LA Times: Is Disney Paying Its Fair Share In Anaheim

Disney Irish

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Not that it will make a difference, but a couple of news outlets including the Washington Post are boycotting advance film screenings. There has also been a few comments on twitter from journalists criticizing Disney for their move.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/journalists-boycott-disney-films-la-times-snub-1055338

And in a related note, Disney films will still make Billions of dollars worldwide. And with the recent rumor of Disney in talks to buy most of 21st Century Fox, including the film studio, these reviewers won't have anything to review.
 

Travel Junkie

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And in a related note, Disney films will still make Billions of dollars worldwide. And with the recent rumor of Disney in talks to buy most of 21st Century Fox, including the film studio, these reviewers won't have anything to review.

Disney is definitely flexing its muscle in a number of ways. If no one had heard yet, Disney is putting the screws on theaters. They have made unprecedented demands on being able to show the Last Jedi including taking the largest cut of a film ever. Of course theaters pretty much have to say yes as they have to show The Last Jedi even if they make very little off of it.
 

Pixieish

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Disney is definitely flexing its muscle in a number of ways. If no one had heard yet, Disney is putting the screws on theaters. They have made unprecedented demands on being able to show the Last Jedi including taking the largest cut of a film ever. Of course theaters pretty much have to say yes as they have to show The Last Jedi even if they make very little off of it.

That didn't set a record though...oddly enough.
 

Disney Irish

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Disney is definitely flexing its muscle in a number of ways. If no one had heard yet, Disney is putting the screws on theaters. They have made unprecedented demands on being able to show the Last Jedi including taking the largest cut of a film ever. Of course theaters pretty much have to say yes as they have to show The Last Jedi even if they make very little off of it.

Its only up 1% over what they setup as the deal for Force Awakens, 65% versus 64%. Theaters will still make a boat load of money not just from ticket sales but from concessions, so it evens out in the end. Last Jedi will likely hit over $1 Billion domestically, more than Force Awakens, with the return of Mark Hamill.
 
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Look at the story, it is basically an unpolitical story that converted into one due to selected editing. And since CNN did the editing (and others), who should I post. The first video is the full "story", or should I say non-story.

But here is another site covering the selected editing.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ke-president-trump-look-like-bum-japan-video/

Got it. I agree with you that the first report that left out Abe doing the same thing first was unfair. Still doesn't change the fact that Trump is incompetent, just like any false reporting in the LAT story (which hasn't been proven) changes the fact that Disney/Disneyland has engaged in corrupt business practices.
 

Darkbeer1

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Look, the LA Times selectively edited the Disney article to "prove" that Disney is evil, and that Tait/Moreno are the saviors to the city. Disney is upset that the article left out a lot of facts, including the true identities of people they quoted. (aka Union Reps), just like the one sided video CNN aired.

I do find it interesting that the LA Times complained about the company wining and dining politicians, but no complaining they aren't get special treatment in covering events.

And I have attended some of the "political" events the parks host, there is something called the "Friends of..." lists, which consists of park supporters, including preferred vendors, politicians and others. (not Media). Sometimes the events get combined, the Friends list gets the nice meal and gifts (mementos), while the press gets a waiting area, and maybe a small amount of basic snacks and soft drinks. Sometimes, I had both credentials, which confused some folks, but after a quick explanation, was taken care of.

At one event (I started the day in Istanbul, Turkey and flew to LAX) and had dinner that night, was specifically seated with a State Assemblyperson and their family to talk about the event and the story behind it. The event was not covered by the Media. I was an invited guest before the request and got a free Hotel Room on property as a Thank You for honoring the seating request.

These are real world ways of doing business.
 
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Look, the LA Times selectively edited the Disney article to "prove" that Disney is evil, and that Tait/Moreno are the saviors to the city.

It's really beside the point now that Disney has sanctioned the LAT for reporting a story that it didn't like. Even if you don't take issue with Disney's too cozy relationship in Anaheim politics then you should at the very least be bothered by Disney using coercion to influence news organizations to publish only favorable stories about its business.

The most troubling part about all this to me is that ABC News is Disney, which puts the company smack dab in the same boat as any other global television and radio news network. In other words through its news division Disney wields enormous control over the journalistic reporting of every aspect of its business from its political dealings to reviews of films released by its movie studio. Thus, I'm having a very hard time taking Disney's side on both the Anaheim dealings and its subsequent punishment of the LAT. YMMV.
 

flynnibus

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Even if you don't take issue with Disney's too cozy relationship in Anaheim politics then you should at the very least be bothered by Disney using coercion to influence news organizations to publish only favorable stories about its business

If that is what you take from this... you need an intervention and stop taking slivers and extrapolating them into your own creations. This isn't about 'not favorable' stories... it's about crafting and distortion.

