1 :eek:

:lookaroun
*shakes head*

I think Daredevil may just be one of the worst movies I've ever seen...

I can't decide what was worse, Ben Afflect's ludacris performance or the film's desire to duplicate everything that Spiderman 1 already tried (a kiss in the rain anyone...)

The only movie worse than Daredevil released last year would have to either be "Gigli" or "Bringing down the House".

(I respect your opinion, I'm just messing with ya':animwink: )
 

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