Kids in bars?

[OneofThree]

I was merely referring to the fact that people have cited that people under 21 'can't' sit at a bar. In most states (including Florida), they legally can sit at the bar, but many establishments forbid it. I cited the FL fact sheet.

The pdf you cited is very useful for a discussion of the dangers of underage drinking which is certainly not something I plan to get into (live it every day of 24 years teaching in public high schools).

In no way directed toward you personally, in the interest of full disclosure.

 

[Prince-1]

There may be a problem with them sitting AT the bar. Technically they are not supposed to sit AT the bar. They can be in the bar, but not sitting at the bar.

This seems to be sporadically enforced with no rhyme or reason. Other than that, there are only a few places that are strictly over 21 - such as Jellyrolls.

-dave

Actually there is no law that prohibits minors from sitting at a bar. Bars can make their own rules to stop them if they want. That is their choice. They can't obviously be served alcohol.

https://www.servsafe.com/downloads/pdfs/ssa-key-laws/florida

 

[Bronson55]

Had reservations for Prime Time Cafe a couple of years ago and had a bit of a wait. Decided to have a drink with my wife at the bar which if you have been there know it is really small. There weren't any seats available but I saw one guy with three children each easily under the age of ten. I didn't say anything because it wasn't worth the chance of ruining anyone's day. Frankly I had no rights to those seats and what was he to do with his kids anyway. I do think ,especially at that small bar an adults only rule would have been appropriate. We did order drinks and brought them to a couch but since I had my big boy pants on I wanted to sit at the bar

 

[drwadadli]

Actually there is no law that prohibits minors from sitting at a bar. Bars can make their own rules to stop them if they want. That is their choice. They can't obviously be served alcohol.

https://www.servsafe.com/downloads/pdfs/ssa-key-laws/florida

LOL.....your link was already covered on the first page of this thread

 

[Prince-1]

LOL.....your link was already covered on the first page of this thread

Cool...didn't see that.

 

[Prince-1]

Not intending to shoot the messenger here, but kids sitting at a bar. . . like we should need statutes to tell us this isn't really great parenting.

Oh great, another parenting expert. Lol.

 

[Prince-1]

It is kinda understood that to sit AT the bar you have to be over 21 no-matter-what. Division of Alcoholic Beverage and Tobacco rules. Just like no one under 21 is allowed to sit a slot machine or gaming table in Las Vegas or any other gaming city. I understand that your daughter was drinking a Shirley Temple but that is the rules.

As already stated that was our indeed NOT the rules.

 

[OneofThree]

Oh great, another parenting expert. Lol.

Actually. . . nevermind.

Let's just say that one need not be any sort of expert to recognize the obvious. Then again, if one is the type of person to insert one's foot in one's mouth before bothering to actually read the preceding posts, a entire team of experts is unlikely to help.

 

[pajammies]

Actually. . . nevermind.

Let's just say that one need not be any sort of expert to recognize the obvious. Then again, if one is the type of person to insert one's foot in one's mouth before bothering to actually read the preceding posts, a entire team of experts is unlikely to help.

I'm not sure what post you are referring to. I don't see any post in this thread that indicates someone is going to give their child alcohol. The discussion was whether or not a child could/should sit AT the bar.
Although I, being the OP, was not even intending for that discussion to come up

 

[OneofThree]

I'm not sure what post you are referring to.

This:

Actually there is no law that prohibits minors from sitting at a bar. Bars can make their own rules to stop them if they want. That is their choice. They can't obviously be served alcohol.

https://www.servsafe.com/downloads/pdfs/ssa-key-laws/florida

LOL.....your link was already covered on the first page of this thread

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The discussion was whether or not a child could/should sit AT the bar.
Although I, being the OP, was not even intending for that discussion to come up

That's OK. The point addresses the entire discussion, beginning with the thread title.

 

[pajammies]

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That's OK. The point addresses the entire discussion, beginning with the thread title.

If you're making assumptions, you can just stop. The thread title was the simplest way to ask the question. Have I ever brought my child into a bar...no, has my child ever sat a bar...no, do I even drink...no! We like food, there was a couple of places, lounges to be exact, that we wanted to try the menu, hence the question. But no one in this thread has indicated that serving minors alcohol was a good thing. Not sure where you're going with this.

 

[21stamps]

If you're making assumptions, you can just stop. The thread title was the simplest way to ask the question. Have I ever brought my child into a bar...no, has my child ever sat a bar...no, do I even drink...no! We like food, there was a couple of places, lounges to be exact, that we wanted to try the menu, hence the question. But no one in this thread has indicated that serving minors alcohol was a good thing. Not sure where you're going with this.

Like I said earlier, My kid goes in the lounges at WDW with me.. and other vacation spots whenever he is allowed.
There’s been a few on this site who act all outraged or condescending about it.
It’s amusing

I could care less. My kiddo likes his fruity drinks, we like the low key atmosphere, and the food... especially the “no reservations” aspect.

 

[Prince-1]

Actually. . . nevermind.

Let's just say that one need not be any sort of expert to recognize the obvious. Then again, if one is the type of person to insert one's foot in one's mouth before bothering to actually read the preceding posts, a entire team of experts is unlikely to help.

Read every post including your ignorant one and if you think sitting at a bar with a minor that serves food in a restaurant such as any place in Disney is bad parenting then I’ll ask why?

 

[pajammies]

Like I said earlier, My kid goes in the lounges at WDW with me.. and other vacation spots whenever he is allowed.
There’s been a few on this site who act all outraged or condescending about it.
It’s amusing

I could care less. My kiddo likes his fruity drinks, we like the low key atmosphere, and the food... especially the “no reservations” aspect.