Like the original story.. you don't understand the norm and take the bait and run with it. Just like you've done here... again.

Flashy light... follow the flashy light...
 
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If that is what you take from this... you need an intervention and stop taking slivers and extrapolating them into your own creations. This isn't about 'not favorable' stories... it's about crafting and distortion.

And crafting and distortion isn't what Disney is doing by throwing money at lobbyists and by trying to thwart news journalists from writing negative stories about its business? Either you are stupid, a hypocrite, or both. I've been posting here for a few years now and I'm still not sure which it is.
 

Darkbeer1

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Do you know who is the number one group that lobbies the California Legislators?

I think most folks will be surprised, but it does make sense, since it is the group that gets the most from the state..

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-road-map-lobbying-local-governments-20170806-story.html

So everyone lobbies, the government lobbies companies like Amazon and Disney to get them to build and employ in their jurisdictions. Companies lobby back for the best deal they can get.

That is what happened in the 1990's, Long Beach and Anaheim offered the best deals to get Disney to build a new park, and Disney did use that to get both cities to make better deals. And Anaheim, at the time, decided that to get Disney and other major businesses in the area to increase the TOT taxes, and get a bond that helped the city expand its moneymaker, the Convention Center, plus gave Disney a perk, all paid for by tourists (not residents) was a win, as shown by the city's own press release.
 
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Darkbeer1

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So let's look at the 1995 deal, the city gave up nothing out of pocket, used its tax-exempt status to get a lower bond rate, and got federal and state transportation funding by building the parking structure, which in return got paid off by the increased TOT taxes, which has now paid for many other city projects, including an increase to the general fund.

>>According to a Fiscal Impact Report completed by the Sedway Kotin Mouchly Group, a real estate and urban economics consulting firm, The Disneyland Resort expansion would generate $25 million annually in new public revenues to the City of Anaheim, $10 million annually to Orange County and $35 million per year to the State of California.

In addition, the project would generate more than $1.4 billion annually in economic activity for Southern California and create an estimated 14,500 jobs - 8,100 of which would be in Anaheim.<<

And that is a win in my book.
 
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SuddenStorm

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Disney is definitely flexing its muscle in a number of ways. If no one had heard yet, Disney is putting the screws on theaters. They have made unprecedented demands on being able to show the Last Jedi including taking the largest cut of a film ever. Of course theaters pretty much have to say yes as they have to show The Last Jedi even if they make very little off of it.

They'll make tons- between concessions, ticket sales, and the additional traffic their theater will have.

It's my understanding that theaters often have agreements with the studios that allow the split of ticket sales between theaters and studios to fluctuate throughout the duration of the theatrical run. For example, it could start at 90% to studios opening night, but then shift towards theaters, so next week the studios get 80%, then 70%, etc.- but in lieu of this, Disney is taking a flat cut throughout the entire run.

But, the most basic way to look at this- Disney paid a lot of money for the rights to Star Wars, and paid a lot of money to have The Last Jedi made. They own the film, and have every right to set conditions on theaters to play their film. If a theater were to decide that Disney's demands are too extreme, and would be detrimental to the theater's profits- it is within the right of the theater to not show the film. They aren't owed anything by Disney. If enough theaters were to do this, it would hurt Disney- but I doubt any theaters have so I don't blame Disney for getting the best deal they can to maximize their revenue.
 

Disney Irish

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I understand this is a political discussion, which often gets heated. But please don't start calling another poster names, that doesn't help with the conversation/debate.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, which is usually based on our personal experiences. Some will see this in favor of Disney, some will see it in favor of Anaheim, and some will even see it right down the middle.

Now back to the topic at hand, thank you....
 

Disney Irish

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Got it. I agree with you that the first report that left out Abe doing the same thing first was unfair. Still doesn't change the fact that Trump is incompetent, just like any false reporting in the LAT story (which hasn't been proven) changes the fact that Disney/Disneyland has engaged in corrupt business practices.

So I'm trying to follow along with your train of thought...

What do you find corrupt about Disney's business practices in regards to this topic? If you can bullet point it that might be helpful for people to understand where you are coming from.
 

flynnibus

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And crafting and distortion isn't what Disney is doing by throwing money at lobbyists and by trying to thwart news journalists from writing negative stories about its business?

Again... you start from a fact, and take it complete into fantasyland. You can't have a respected opinion in a discussion when you can't keep hyperbole out of your facts.
 

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