Layoffs at Walt Disney World and other divisions of WDC

rael ramone

Well-Known Member
The ethical dilemma does not arise when a company is forced to lay off part of its workforce in order to survive. The dilemma occurs when a company makes record profits and rewards its executives with tremendous bonuses and then lays off its workforce anyway, even though their departure damages what remains.

Using TWDC as a simplistic and partially made-up example, after a successful year financially, Iger’s compensation increased from approximately $32 to $40 million. That $8M could have been used to keep another 300 or so CMs at WDW. Instead, the company might decide to pay Iger the $8M while simultaneously laying off those same 300 employees, creating increased workloads for those remaining resulting, ultimately, in declining customer service which, over the long run, leads to reduced revenue due to declining guest satisfaction.

WDW’s success was driven not by Iger but by the pool of employees working together to accomplish common objectives. It was those extra 300 CMs who helped make WDW successful. However, instead of rewarding them, the company terminates them. The company does not do this because the $8M is better spent increasing Iger’s compensation. After all, is Iger going to work 25% “better” because he’s paid 25% more? No. Instead, it does this because Iger and his cronies call the shots and, ultimately, make decisions that are best for them personally, not what’s best for the company as a whole.

I’m not suggesting this is what actually is happening at WDW, only what happens all too often at many companies. This sort of behavior used to be the exception to the norm but, with the post Wall Street “greed is good” mentality, it’s now all too common.

Why does this bring to my mind the movie Christmas Vacation, where 'Cousin Eddie' went and retrieved Clarks boss who replaced the bonuses that was going to pay for his pool with a 'cheese of the month club' or something of that nature...

Anyway, it's one thing to cut beyond the fat into the muscles, bones and spine of the company. I'm wondering if they are cutting deep *instead* of cutting the fat (namely, the handful of slackers protected by the union, and the handful of slackers paying themselves all these bonuses).
 

Rodan75

Well-Known Member
To be fair, as Lee said in another thread, it does stick a little in the gut when Iger just took home a $16 million bonus because the company is performing so well. In the past few days LucasArts has been closed and everyone there laid off, there have been lay-offs at ILM and now they're laying off CM's. That's quite a lot of people losing their jobs and when the CEO is being rewarded so extravangantly for a year's work there is going to be criticism. It's not just a practice at the Walt Disney Company but nevertheless you have to feel sympathy for those who have lost their jobs so abruptly. A member of this forum posted in the Spirited Observations thread about their own experience of a member of their family losing their job today and, from what they've said, the way Disney has gone about these lay-offs is completely lacking in class and common courtesy.
If you have ever taken part in an RIF, you will know this not not necessarily the case. Often those retained only have the perception of belonging to the higher performing caste. The "high performers" are often those that are the most connected not the best performing.

Agreed. There is humane way of doing this type of staffing reduction and TWDC should do everything in their power to minimize the impact to those affected.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
If you have ever taken part in an RIF, you will know this not not necessarily the case. Often those retained only have the perception of belonging to the higher performing caste. The "high performers" are often those that are the most connected not the best performing.

x100

This is never about pruning dead wood... it's about a mandate from above.. and the brokers figuring out which pieces they want to keep, and which they feel they can throw away.
 

Magenta Panther

Well-Known Member
Disney bought properties and struck license agreements for IP which he didn't own ... so let us stop with that line of thinking ... the problem is when they do new IP -Disney just wastes their potential...

Walt bought the rights to stories he didn't create, but then he went on to do a Disney version of them, often a complete re-imagining of the source material. Because he and his crew were creative like that. There were no dancing penguins or words like "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" in P.L. Travers' "Mary Poppins", for instance. There was no wishing on stars in Collodi's "Pinocchio". Walt's adaptations of other people's creations became new entities in their own right, often becoming, in the public's mind, the definitive version, BECAUSE THEY WERE SO GOOD. By contrast, there will be no such re-imagining of the Hulk or Iron Man or the Muppets - there will be no Disney version, because their big screen identities have already been well established by other non-Disney personnel. All there will be is yet ANOTHER Iron Man movie or ANOTHER Star Wars or ANOTHER Muppets - and it will all be pretty much just more of the same. That's what appealed to Eisner and Iger about buying an already-established and exploited brand, which has a built-in audience already; that takes the risk factor out of it. Eisner and Iger think like CEOs. Walt thought like a storyteller, artist and visionary. There IS a difference.
 

