DisneyDigest
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You’d think for someone his age, he’d be more nostalgic for the old Disney, but when money talks, money talks
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Is this it after Guardians: Cosmic Rewind ?
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Little Green Men
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Fantasmic and Indy will reopen. I’ll take 9 rides over 2 anyday
SOA that sat empty for nine months with empty facades? That SOA?
Dan Deesnee
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Chapek won't last 5 years. He's a classic interim pick that was safe and convenient given the situation and his appointment wouldn't shock stock market investors.
Sharon&Susan
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Why are you assuming that they both want the earliest version of Hollywood Studios possible? Most of the things they mentioned didn't even open until well after MGM Studios opened.
Little Green Men
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So? Mgm had only 5 rides until 2008 that’s almost half of what they have now. No contest
TrainsOfDisney
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2?
Tower, rock’n, great movie ride, backlot tour, star tours, midway mania. That’s 6. And I count Indy and lights, motors as major attractions as well but I realize they aren’t rides.
No. The SOA that had live entertainment all year long. (Mulch, streetmosphere, etc.)
Vegas Disney Fan
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I dont expect any major additions other than Gurdians, Tron, and new spectaculars during the 50th celebration, which they’ll probably milk for 18 months, smaller things like finishing up Moana and possibly some smaller additions like the delayed Mary Poppins at Epcot and a replacement for the spinning coaster in AK. Hopefully the resumption of the Marvel E ticket for DCA also. I won’t be surprised if they use the time to keep making infrastructure changes to help traffic flow and spruce up the resorts and parks.
Disney‘s been building pretty steady over the last decade, it’s just spread out over all the parks… they redid DCA, added Pandora at AK, added 2 Galaxys edge, added Toy Story land at HS, added Marvel at DCA, redid fantasyland, built Tron, Guardians, Ratatouille, etc… not to mention building a whole new park in Shanghai, a major expansion happening at DL Paris studio park, and a major overall happening at HKDL. Also non park projects like the skyliner, new DVC resorts, new cruise ships, etc.
As fans I think we all want more but they’ve been spending billions a year for over a decade, I wouldn’t be surprised if they use Covid and the 50th as a reason to take a couple years off from announcing major expansions.
Disney‘s been building pretty steady over the last decade, it’s just spread out over all the parks… they redid DCA, added Pandora at AK, added 2 Galaxys edge, added Toy Story land at HS, added Marvel at DCA, redid fantasyland, built Tron, Guardians, Ratatouille, etc… not to mention building a whole new park in Shanghai, a major expansion happening at DL Paris studio park, and a major overall happening at HKDL. Also non park projects like the skyliner, new DVC resorts, new cruise ships, etc.
As fans I think we all want more but they’ve been spending billions a year for over a decade, I wouldn’t be surprised if they use Covid and the 50th as a reason to take a couple years off from announcing major expansions.
Little Green Men
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Referring to opening year and only 5 up to 2008. And then you can still count Indy, the Cars show, B&TB.
All of which is replaced with chars in SWL
Giss Neric
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I would rather Disney would shut the hell up and not announce stuff too early. I prefer Universal's strategy where they keep quiet for the most part and let people speculate.
Everyone is too critical of Disney already so just surprise us.
Everyone is too critical of Disney already so just surprise us.
tagoofy
Active Member
To paraphrase Mr. Incredible... "You mean you killed off real new rides so you could build a pretend new ride?"
That is the part that really gets me, more than loosing the nostalgic of the old ride, spending money that should be used on additional attractions to "fix" an attraction that is still immensely popular.
But all of what they did the last 7 or so years was basically forced upon them by the parks being severely overwhelmed. They fixed 3 of the parks, meaning they are just normal overcrowded. But absolutely still in need of more new stuff. And Tron sure won't fix the MK.
JusticeDisney
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Just out of curiosity, when all 4 WDW parks outdraw both Universal parks, how exactly is it that you feel that Universal is “eating Disney’s lunch?” I mean, setting aside any personal preference that you may have as to the particular parks, all that really matters to both companies is the bottom line.
Because satisfaction numbers were plummeting for Disney due to overcrowding? And all of Disney’s recent changes to prices and ride access are most certainly not going to both increase satisfaction and attendance?
Disney attendance may be fundamentally changed going forward. Especially after the 50th surge. Once EU opens, Universal will absolutely be a full week resort.
When you compare the number of rides built this century at WDW and Universal, especially after EU, Disney looks pretty sad. Especially if you add in all of IOA from 1999. I just don’t see another generation brainwashed into thinking their happy place is staying for a week, riding 30+ year old rides, and staying at $400 a night motels with 20 foot long water slides at the main pool.
JusticeDisney
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You might be right with a lot of what you just said. Then again, you might be wrong. People have been predicting similar things about Disney for quite some time, and up to now it has always proven to be wrong. Again, maybe that changes going forward and you might be spot on. In any event, most of what you put in your post is speculative. And up to this point in time, which is all we can really talk about right now, Universal has done anything but eat Disney’s lunch. Indeed, to the contrary Disney has utterly dominated Universal when it comes to the one and only thing which matters - attendance revenue.
Dan Deesnee
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I don't prefer Universal over Disney at all, quite the opposite (outside of the Wizarding World which I adore).
I don't have time to find it right now but I read in at least a few publications that Universals attendance numbers had been steadily increasing over the 5 years leading up to 2020 and WDWs were decreasing.
In a recent pool Magic Kingdom slipped from number 1-2 all the way to position 9. Although Universal didn't make the top 10.
Again I'll try to find the links but the gist of it was that Universal was climbing while WDW was slipping. Epic Universe is only going to accelerate Universal while Disney continuous to penny pinch guests (unless they course correct, obviously). But even if Disney lowers prices, adds new free services, etc. that won't change the fact the Epic Universe will be a massive draw, even more so if Disney has nothing to counter it but new cupcakes.
JusticeDisney
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I agree with that you are saying. But I will believe Universal outdrawing WDW when I see it with my own eyes, and not before then. Heck, at this point in time, Universal should simply strive for not coming in 5th and 6th out of the 6 parks. Just one Universal park beating out just one WDW park would be a victory for them.
OG Runner
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That and another variation on Mouse Ears to buy.
Potter took a MASSIVE bite out of WDW.
JusticeDisney
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And yet Universal still can’t beat any of the WDW parks in attendance.
Dan Deesnee
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That is irrelevant. It's growth, that is all that matters. Right now and for a while Universal has been closing the gap and Disney is extremely concerned (as a publicly traded company they have to be).
You can read the AECOM report in 2019 in this here https://aecom.com/theme-index/
I took a few screenshots. Look at that gap closing in a massive way: