Knott's gets politically correct and closes a "Scary Farm" attraction

Darkbeer1

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Original Poster
I was just reading the comments in the LA Times article I linked at originally...

Talk about some TOUGH and rough comments...

But it seems like the vast majority are saying that it is an over reaction, and that the attraction should have stayed open.

I hope that the actual VR experience ends up online, since I just got a new Alcatel Idol 4S with VR headset.....
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Everyone needs to get over themselves. Measuring society based on small groups who are "offended" will send us into a deadlock of boredom. In fact, it smacks of tyranny.

The father has a right to be upset only if his son, or his son's death (which is understandably tragic), is directly involved with the attraction, which it is not. He does NOT have a right to imply that the attraction offends unless his SON was the primary target of it, and his son was not. The best he can come up with is that his son's affliction is remotely connected to the conditions expressed (and exaggerated, that's what entertainment does, exaggerate) in the attraction.

I'm sure most people would find mental treatment rather boring, because it is.

Grow up, grow out, and stop being and/or capitulating to the emotionally handicapped snowflakes of society.

They have rights, but there is no right not to be offended, and there should never be, because they CHOOSE their offense. No matter what you do, someone, somewhere, will find some reason to be offended. It's time to stop giving these people platforms.

Being "offended" does not immediately grant someone the ethical, nor the logical, superiority in any situation. It just means they find it offensive, and that is their problem to get over, not society's.

If society en large finds it offensive, than they will not attend, and the free market will be influenced by reality. But attempting to sway and shame society into not consuming something which they are interested in consuming, simply because you've decided you find it offensive for whatever reason, is just...sad...

I am getting really tired of these trends.
 
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TP2000

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You know who Knott's Berry Farm really doesn't care about?!?... Boysenberries!

Knott's harvests them by the millions every year, and none of them deserve to die. Last time I went to Mrs. Knott's Chicken Dinner Restaurant as I was walking from the parking lot I could hear the boysenberries screaming as the harvesting continued and they were crushed into pies and juices and jams and syrups. The hostess at the Chicken Dinner Restaurant tried to tell me the screams were just people on Ghostrider, but I know the truth.

Wait, what about the chickens?!? They get no respect at Knott's Berry Farm either!

I'm going back to change.org to start another petition...
 

Darkbeer1

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Original Poster
Oh my Gosh, I have Boysenberry's growing in my backyard...

And within two blocks of my house, a neighbor has chickens in his front yard.

And I remember once walking near Independence Hall at Knott's one evening, picking up a chicken out of a tree branch and scaring my friends with it.(But treated it humanely and returned it to its roost).

All three are true things....
 

Darkbeer1

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https://www.change.org/p/matt-ouime...A&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

>>Oct 5, 2016 — Thank you everyone for the support and for sharing this. I know many of you have heard about this on the news and on the various talk radio shows Ive been on speaking about it. I wanted to let you know that I have not given up the fight. BUT, I have heard rumors, that its coming back, that its coming back next year, and that its been dismantled. None of these have been confirmed as of now. I am hoping to find out more on thursday. For those of you who signed that are haunt monsters keep an eye out for stickers, I am in the process of having them made. Keep sharing the link and talking to people about it! I have come across a great deal of knotts people and monsters who havent heard a lick of information, so spread the word. Even if we do not get it back this year, it is important to make a solid stand against the censoring of halloween haunt attractions otherwise we may be left with a very tame haunt for the years to come.<<
 

Darkbeer1

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Interesting article...

http://www.dailynews.com/opinion/20...ror-does-more-harm-than-good-guest-commentary

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Despite the maxim today, we are not in an age of rampant political correctness. We are in an age of narcissists seeking fame by any means. Activism is fact-based, recognizes context and nuance of language, and realizes that blocking people from talking about or viewing material perceived as sensitive only makes the issue a taboo and prevents education and social commentary. We need to think rationally.




We aren’t protecting the mentally ill by shutting down the Knott’s attraction. We are in fact locking the mentally ill away and pretending they don’t exist.<<
 

Andrew_Ryan

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I read all the articles, and I have to side with the activists on this one. All you have to do is google the term "stigma" and you will undoubtedly run into articles discussing our problematic handling of mental health in our society. These horror cliche's just feed into that stigma.

This attraction feels like a natural evolution of horror video games like Outlast. Themed entertainment tends to test new experiences with established genre tropes (aliens, pirates, haunted houses, etc), and the problematic theme of this attraction was an unfortunate byproduct of that experiment.

I think the activism surrounding this is a good thing, and I hope Knotts tries an experience like this again with a less controversial topic.

In regards to the LA Daily News article, I think it is too easy to accuse people who speak their mind about issues as having some hidden, narcissistic agenda. Otherwise, what are we doing on this forum, if not that same exact thing?
 