Rodan75

Well-Known Member
Walt bought the rights to stories he didn't create, but then he went on to do a Disney version of them, often a complete re-imagining of the source material. Because he and his crew were creative like that. There were no dancing penguins or words like "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" in P.L. Travers' "Mary Poppins", for instance. There was no wishing on stars in Collodi's "Pinocchio". Walt's adaptations of other people's creations became new entities in their own right, often becoming, in the public's mind, the definitive version, BECAUSE THEY WERE SO GOOD. By contrast, there will be no such re-imagining of the Hulk or Iron Man or the Muppets - there will be no Disney version, because their big screen identities have already been well established by other non-Disney personnel. All there will be is yet ANOTHER Iron Man movie or ANOTHER Star Wars or ANOTHER Muppets - and it will all be pretty much just more of the same. That's what appealed to Eisner and Iger about buying an already-established and exploited brand, which has a built-in audience already; that takes the risk factor out of it. Eisner and Iger think like CEOs. Walt thought like a storyteller, artist and visionary. There IS a difference.

So now we are bashing the methodology of keeping the creative with the creatives. Does anyone anyone else notice that these boards constantly bash all sides of any argument ? So Iger is less Disney because he recognizes his limits and lets Kevin Feige and Joss Whedon lead the Marvel movies and John Lasseter the Pixar movies and hands the Muppet movies to muppet fans? Disney isn't a 'holding company' , Iger is unleashing an army of Walts upon the earth.

Yes the big Disney makes mistakes...but Wall Street is behind the mouse because it is mostly doing the right things to be successful for years to come.
 

ScoutN

OV 104
Premium Member
seems odd......what about this?


http://www.wdwinfo.com/news/General_Disney_News/Walt_Disney_World_holding_online_job_fair.htm

Seems they are hiring not firing............for the CM's I hope in this case I am right!

PS I agree about Avatar, the dates moving back and back and the fighting with Cameron is pretty good evidence it will never happen. I am happy it will not happen. I enjoyed the movie, but its just not a Disney fit!

AKK

Failing to see your point. Laying off employees that more than likely are ones that have accumulated a couple dollars an hour higher over starting wage through the years to hire more at starting wage? Plenty of businesses do that during layoffs when they have a to meet a certain number of frontliners.
 

SirLink

Well-Known Member
Walt bought the rights to stories he didn't create, but then he went on to do a Disney version of them, often a complete re-imagining of the source material. Because he and his crew were creative like that. There were no dancing penguins or words like "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" in P.L. Travers' "Mary Poppins", for instance. There was no wishing on stars in Collodi's "Pinocchio". Walt's adaptations of other people's creations became new entities in their own right, often becoming, in the public's mind, the definitive version, BECAUSE THEY WERE SO GOOD. By contrast, there will be no such re-imagining of the Hulk or Iron Man or the Muppets - there will be no Disney version, because their big screen identities have already been well established by other non-Disney personnel. All there will be is yet ANOTHER Iron Man movie or ANOTHER Star Wars or ANOTHER Muppets - and it will all be pretty much just more of the same. That's what appealed to Eisner and Iger about buying an already-established and exploited brand, which has a built-in audience already; that takes the risk factor out of it. Eisner and Iger think like CEOs. Walt thought like a storyteller, artist and visionary. There IS a difference.

To the bolded point that is not a bad thing though ... I would rather have more Star Wars/Marvel/Muppets ... than anything WDAS/Pixar produce.
 

FrankLapidus

Well-Known Member
Agreed. There is humane way of doing this type of staffing reduction and TWDC should do everything in their power to minimize the impact to those affected.

Exactly, terminating employees by letter and then not answering the phone to them is completely disrespectful and lacking in courtesy. There's a way to do things and from what's been said Disney has gone about some of these lay-offs in the entirely wrong way.
 

