Is the Great Movie Ride next?

Gregoryp73

Active Member
Actually, If they were to replace this ride...I would like them to keep the spirit of the ride and change it to a ride through of Disney's history...A little armchair imagineering if I May:

  • Do an updated omnimover, Literally a history of Disney movies
  • Start with a large animatronic of Steamboat willie
  • Do physical sets with the new pseudo-holographic tech inside the early disney studios with walt talking to the crowd (they could do the tron tech where they use an actor with walt's likeness, using his real voice from the t.v. shows)
  • Roll through the various movies (i.e. sleeping beauty, snow white, Pinocchio, Fantasia) that made the studios great all next gen animitronics (this way you are living the cartoon), or maybe I nice large triple pane display with see through OLED and moving animation.
  • End of the ride do a 360 tunnel with a collage of movies from the last 30 years so they can keep adding to it.

This type of ride would be timeless, would please whole families, and would give a true walk through of the genius of Disney
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Disney has grown immensely and their range of properties could easily be used to prop-up old rides (like Frozen Norway). So expect to see more and more rides based on properties they hold. A Universe of Synergy.

I cringe at the thought of American Adventure, brought to you by Sam Eagle...
If big hero 6 is a big hit why not use that. Since its set in Sanfransokyo, and America and Japan are right next to each other, it would be perfect! It fits the exact strategy of Norway, take a fake place based on a real place, and put it in the real place and call it synergy!!! :rolleyes: The sad fact is, it wouldn't be that far fetched just based on the new low that is Frozen in Norway.
 

Magenta Panther

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Jungle Book would be way better than the Tarzan scene, though.

And the Fantasia scene is just a give up. It could have been amazing.

It's cheap as heck and looks it. It was SUPPOSED to be a cyclone scene that would lead into the Munchkinland/Oz area. Why was it changed to Fantasia...does anyone here know?
 

Pocahontas

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I hate when people say it's outdated.

How is GMR outdated? Please enlighten me?

Sure it's 25 years old, but POTC is almost 50 years old and nobody is complaining.

Classic Films are timeless; how can it be outdated?

Mary Poppins, Singin' in the Rain, Wizard of Oz, Casablanca outdated? I should say not.

The only scene I can think of that's sort of stale is the Tarzan scene, but that can be overlooked.
Right, I don't think the movies themselves are outdated - they're classics. It's just the way that they're presented and the state of the ride. Definitely needs refurbished.
 

ryan1

Well-Known Member
The script was fine until the last rehab in 2003 when that hack Jason Surrell got his hands on it and cheesed the whole thing up with stupid puns like "Ohhh I see dead people" and "No that's not George of the Jungle, that's Tarzan!"

I've ridden GMR at least 25 times since 2003 and I have never heard the "George of the Jungle" line. Thank goodness.
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
Do you really think that anyone...even one single person, has a greater knowledge or appreciation for who James Cagney is after seeing what is basically a department store mannequin that vaguely resembles him?


A 3 second appearance by a cheap animatronic isn't enough for anyone to learn anything about the actor or movie being portrayed, nor does it really give much incentive to go out and watch one of those classic movies afterwards. It's best to stick with what most people can actually relate to when presented in the context of a ride like that.


Most people don't want to watch movies from the 30's and 40's any more than they want to listen to music from the 30's and 40's. Sure there are some exceptions, but not enough to justify an attraction like GMR remaining rooted so deeply in the past.

The entire front half of the park takes place in the 30s and 40s except for RnR, which technically isn't in the front of the park.

I'm glad WDI isn't as short sighted as the Internet fanboys who try to defend them. Who's interested in cartoon characters from the 20s through 50s? Why does anyone care about a spooky old mansion in the 1700s? Why try to pique people's interest in the movies that laid the groundwork for LOTR, the Dark Knight trilogy, and Frozen?

I realize my comments sound really mean online, but I assure you I'm grinning right now.
 

DelGriffith

New Member
This ride was "outdated" the day it opened in 1989...that was kind of the point behind the ride, showcasing legendary (primarily old) Hollywood movies. I highly doubt audiences today are any more or less familiar with any given movie or movie star showcased in the ride than the average guest was when it first opened.
 

Ulysses McGill

Active Member
I would love to see an update to GMR. Most of the cast members leading the tours can't even pronounce Johnny Weissmuller's name, and there are about 200 movies (literally) with Tarzan in the title. So that would be my first choice to remove and replace.
 

DelGriffith

New Member
This ride was "outdated" the day it opened in 1989...that was kind of the point behind the ride, showcasing legendary (primarily old) Hollywood movies. I highly doubt audiences today are any more or less familiar with any given movie or movie star showcased in the ride than the average guest was when it first opened.
This ride is most dated in that it isn't shoving a Disney brand/franchise down our throats. It never would have been built during Iger's regime...not enough "synergy."
 

