Is Everest suffering from any budget cut-backs?

Lee

Adventurer
Just to continue the discussion on queues, Kevin Yee wrote a great article at Miceage about the change in the way queues are seen and built these days.

Enjoy. :wave:
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
speck76 said:
I think some things that get catagorized as "budget-cuts" may be more of "stick to the budget" type issues.

WDC has a habit of running over budget on many projects. The days of "whatever it takes" are gone, finances can no longer be managed that way.

Since many things run over budget, it is possible things have to be cut due to the budget. If a ride is supposed to cost $50million, and something pops up that will make it cost $60million, then $10million needs to be "cut".
Exactly, and that was my point. It is absurd to think that Disney has ever built anything without budget caps. Given what I know about Imagineers, I'm fairly certain they always have ideas that are far bigger than what is feasible. Even a place like DisneySea or Disneyland Paris had cutbacks at one time or another. For example, at some point in time it was decided to hold back on building the Tower of Terror and Space Mountain, respectively, for opening day at those parks. That is not to say guests got screwed on those deals--the parks were impressive regardless--not all cutbacks are necessarily adverse to guests, but they are always necessary. I am sure if you traced Everest's developments from start to finish, you would see cutbacks. My point is that it is pretty useless and speculative to even discuss cutbacks at this point--cutbacks are inevitable and we will get a spectacular ride in the end, anyway. On the subject of queues, I think DCA's Tower of Terror has a pretty impressive queue given the space they had to work with--the inside portion is in every way as spectacular as (and in some ways better than) the Florida counterpart, and the outdoor queue will certainly become more impressive with aging, as the gardens become overgrown.
 

Lee

Adventurer
DisneyFan 2000 said:
I remember you mentioning E:E won't be getting original asian artifacts because of Fastpass and Single Riders... That's too bad. :(

Me? I didn't say that. There will be cool stuff to look at, for sure, but in a Kali or Kilamanjaro way...not a Pirates or Indy kind of way.
 

Moustronaut

New Member
ZHoyt said:
re: detailed queues, the argument against them just doesn't hold water. With the advent of fastpass, those who actually do stay in line are generally in a much slower moving loading situation. Do these people just not matter? Are they just screwed for not utilizing the fast pass system?

Well... it appears this is the track Disney is taking. Mission:Space and Phillharmagic certainly do not have a queue areas worthy of their hype. And when Test Track was retro fitted with a Fast Pass line and a true single rider line, the Fast Pass queue is the one that winds through all the detials and exhibits about how GM tests car components. The standby line does not go through nearly as much of the detailed sections of the queue. It pretty much goes into the building, turns left and up onto the loading area for the preshow. Most of the standby line ends up outside.

Quick questions for everyone else, WHY did Disney do this with Test Track? Seems so obvious to put the slower standby line through the longest indoor queue line? Did guests complain about the Test Track queue? Is this to encourage Fast Pass use?
 

speck76

Well-Known Member
Moustronaut said:
Well... it appears this is the track Disney is taking. Mission:Space and Phillharmagic certainly do not have a queue areas worthy of their hype. And when Test Track was retro fitted with a Fast Pass line and a true single rider line, the Fast Pass queue is the one that winds through all the detials and exhibits about how GM tests car components. The standby line does not go through nearly as much of the detailed sections of the queue. It pretty much goes into the building, turns left and up onto the loading area for the preshow. Most of the standby line ends up outside.

Quick questions for everyone else, WHY did Disney do this with Test Track? Seems so obvious to put the slower standby line through the longest indoor queue line? Did guests complain about the Test Track queue? Is this to encourage Fast Pass use?

Epcot recently swapped the Standby and Fastpass queues for TT, so this is no longer the case.
 

Jeff D

New Member
waltdisny said:
Really? Not to induce thread drift, but tell me more.:D I remember the city, and I distinctly remember lots of little flying gizmos (wonder what they'd be worth on ebay? :rolleyes: ). I also remember that the high-speed room at one point had a film that had been stolen from TRON.

I had heard that the finale of JII had been cut. The puppet Figment's on screen were all supposed to be AA's. That would have been Glorious. Ahh, nostalgia...:cry:

Not to slam Grizz, but I know for a fact that the city was a giant model. maybe the bacxground were screens but that was it. I rode the World of Motion quite a few times and twice during thunderstorms the ride screwed up and the end was done with the lights on. It was a model. Also I once took a picture (yeah, that was dumb) and the flash picked up all the peices in just a plan grey color. the impact could be compared to the underwater city on the sufacr at teh end of The Abyss compared to it being lit underwater since it was the same model.
 

Yen_Sid1

New Member
speck76 said:
I think some things that get catagorized as "budget-cuts" may be more of "stick to the budget" type issues.

WDC has a habit of running over budget on many projects. The days of "whatever it takes" are gone, finances can no longer be managed that way.

Since many things run over budget, it is possible things have to be cut due to the budget. If a ride is supposed to cost $50million, and something pops up that will make it cost $60million, then $10million needs to be "cut".

True. But I would call them "cost over- runs" more than "budget cuts"
 

Lynx04

New Member
EE has been in construction for about a year and a half now, but in reallity the project has been going on long before. I don't know how long, however the ride could be three years in the makeing or more. What general happens becaue this is a long project, when the do the concept they try to figure out how much the ride will cost. Everything from manufactoring, themeing, construction. Unfortunately, things tend to cost more then what was expected. It might be that one of the AA's arms isn't moving they way it is suppose to be or conceived, or the mountain skin while water proof ends up fading real fast in the hot summer sun. When this happens they have to look at the budget and decide if they should spend the extra cash to fix it or settle for a cheaper alternitive. One of the cheaper alternitive is only make one of the arms not move that much and just use one arm. These are some of the tough decision that have to be made, of course I probably didn't pick a good analogy, but I think you get the point.
 

DarkMeasures

New Member
Original Poster
Lynx04 said:
EE has been in construction for about a year and a half now, but in reallity the project has been going on long before. I don't know how long, however the ride could be three years in the makeing or more. What general happens becaue this is a long project, when the do the concept they try to figure out how much the ride will cost. Everything from manufactoring, themeing, construction. Unfortunately, things tend to cost more then what was expected. It might be that one of the AA's arms isn't moving they way it is suppose to be or conceived, or the mountain skin while water proof ends up fading real fast in the hot summer sun. When this happens they have to look at the budget and decide if they should spend the extra cash to fix it or settle for a cheaper alternitive. One of the cheaper alternitive is only make one of the arms not move that much and just use one arm. These are some of the tough decision that have to be made, of course I probably didn't pick a good analogy, but I think you get the point.

Hasn't the record for Disney using 4D software been that the structures built with that technology have been underbudget.

I mean Paradise Pier and the Disney Concert Hall were both under budget mainly due to the use of the 4D software.

If Everest is completed ahead of schedual and under budget, it could mean a major turn around for Imagineering.
 

Lynx04

New Member
DarkMeasures said:
Hasn't the record for Disney using 4D software been that the structures built with that technology have been underbudget.

I mean Paradise Pier and the Disney Concert Hall were both under budget mainly due to the use of the 4D software.

If Everest is completed ahead of schedual and under budget, it could mean a major turn around for Imagineering.

Could be my friend, could be.
 

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