FrankLapidus

Well-Known Member
To the bolded point that is not a bad thing though ... I would rather have more Star Wars/Marvel/Muppets ... than anything WDAS/Pixar produce.

It is a bad thing if you're a fan of WDAS which is the foundation of the company. Disney is a multimedia juggernaut now but it all began with animation and that link to it's heritage is one that should be cultivated and nurtured.

In that respect I don't see a need to worry, one of the best things Iger has done, and I give him a huge degree of credit for doing it and rectifying one of the biggest mistakes Michael Eisner made, is repair the broken relationship with Pixar and bring John Lasseter and Ed Catmull into the the Walt Disney Company and entrust the running of both WDAS and Pixar to them. Animation at Disney and Pixar is in very safe and very creative hands.
 

SirLink

Well-Known Member
It is a bad thing if you're a fan of WDAS which is the foundation of the company. Disney is a multimedia juggernaut now but it all began with animation and that link to it's heritage is one that should be cultivated and nurtured.

In that respect I don't see a need to worry, one of the best things Iger has done, and I give him a huge degree of credit for doing it and rectifying one of the biggest mistakes Michael Eisner made, is repair the broken relationship with Pixar and bring John Lasseter and Ed Catmull into the the Walt Disney Company and entrust the running of both WDAS and Pixar to them. Animation at Disney and Pixar is in very safe and very creative hands.

It is not a bad thing if you like the artistry of the films, but if your fan of the actual plots then possibly - because out of all films they have produced, WDAS/Pixar keep going over the same Disney ra-ra speeches about magic, dreams and wishes ...
 

FrankLapidus

Well-Known Member
It is not a bad thing if you like the artistry of the films, but if your fan of the actual plots then possibly - because out of all films they have produced, WDAS/Pixar keep going over the same Disney ra-ra speeches about magic, dreams and wishes ...

That's the Disney formula, like it or not that's the way it always has been and always will be. There's a formula to Star Wars and Marvel films too, it's not the same as the Disney one but it's there nonetheless, you know going in to them how the films are going to play out but if you're a fan it doesn't take away from your enjoyment of them.
 

Tim_4

Well-Known Member
I agree. LucasArts was acquired and as such brings along redundant positions and departments that are high investment non producers. Thus, a large percentage RIF at LucasArts. As for WDW, the new president has come in and has been focused on a top down review of operations and has made his list. This list is now being acted upon.
Very nice use of "RIF," a very Disney-internal word ("reduction in force" for those who don't know). That being said, (and to hopefully get this thread a bit more on-topic), operations areas are NOT the primary targets of the cost-cutting initiatives currently underway at TWDC and specifically TP&R. They're targeting a reduction in Selling, General, and Administrative expenses (SG&A). In other words, the primary focus for cuts is on areas that don't drive the business, because that's a huge expense line for TWDC and none of it is value-added activity. Think Finance, Accounting, Marketing, Sales, HR, Administration, IT, Forecasting, etc. These areas are seeing hiring freezes and reorganizations, but no layoffs (yet).

Think LucasArts or Marvel. When they were brought on, they each had (and still have) their own Finance departments, IT systems, hierarchies, etc. These things are unnecessary. LucasArts can be broken up and the appropriate pieces can be housed under the larger Studios, Consumer Products, and Interactive segments. There's no need to have them operating under their own silo. It's redundant and expensive.
 

SirLink

Well-Known Member
LucasArts can be broken up and the appropriate pieces can be housed under the larger Studios, Consumer Products, and Interactive segments. There's no need to have them operating under their own silo. It's redundant and expensive.

Here is the thing with LucasArts( remember LucasArts is the game divison of LucasFilm). Think of publisher EA hand the amount of studios they operate worldwide - most have the same administration software(but locally each have admin departments), yes you could merge Disney Interactive and LucasArts - and remove the publisher aspect of LucasArts and keep the ongoing internal software studio under the Interactive brand...