DisUniversal

Well-Known Member
The entire front half of the park takes place in the 30s and 40s except for RnR, which technically isn't in the front of the park.

I'm glad WDI isn't as short sighted as the Internet fanboys who try to defend them. Who's interested in cartoon characters from the 20s through 50s? Why does anyone care about a spooky old mansion in the 1700s? Why try to pique people's interest in the movies that laid the groundwork for LOTR, the Dark Knight trilogy, and Frozen?

I realize my comments sound really mean online, but I assure you I'm grinning right now.
I think you're correct about the fanboys who defend WDI being short sighted. The rest you missed the point on.
 

CDavid

Well-Known Member
Do you really think that anyone...even one single person, has a greater knowledge or appreciation for who James Cagney is after seeing what is basically a department store mannequin that vaguely resembles him?

Yes, without a doubt. Just as people gain a greater understanding of Italy, France, Arendelle and the other nations of the world in World Showcase, observe the role of stunt actors over at Indy and LMA, or (more simplistic) are exposed to Aerosmith or the Twilight Zone TV series, so also do guests (hopefully) gain at least a very basic appreciation for Cagney and all the other (once famous) names and movies featured in the attraction.
Of course, some theme park visitors seem to just take in all the rides just as scenery, without even considering the significance of theme, story, or exposition. Then there even seem to be those who think theme parks consist primarily of fast moving thrill rides or slow moving 'kiddie' rides; They don't know what to make of The Great Movie Ride. Regardless, just because not everyone takes the time or makes the effort to benefit from the material and experiences presented in an attraction does not make such a presentation any less compelling or relevant.

A 3 second appearance by a cheap animatronic isn't enough for anyone to learn anything about the actor or movie being portrayed, nor does it really give much incentive to go out and watch one of those classic movies afterwards. It's best to stick with what most people can actually relate to when presented in the context of a ride like that.

A theme park attraction is not intended as a substitute for an in depth examination of any subject. What park experiences can do - and do very well - is to expose guests to new experiences and knowledge, and to inspire them to explore further in their daily lives activities and topics which will enrich their lives.

More importantly, though, what would be the fun in sticking to what guests already know and can relate to? Should there never be any new or original movies, music, or stories but just sequels to already familiar properties? Wouldn't it be an awfully boring life to keep watching the same reruns over and over again - wouldn't you rather have something you've never seen or done before? The Great Movie Ride illustrates a wealth of cinematic history than most guests have never experienced, and if even a few discover something of value, the effort will have been more than worthwhile.

Most people don't want to watch movies from the 30's and 40's any more than they want to listen to music from the 30's and 40's. Sure there are some exceptions, but not enough to justify an attraction like GMR remaining rooted so deeply in the past.

Why would guests need to be interested in movies from the 1930's-40's in order to appreciate The Great Movie Ride? Again, there is more recent content in the attraction (and it needs an update - there is room for a careful selection of movies from every time period), but the ride can certainly be enjoyed by folks who clearly aren't going to rush out and buy a 1935 DVD movie collection. Guests do not have to be automotive engineers to enjoy Test Track, involved with agriculture to be inspired by The Land, or have seen every episode of The Twilight Zone to be allowed on Tower of Terror. It's silly to think people need to enjoy music and movies of the 1930-1990 era to both enjoy and appreciate The Great Movie Ride.
 

tribbleorlfl

Well-Known Member
Regarding the Sigourney Weaver AA, I mentioned this in an earlier thread discussing the rumored GMR changes, but I suspect its extremely poor likeness lends itself to Ms.Weaver's very spotty record when it comes to Alien(s) licensing. See Aliens Theatrical One Sheet Version A, Geometric Vinyl model, or the upcoming NECA action figures (the first ever to be fully licensed by Weaver to feature her likeness). I can't believe they'd dropped the ball so much when many of the other AA'S in the ride are pretty close.
 

Absimilliard

Well-Known Member
Forever. The license is in perpetuity. Also, the license is for the Marvel characters. I believe the ride system belongs to Universal.

Ride system is from a company called Oceaneering. They are little known outside of the theme park industry, but they specialise in custom ride systems based on what the customer want. Universal got the rights to the Spiderman multi motion cars that were also used for Transformers... but Oceaneering has sold to 3 other parks a 8 seats version of those. They use individual restraints, don't have automated side doors and only have 8 seats versus 12 at Universal. What parks are they? Ferrari World as "Speed of Magic" in Abu Dhabi, UAE. Busch Gardens Williamsburg as "Curse of Darkastle" in Williamsburg, VA. Tokyo Dome City as "Tokyo Panic Cruise" in Tokyo, JP.