Stevek

Well-Known Member
Ultimately, Knott's made the right business decision by bowing to the pressure to close this maze. They don't have to deal with anymore bad press and they know full well that it will likely have zero impact on their business...and quite honestly, if you are offended by them closing one of X number of mazes and really need to sign a petition...you really need to get out a bit more and are just as bad as the folks signing petitions to "bring back the rainforest" or "Save Aladdin." Put that energy into something that is really useful instead.
 

yookeroo

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Ultimately, Knott's made the right business decision by bowing to the pressure to close this maze. They don't have to deal with anymore bad press and they know full well that it will likely have zero impact on their business...and quite honestly, if you are offended by them closing one of X number of mazes and really need to sign a petition...you really need to get out a bit more and are just as bad as the folks signing petitions to "bring back the rainforest" or "Save Aladdin." Put that energy into something that is really useful instead.

Yeah. I would've preferred they keep the attraction, but I can't be arsed to sign a petition. It's a temporary attraction in an amusement park. Move on.
 

AndyS2992

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What bothered me were the two mothers who tried to sue Universal because a Horror Nights actress was stayed in character and called their pre-teen daughters "who*es." They even got Gloria Allred as their attorney. SMH.
You what? That's not acceptable at all and that actress would have had an ear full from me had she said that to my daughter/mother/sister etc and I would have complained to managment too. Suing is a bit OTT but I would not have been happy about that at all.
 

Californian Elitist

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You what? That's not acceptable at all and that actress would have had an ear full from me had she said that to my daughter/mother/sister etc and I would have complained to managment too. Suing is a bit OTT but I would not have been happy about that at all.

Pero why? The woman was completely in character. She was doing her job. It was very entertaining to watch her be in character and none of the guests (that I personally witnessed) were offended by her comments because they knew they were part of her act. Those kids weren't the only ones getting called names.

Universal warns people every year that Horror Nights is for adults. There's nothing about Horror Nights that remotely screams family friendly. The atmosphere is not kid friendly whatsoever, so why someone would be offended about their CHILD getting called a derogatory name (not of nowhere, but as entertainment and staying in character) at an ADULT event, I don't know. That's like taking your child to see an R-rated film, then being horrified by the content and proceeding to complain to the manager.
 

GiveMeTheMusic

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Pero why? The woman was completely in character. She was doing her job. It was very entertaining to watch her be in character and none of the guests (that I personally witnessed) were offended by her comments because they knew they were part of her act. Those kids weren't the only ones getting called names.

Universal warns people every year that Horror Nights is for adults. There's nothing about Horror Nights that remotely screams family friendly. The atmosphere is not kid friendly whatsoever, so why someone would be offended about their CHILD getting called a derogatory name (not of nowhere, but as entertainment and staying in character) at an ADULT event, I don't know. That's like taking your child to see an R-rated film, then being horrified by the content and proceeding to complain to the manager.

Yup. And the parents weren't even there. They sent their daughter to HHN with a friend and they got berated by a character whose purpose was to berate the audience. Clearly they were expecting a "Let It Go" singalong and not an adults-only horror event. Clueless parents let their kid go to an event they had no business being at and then decided to ruin it for everyone else.

The people who complained about the FearVR attraction never even experienced it. I personally find it offensive that the complainers conflate demon possession with mental illness. If that's not stigmatization, nothing is, and the "advocates" did it, not Knott's.

The culture of offense is monstrous and damaging to everyone involved.
 

Disneyhead'71

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I don't understand why parks have to put all this offensive stuff in their horror mazes. Making fun of mentally ill people is inappropriate. As is making fun of dead people. Wiccans hate the witch mazes. People with porphyria get offended at the the vampire mazes. Haitians think Zomies are making fun of their deep seated religious beliefs.

Heck, evangelicals would be terrified of what they would find in a Rainbow My Little Pony maze.

Probably best if the horror mazes are nothing but bubble wrap and packing peanuts.
 

Andrew_Ryan

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I don't understand why parks have to put all this offensive stuff in their horror mazes. Making fun of mentally ill people is inappropriate. As is making fun of dead people. Wiccans hate the witch mazes. People with porphyria get offended at the the vampire mazes. Haitians think Zomies are making fun of their deep seated religious beliefs.

Heck, evangelicals would be terrified of what they would find in a Rainbow My Little Pony maze.

Probably best if the horror mazes are nothing but bubble wrap and packing peanuts.

One of those was a legit thing. The rest was just sarcasm.
 

Darkbeer1

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Original Poster
Interesting article about how hard it is to run a Haunted Attraction...

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-halloween-haunts-20161011-snap-story.html

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“It’s getting so expensive that unless you have $300,000 to put into it and $100,000 into marketing, you are not going to make it,” said Jeff Schiefelbein, chief executive of Sinister Pointe Productions, an Orange County company that builds haunted attractions for theme parks and individual entrepreneurs.

“Almost every independent haunted house we’ve built for someone no longer exists,” he said. “They maybe last two years, and that’s it.”

In fact, Schiefelbein said he is thinking of discontinuing his own haunted attraction in Fullerton — after 20 years in operation — because of expensive and time-consuming government regulations, including fire-safety requirements imposed by city officials.<<
 

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