I'M looking forward to those fruity drinks too, lol. I'm all over anything with passion fruit!

 

[21stamps]

Read every post including your ignorant one and if you think sitting at a bar with a minor that serves food in a restaurant such as any place in Disney is bad parenting then I’ll ask why?

I’ve been told by people on this site that it’s “WRONG!” And “BAD PARENTING!” because of inappropriate behavior that goes on in alcohol-focused establishments.

I don’t know what lounges those people frequent at home, but I have never encountered such a thing with my child.

Maybe some people don’t drink alcohol at all around their children is all I can come up with.
If they do order a drink at a dinner table with the children present, then any criticism wouldn’t make much sense.

 

[GoofGoof]

I don’t think it’s bad parenting to have your kid at a bar at WDW. There are almost no real bars there anyway. Most people expect to see kids and aren’t expecting a quiet/relaxing atmosphere or a hardcore drinking scene either. It is what it is. Disney makes the rules (including allowing kids to sit at the actual bar) so you can’t blame the parents for following the rules.

I do think WDW desperately needs a few more adult only locations. There’s enough demand. I think having the time cutoff is a good compromise. Flip the switch at 9 or 10PM and make some places adult only. I think at a minimum each deluxe resort should have 1 of these adults only lounge/bar areas. I think the reason they don’t do it more is to avoid the conflict with guests with kids who might have to be asked to leave at a specific time or are refused a seat.

 

[OneofThree]

because of inappropriate behavior that goes on in alcohol-focused establishments.

I think it's equally problematic to put the kids and the patrons in that situation. In my experience, the majority of people at the resorts for example, seem to drink responsibly. But that's not always the case. Let's be honest -most people consume alcohol for the effect -the change in behavior. Bars are places where this should be expected, to one extent or another. This isn't the "forum", so to speak, to get into the finer details of the way in which this impacts, or has potential to impact the kids. Suffice to say that a great many people have an unhealthy approach toward, relationship w/alcohol. As for myself, I actually happen to be a pretty serious single malt enthusiast and I do drink at home in front of my kids. That said, I don't drink too much, or get drunk. I can't/don't expect the same from other adults (their business), so you won't find any of my kids in a bar. That's not to say that a sane parent can't find a quiet lounge somewhere on property to enjoy a few apps and drinks, but for every one of those, you've got a complete imbecile who will park their young children at a roaring bar at 9:30p.m.

As far as looking toward what may be allowed by a particular resort or bar for what one should, or should avoid in terms of parenting -this just doesn't seem like a fabulous idea to me. This was my whole problem to begin with -what we can get away with versus how to do right by our children, and the in the interest of completely self-serving behavior.

 

[21stamps]

I think it's equally problematic to put the kids and the patrons in that situation. In my experience, the majority of people at the resorts for example, seem to drink responsibly. But that's not always the case. Let's be honest -most people consume alcohol for the effect -the change in behavior. Bars are places where this should be expected, to one extent or another. This isn't the "forum", so to speak, to get into the finer details of the way in which this impacts, or has potential to impact the kids. Suffice to say that a great many people have an unhealthy approach toward, relationship w/alcohol. As for myself, I actually happen to be a pretty serious single malt enthusiast and I do drink at home in front of my kids. That said, I don't drink too much, or get drunk. I can't/don't expect the same from other adults (their business), so you won't find any of my kids in a bar. That's not to say that a sane parent can't find a quiet lounge somewhere on property to enjoy a few apps and drinks, but for every one of those, you've got a complete imbecile who will park their young children at a roaring bar at 9:30p.m.

As far as looking toward what may be allowed by a particular resort or bar for what one should, or should avoid in terms of parenting -this just doesn't seem like a fabulous idea to me. This was my whole problem to begin with -what we can get away with versus how to do right by our children, and the in the interest of completely self-serving behavior.

Most of the time my kid has been the only child, or one of just a handful of children at a lounge in Disney. The former being the more common of the two scenarios, with Trader Sam’s being the exception. Probably because the lounges don’t have Children’s Menus, and the non-alcoholic drinks for kids are $11-$14. My child isn’t a picky eater, and orders from an adult menu often when we’re out.

I don’t know what people are picturing at Disney “bars”. They aren’t bars, they’re lounges.-With table seating and food service.

Unless people only choose restaurants that don’t serve alcohol to bring their children to (good luck finding many establishments that fit).. then they really shouldn’t say anything about a child sitting at a table in a lounge.

But, I’m also one of the parents who has had their kid in a WDW Lounge at 9:30-10:00 at night. We didn’t have any problems. As far as self serving, he specifically asks for certain food and drinks at a few lounges on property. The best parts- It can be spontaneous, we don’t need reservations, and most of all-we can sit and have an actual conversation without the loud obnoxiousness of so many of the restaurants at Disney.

 

[21stamps]

I think I’ve posted this photo before.. but this is classified as a “lounge”. Totally not appropriate for kids, right? Especially not the good food and fruity non-alcoholic umbrella drink...
The only bad thing about that visit was the server forgot to bring plates, and somehow took about 5 minutes to return.

 

[pajammies]

As far as looking toward what may be allowed by a particular resort or bar for what one should, or should avoid in terms of parenting -this just doesn't seem like a fabulous idea to me. This was my whole problem to begin with -what we can get away with versus how to do right by our children, and the in the interest of completely self-serving behavior.

I'm not trying to get away with anything! My parenting skills are not based on whether or not Disney allows my 19 year to have some snacks at a bar or lounge...are you kidding me right now?! You're being ridiculous.