Lack of Kingdom Hearts in the parks

[WereMagicLives]

It doesn't help that the franchise has gotten stupidly convoluted over the years. What with Xehanort being like five people or Sora having all those squatters in his head right now.

read the storyline it all makes sense what is actually going on

 

[Testtrack321]

I've always thought there were some licensing issues since I think some of the costumes/characters are co-owned with Square-Enix, similar to the Roger Rabbit situation.

 

[CaptJapan]

in terms of kingdom hearts being known to the public.
i doubt anyone knew of song of the south before they built splash mountain.

kingdom hearts may not be mainstream but it certainly has a large following, a large following with money to burn.
video games have already surpassed hollywood and if disney doesn't put more effort into their gaming division they will miss out.
for a company with it's own city (walt disney world) they sure didn't advertise epic mickey as much as they should have.

A good example would be fantasmic. give mickey a keyblade and you've pretty much got a kingdom hearts show.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I've always thought there were some licensing issues since I think some of the costumes/characters are co-owned with Square-Enix, similar to the Roger Rabbit situation.

Nope. Disney owns all the original content, all of it.

read the storyline it all makes sense what is actually going on

I do read and follow the storyline. Doesn't mean it's unnecessarily convoluted and just alienates new players. The original game was a very Disney story but it's just transformed into some crappy shonen anime.

 

[wizards8507]

video games have already surpassed hollywood and if disney doesn't put more effort into their gaming division they will miss out.

Are you seriously that clueless? I apologize for the tone but unfounded claims are particularly irritating when they're downright false.

The United States video game market was $10.5 billion in 2009. The US Motion picture industry generated close to $100 billion.

Fail.

A good example would be fantasmic. give mickey a keyblade and you've pretty much got a kingdom hearts show.

Except nobody knows what a keyblade is. You just proved the the product is good enough without an obscure tie-in to appease the basement dwellers.

 

[Disneyfan1981]

Honestly, I loved the games but it'd be weird to see a heartless walking around the park save for Halloween. While you can dress the Disney characters in their KH guises, how many people would recognize Sora or Kairi? Not to mention where to put them? They don't seem to fit anywhere...

 

[erasure fan1]

Are you seriously that clueless? I apologize for the tone but unfounded claims are particularly irritating when they're downright false.

The United States video game market was $10.5 billion in 2009. The US Motion picture industry generated close to $100 billion.

Fail.

As far as I can find, if you take box office ticket sales V.S. video game software sales the numbers are even. Movies still have the edge based on DVD sales and rentals, although I couldnt find any info on video game rentals or if the used game market is added into the software numbers. The point being is I dont think its as big of a fail as you think. Halo 3 made 170 mil the first day and gta4 made like 500 mil in its first week or so. Call of duty black opps and modern warfare 2 made 360 and 310 mil on day one as well. No movie has ever done any of that.

 

[coldasice880]

As far as I can find, if you take box office ticket sales V.S. video game software sales the numbers are even. Movies still have the edge based on DVD sales and rentals, although I couldnt find any info on video game rentals or if the used game market is added into the software numbers. The point being is I dont think its as big of a fail as you think. Halo 3 made 170 mil the first day and gta4 made like 500 mil in its first week or so. Call of duty black opps and modern warfare 2 made 360 and 310 mil on day one as well. No movie has ever done any of that.

No movie has done any of that? Evidently your not thinking of Avatar.

 

[erasure fan1]

No movie has done any of that? Evidently your not thinking of Avatar.

Youre right, Im not. Avatar made 73 mil opening day.

 

[coldasice880]

Also, how about Toy Story 3, Alice in Wonderland, Iron Man 2, Inception, The Blind Side, Shrek Forever After, Despicable Me, Alvin and the Chipmunks 1 and 2, How to Train Your Dragon... Just to name a few more. As you can see I am a huge movie buff.

 

[erasure fan1]

Also, how about Toy Story 3, Alice in Wonderland, Iron Man 2, Inception, The Blind Side, Shrek Forever After, Despicable Me, Alvin and the Chipmunks 1 and 2, How to Train Your Dragon... Just to name a few more. As you can see I am a huge movie buff.