...but they killed the LucasArts because they don't want to be associated with the games business and why so much pressure has been put on Avalanche to somewhat save Disney Interactive from Disney. But the studio which was producing the Assualt and 1313 - which I got confirmation that GL kept changing the plot, after Unleashed 2 failed to meet the targets....I have friends who were at Black Rock when that was killed by Disney with their mismanagement and now are out of a job again by the hands of Disney again :(
 

Bcakd

Active Member
I don't care who they hire/fire/lay-off all I know is this: We are spending over $6000 (for 3) in May to have a classic wonderful 9 day Disney Vacation. I do not expect less than that. And I will NOT accept less than that! I want to leave the parks every night whistleling "Zippitty doo dah" out my bum"!!! If they have employees that aren't making me feel that way...(because let's face it, the CM are the maker/breaker of the day) then I will be ed! No one has a great day everyday, I'm the first to admit. But, These CMs are on the front line to the guests experience. If they aren't happy, they sure as heck aren't going to care if my family is happy. I understand that they are all probably living in fear day to day about there jobs....how can they have the gumption or even care if my vacation is great! AND THAT IS WHAT MAKES ME MAD!!! Not at the CM, but mad at TWDC. They are focusing on the wrong people. These are the people I want happy. These are the people who help me decide wether or not will be back next year. I beg of you Disney......LEAVE THE PARKS AND RESORTS AND CRUISES ALONE...AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THEM!!!!! Thats where we spend our money! Cut some of your crappy ESPN channels.....let the local stations carry those....or whatever..I don't care!! JUST LEAVE WDW AND IT'S CM ALONE!!!!! You will regret it if you don't. People will stop coming. I KNOW WE WILL!!
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
These are the people I want happy. These are the people who help me decide wether or not will be back next year. I beg of you Disney......LEAVE THE PARKS AND RESORTS AND CRUISES ALONE...AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THEM!!!!! Thats where we spend our money! Cut some of your crappy ESPN channels.....let the local stations carry those....or whatever..I don't care!! JUST LEAVE WDW AND IT'S CM ALONE!!!!! You will regret it if you don't. People will stop coming. I KNOW WE WILL!!

If they even do get around to layoffs at the Park & Resorts group, it's not the in-park uniformed CM's they ever go after. And it's generally not their immediate bosses they go after either.

It's the back of house, administrative roles that do stuff that have very, very little impact (or absolutely no impact at all) on anyone working inside a park or resort. In WDW, they have several administrative complexes in generic business parks around Kissimmee chock full of cubicles. ( @WDW1974 knows where these are exactly) But these are the white collar and clerical folks they will lay off, who never set foot in a park or hotel during their work week. (Many of whom insultingly feel they now have a "real job" at Disney because they got out of a theme park and into a cubicle somewhere.)

They and their bosses can trump up their ethereal electronic and paper pushing contributions to the WDW operation, but when it's time for layoffs dictated by Burbank all it takes is a hard look at what they really do to realize much of their work is of little value to the daily operation of theme parks and hotels. Buh bye.

This is not exclusive to Disney. It happens in all great companies who make or deliver actual products to living customers. Get too far removed from the salesfloor and the trenches (in this case, an operating theme park), and your cushy cubicle job can be gone in an instant when corporate whims dictate.

But the girl ringing up your souvenirs at the Emporium? The man driving the Jungle Cruise boat? The friendly server at Jiko? Their jobs are safe, and always are during these white collar layoffs of random cubicle dwellers.
 

WDWFigment

Well-Known Member
It is not a bad thing if you like the artistry of the films, but if your fan of the actual plots then possibly - because out of all films they have produced, WDAS/Pixar keep going over the same Disney ra-ra speeches about magic, dreams and wishes ...

I know it's popular to knock Disney's current fixation with "pixie dust, magic, dreams, and wishes," and from the perspective that these things are used as lazy marketing, I agree.

From the perspective of animation, all of these things were salient themes of Walt Disney-era animated films produced by Disney. If anything, I think recent films like Wall*E, Ratatouille, Wreck-It-Ralph, and others have substantially deviated from the classic Disney formula both in terms of art and plot.

Now all of the sequels...that's a different story entirely.
 

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