Oceaneering designed and manufactured the vehicles for Antartica at Sea World Orlando and is working with Six Flags now. They are building 17 new 6 seaters multi motion dark ride cars for the Justice League: Battle for Metropolis dark rides opening at Six Flags Over Texas (Arlington, TX) and Six Flags Saint-Louis (Eureka, MS) in 2015.

So, WDI could technically use those cars for a new ride at a Disney park.
 

DisUniversal

Well-Known Member
Ride system is from a company called Oceaneering. They are little known outside of the theme park industry, but they specialise in custom ride systems based on what the customer want. Universal got the rights to the Spiderman multi motion cars that were also used for Transformers... but Oceaneering has sold to 3 other parks a 8 seats version of those. They use individual restraints, don't have automated side doors and only have 8 seats versus 12 at Universal. What parks are they? Ferrari World as "Speed of Magic" in Abu Dhabi, UAE. Busch Gardens Williamsburg as "Curse of Darkastle" in Williamsburg, VA. Tokyo Dome City as "Tokyo Panic Cruise" in Tokyo, JP.

Oceaneering designed and manufactured the vehicles for Antartica at Sea World Orlando and is working with Six Flags now. They are building 17 new 6 seaters multi motion dark ride cars for the Justice League: Battle for Metropolis dark rides opening at Six Flags Over Texas (Arlington, TX) and Six Flags Saint-Louis (Eureka, MS) in 2015.

So, WDI could technically use those cars for a new ride at a Disney park.
Interesting....thanks. WDI may be able to use that type of technology, however they still can't do anything at all Marvel related with it. Also think the technology might be a little expensive and perhaps a little too advanced for Disney. They don't do a whole lot lately that doesn't involve spinners, boat rides or omni-mover systems. ;)
 

FigmentsFangirl

Well-Known Member
Yes, an animatronic campfire farting scene would be wondrous.
The first Farting AA, hey Disney already made the first WALKING AA as it is. Why not push it a step further and add the farting campfire scene to the Western Scene ? Forget robbing a bank or shooting up gangsters, get us away from the fart cloud!

Would give an entirely new reason behind "PLEASE NO FLASH PHOTOS" as the flash would either set off the fart cloud, or just annoy everyone else on the ride at the time {ever sit in front of the guy with the camera going every two seconds with a massive flashbulb ? I have, twice}
 

yoda_5729

Well-Known Member
I think one problem with all of these differing views on the ride is that people experience rides differently, as I think one message earlier mentioned. I genuinely get a feeling from some people on here that they find dark, or slow moving rides boring, and see little to no value in them. I mentioned earlier Hollywood Studios does not have many options for the elderly or others with medical concerns. If they gutted GMR, what would make everyone on here happy? Would it be another thrill ride, and another one, and another one. I think it's odd how on all of these rumors, the only rumored projects that fanboys are dreaming of are fast moving thrill rides, when that already occupies a large space in the park. Lets make a pixar ride, but it's gonna be a roller coaster like Radiator Springs Racers or Monsters Inc. Maybe those aren't adult enough, so lets try Star Wars or Guardians, two properties that if you only made dark rides for them, the vast majority of posters on here dreaming for those thrill rides would be disappointed. Does Hollywood Studios really need more thrill rides right now?

As for the effect of the ride on those viewing it, I unquestionably agree with those that say it does have an impact. Whereas some might see the James Cagney AA as just a mannequin on a street corner, it's rather simplistic in how much you can get from that. There are only so many AAs in the "Great Movie Ride." If I was a kid, and saw he was one of the ones chosen, I rationally would think, "Oh, that's a great actor." Maybe I had never heard of him, or maybe I did, but his inclusion means something. He's in gangster alley, so though he did more then just gangster movies (Yankee Doodle Dandy) and was quite the vaudevillian, he is most closely aligned with the legendary gangster movies like Public Enemy (which they name), White Heat, and others. Some might see that as "worthless information", and others may view that as so elementary it's a joke, but it allows someone to be exposed to it, and maybe it makes a difference. "One little spark, of inspiration, is at the heart of all creation..." And maybe that spark, causes the creation of a hobby, or interest in exploring part of our culture that before they had never given a shot. Maybe they thought the history of Hollywood was something to not care about, but through the ride they found themselves interested, and wanting more. When that movie montage runs in the end, I often sit there, seeing how many I can identify, and if I've seen the movies or not. If nothing else it allows the guest to know, James Cagney was an actor of great significance.