If you didnt see the theme, Im talking about what they did the first day. The point is not to say video games are better than movies, but show how close they actually are.

 

[coldasice880]

In that retrospect they are growing closer by the day... however I thought I read in the thread that somebody had stated that movies had become inferior to video games which is not the case.

 

[erasure fan1]

In that retrospect they are growing closer by the day... however I thought I read in the thread that somebody had stated that movies had become inferior to video games which is not the case.

You are correct, but the disparity between the 2 is A LOT closer than that poster made it seem.

 

[wizards8507]

No movie has ever done any of that.

That's comparing apples and oranges. Movie theaters sell out so they have a natural limit as to how much revenue they can generate on an opening weekend. Unless there's a serious miscalculation, video games aren't going to "sell out," making for virtually limitless opening weekends but huge drop offs thereafter. There are only so many seats in the theater for opening movie weekends but every frat boy and high school kid can buy Call of Duty the day it comes out.

Also, video games retail new for $60. If a movie ticket is $10, a DVD is $20, and a Bluray is $30, you have to multiply the dollar discrepancy by at least two to get the true difference in the number of units moved by each medium.

 

[David Roberts]

That's comparing apples and oranges. Movie theaters sell out so they have a natural limit as to how much revenue they can generate on an opening weekend. Unless there's a serious miscalculation, video games aren't going to "sell out," making for virtually limitless opening weekends but huge drop offs thereafter. There are only so many seats in the theater for opening movie weekends but every frat boy and high school kid can buy Call of Duty the day it comes out.

Also, video games retail new for $60. If a movie ticket is $10, a DVD is $20, and a Bluray is $30, you have to multiply the dollar discrepancy by at least two to get the true difference in the number of units moved by each medium.

That's true. I guarentee that if you looked at video game units sold and compared it to movie tickets sold that the gap would be pretty significant.

 

[JimboJones123]

I am kinda surprised that Disney World doesnt do a better job of promoting this branch for the company. I don't know if meet and greets are the right answer, but a King Mickey would be more welcome to the general guest than Friar Tuck, Goodfellow, or even the raccoon from Pocahantas (see, I can't even name that one).

Maybe a Disney Interactive land of Disney Studios would show how serious the company is about their video game properties?

 

[Random Vids Inc]

I've seen some of the stuff in the Japan pavilion. Mostly a bunch of hats.

 

[erasure fan1]

That's comparing apples and oranges. Movie theaters sell out so they have a natural limit as to how much revenue they can generate on an opening weekend. Unless there's a serious miscalculation, video games aren't going to "sell out," making for virtually limitless opening weekends but huge drop offs thereafter. There are only so many seats in the theater for opening movie weekends but every frat boy and high school kid can buy Call of Duty the day it comes out.

Also, video games retail new for $60. If a movie ticket is $10, a DVD is $20, and a Bluray is $30, you have to multiply the dollar discrepancy by at least two to get the true difference in the number of units moved by each medium.

That's true. I guarentee that if you looked at video game units sold and compared it to movie tickets sold that the gap would be pretty significant.

Again, Im just showing that video games are closer to movies than you might think. In 2008 GTA4 made almost as much in its first week as the dark knight made in its entire theatrical release.(domestic) So to under sell the power of video games would be unfair.

 

[Testtrack321]

Again, Im just showing that video games are closer to movies than you might think. In 2008 GTA4 made almost as much in its first week as the dark knight made in its entire theatrical release.(domestic) So to under sell the power of video games would be unfair.

Profit wise video games are huge. Mind share, they're still significantly behind. You cannot compare $60 price points to $12 price points.

 

[erasure fan1]

Profit wise video games are huge. Mind share, they're still significantly behind. You cannot compare $60 price points to $12 price points.

We can all make points for our sides. I would say the comparison should be closer to $60 price points to 40$ or so price points because a family buys the game once but has to get 3 or 4 tickets for their family. Either way it really doesnt matter. Games, like you said, make a lot of profit and why would Disney not want a bigger piece of that pie.