Issue with RR single murphy beds

[Lensman]

The improper installation likely goes all the way to the construction of the wall itself. That’s a deeper problem than just the installation team that knew to use drywall anchors.

I agree. That would certainly be the case if the bed required significant wall support. What's the rule on commercial construction and Murphy beds that require support legs to be folded down? The support requirements differ between the beds that have the fold-down legs and the ones that don't. With legs, you're just looking at standard furniture wall anchoring and not structural support - unless you have to cover the case where the legs are mistakenly not folded down.

My commercial construction question relates to the fact that the beds that have legs aren't designed to support themselves when they are used without the legs folded out and supporting the outer edge of the bed. That will over-stress the hardware as well as possibly pull the wall anchors off. What I'm wondering is whether you're supposed to anchor the bed with support strong enough to withstand being pulled out even when the bed is improperly deployed without the legs folded down?

I'm not sure which design of bed was the one that collapsed.

 

[nickys]

I wonder about Tower Studios. A Murphy bed is the only sleeping option available in those.
I wouldn't be too happy with an inflatable bed or mattress on the floor.

I’ve seen one report saying those in the Tower studios were moved to a 1-bed.

I wonder if there are also issues at Saratoga Springs. The refurbished 1-beds have both the single Murphy bed and the queen size wall bed. And there would be limited options to move people. I imagine they are having to refund a lot of points to people there.

 

[Nunu]

I’ve seen one report saying those in the Tower studios were moved to a 1-bed.

I wonder if there are also issues at Saratoga Springs. The refurbished 1-beds have both the single Murphy bed and the queen size wall bed. And there would be limited options to move people. I imagine they are having to refund a lot of points to people there.

Sounds fair for those in Tower Studios.

True about Saratoga. I'd think that they are, or will be looking into those single and Murphy beds too.

Bad timing for those issues. Maybe not many options in terms of room availability, to move people around, given the season.

 

[Master Yoda]

Doubt seriously this is cutting corners. Most likely the sub contractor hired to install them did not do it correctly.

This^^^

Blocking is what is typically used and it allows for something equivalent to screwing into studs but provides a larger area so you’re not trying to precisely place studs based on furniture which may not be fully designed. That seems to have not been provided. That they went with drywall anchors suggests they discovered the appropriate backing was not provided and just continued with a deficient means of attachment. That’s a problem bigger than just the furniture installation team even if they continued installation without notifying the general contractor.

It would not surprise be one bit if it was discovered that blocking was missing from several rooms or the entire project for that matter. Special items like this are quite often missed and it is rarely something that a building inspector would look for as it is beyond code.

I agree. That would certainly be the case if the bed required significant wall support. What's the rule on commercial construction and Murphy beds that require support legs to be folded down? The support requirements differ between the beds that have the fold-down legs and the ones that don't. With legs, you're just looking at standard furniture wall anchoring and not structural support - unless you have to cover the case where the legs are mistakenly not folded down.

My commercial construction question relates to the fact that the beds that have legs aren't designed to support themselves when they are used without the legs folded out and supporting the outer edge of the bed. That will over-stress the hardware as well as possibly pull the wall anchors off. What I'm wondering is whether you're supposed to anchor the bed with support strong enough to withstand being pulled out even when the bed is improperly deployed without the legs folded down?

I'm not sure which design of bed was the one that collapsed.

To my knowledge, there are not building codes regarding furniture. There are however numerous other agencies that set standards for furniture. The attached guide has a listing of many of them. When it comes to the actual structure of furniture. I believe the ASTM F15 Committee sets the standards.

What I don't know is if any of that is at all legally binding past being able to legally sell these items in the US. Things like windows, doors, shingles, etc have to meet certain standards before they can be used in the state of Florida. I do not think there is an equivalent rule when it comes to furniture.

Regardless of all that, improper installation, which is what this appears to be, can make a fully tested and compliant piece of furniture fail.

 

[correcaminos]

I’ve seen one report saying those in the Tower studios were moved to a 1-bed.

I wonder if there are also issues at Saratoga Springs. The refurbished 1-beds have both the single Murphy bed and the queen size wall bed. And there would be limited options to move people. I imagine they are having to refund a lot of points to people there.

SSR has been told not to use them either. Total cluster of a situation

 

[nickys]

SSR has been told not to use them either. Total cluster of a situation

Yes I’ve read about that now too. Forgot to post it here (too many threads lol!). Much less chance of being moved at Saratoga, although the two reports I’ve seen they were offered that option - but no automatic refund of points. That is shocking, people really shouldn’t be having to ask.

 

[correcaminos]

Yes I’ve read about that now too. Forgot to post it here (too many threads lol!). Much less chance of being moved at Saratoga, although the two reports I’ve seen they were offered that option - but no automatic refund of points. That is shocking, people really shouldn’t be having to ask.

Yep saw that they'd be moved to an unrefurbed room in the lower point standard section. That's not okay.

What is so different with these vs Pop I wonder

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yep saw that they'd be moved to an unrefurbed room in the lower point standard section. That's not okay.

What is so different with these vs Pop I wonder

The Value Resorts utilize a different structural system and the beds may well be anchored into a concrete wall.

 

[correcaminos]

The Value Resorts utilize a different structural system and the beds may well be anchored into a concrete wall.

If Pop had concrete walls I'd stay there. Honestly the walls feel paper thin to me.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If Pop had concrete walls I'd stay there. Honestly the walls feel paper thin to me.

There are concrete walls. That doesn’t guarantee quiet with the big window and door to outside.

 

[Master Yoda]

If Pop had concrete walls I'd stay there. Honestly the walls feel paper thin to me.

Most people think that concrete is a great sound insulator, but it is in fact quite poor by itself as a sound insulator.

Both wood and steel framing are better at keeping out sound than CMU. A single sheet of plywood is better at lowering the decibels than all three.

 

[Nunu]

Most people think that concrete is a great sound insulator, but it is in fact quite poor by itself as a sound insulator.

Both wood and steel framing are better at keeping out sound than CMU. A single sheet of plywood is better at lowering the decibels than all three.

Agree, I live in a country/city where construction is concrete/cement blocks. Our house is made of that. Sound insulation isn't very good.

 

[correcaminos]

Most people think that concrete is a great sound insulator, but it is in fact quite poor by itself as a sound insulator.

Both wood and steel framing are better at keeping out sound than CMU. A single sheet of plywood is better at lowering the decibels than all three.

Well it was mostly a joke. Though our rooms i the dorm in the stadium were concrete and quiet. Better than my other rooms. But really a joke. I didn't think they used concrete on the interior now.