The rooms, in terms of additions or subtractions could be debated and bickered about, though I think some upgrades would be in order no matter what in terms of the AAs and the HD screen. I think a problem for some at Hollywood studios is guests become so overwhelmed with ride lines they often overlook various trinkets of detail in the tributes to Hollywood throughout the park. What the heck is up with the dinosaur in the lake? That actually is a tribute to the architectural style called California Crazy, where buildings were designed to look like actual objects. As for the character, it predated Walt, as it was the first animated character to ever have a personality and reappear in shorts. Its name is Gertie and Walt himself cited the character as an inspiration to him. Across the lake from Gertie is a Boat that is also a restaurant. In the seating area are various crates with the addresses of various people stenciled across it including Charles Foster Kane, Rick Blaine, and Scarlett O'Hara. Most never even know they are there, and even worse some have no idea who those characters are, even though they should. People often assume the age they are growing up in, is the Golden Age of something, when in practically every field, it usually isn't. A big movie today is not necessarily the same thing as a big movie back then. On these boards we have discussed Avatar endlessly, and it is the biggest money making movie of all-time, though not the most popular. That honor actually goes to Gone with the Wind, when you figure inflation. The odd part though, most people TODAY, cannot name a character from Avatar. Scarlett O'Hara, Dorothy, James Bond, Darth Vader, Holly Golightly, The Duke, or Mary Poppins are institutions. There was a day in which Vanilla Ice was more popular then Johnny Cash, James Brown, and even Elvis Presley. But now, after everything has settled, the historic figures are still legends, and Vanilla Ice is an after thought.

As for this quote...
If they redid it, I wish it would be a celebration and ride-though of Disney's Animated Classics. What a great way to incorporate some lesser seen classics in the parks- 101 Dalmatians, Robin Hood, Fox and the Hound, Jungle Book, etc. It could also be a way to give Oswald some love, too. They could discuss Toy Story and computer animation and how it changed the art form. They could show Princess and the Frog and the "return to hand-drawn". Then even "Tangled" and how they used computer animation but made it look like water color. It could be very educational, show some history, have some current hits, etc. I think older fans would love to see some long forgotten classics and younger fans would love to see a Rapunzel AA. This way, for the many movies that deserve rides, they get some presence in the parks. I think it would be a great fit for the park and celebrate movies too. =)

I would 100% want this attraction, but not in place of GMR, but rather in addition to it. I would gladly take an attraction like this over either the Backlot or Lights Motor Action. Or, based on the content, I would even think of the areas near One Man's Dream or the Animation Courtyard. All of those would be wonderful spots to explore a ride with this content. You would once again run into the update problems of any type of ride like this, but as a way to represent some peoples favorites that may not be present elsewhere. I think that might have potential. The bigger or easier themed movies could be elsewhere, but the ones often forgotten about do deserve some respect. Many don't realize the American Adventure and the Hall of Presidents in many ways are meant to be seen together (even though they aren't in the smae parks), as in the American Adventure, there is no AA for Lincoln (which without explanation, is a gross oversight), but he gets center stage in the Hall of Presidents. It wouldn't have to be declared as such, but it could be a family friendly ride that did pay tribute to some of Disney's less represented classics. I think it should avoid those seen elsewhere though, as I wouldn't have Alice, Dumbo, Pooh, Snow White, Cinderella, or others, unless it was massively different then the rides. It always bugs me how American Adventure pavilion in Epcot and Liberty Square in Magic Kingdom's architecture are so similar when America has had many different environments to explore.

As for the dark rides though, they are very important, as though Great Movie Ride rarely has a super long line, it is capable of housing a ton of people, and those people are not in line for Toy Story, Tower of Terror or Rockn'Roller Coaster. Something to take into account is we all love Disney World, and visit it routinely, if not multiple times. Some people literally only visit once. Their opinions on GMR usually are not that negative. When experiencing it, or anything else 10-35 times is going to change some things. That doesn't necessarily make it bad. In all truth, I enjoy GMR far more then Carousel of Progress, though I respect it, and am glad they have chosen to keep it. It should be noted, those AAs are some of the most advanced, and I still enjoy GMR more. Not every ride has to be 3 minutes of 60mph speed, or dropping 13 stories. Obviously we should have thrill rides, but Hollywood Studios greatest negatives are not their thrill rides. They have at least 2 of the top 5 thrill rides in WDW, with one arguably still the top thrill ride in the country. There needs to be a balance, and right now,I'm not seeing the balance in Hollywood Studios, but getting rid of GMR would just make the matter worse then better.
 
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Bocabear

Well-Known Member
I think the biggest problem with the attraction is it needs freshening up, and unfortunately, the presentation by the cast members is not what it once was... I have been on this ride so many times with bored or mumbling cast members... There are occasional gems, but they seem to be few and far between. I am hoping if they do update the attraction, that they figure out a way to be less dependent on the tour guides...insuring a better quality experience for all riding....
There is so much technology that could be employed in the story telling of this attraction... they just need to update it....and seriously the last scene on the ride...the movie montage is so anti-climactic and poorly edited...a tribute to the 80s...it is laughably bad.
 

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