But, Disney does warn people entering the parks that they might be filmed...
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Is anyone in the wrong here?
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Maybe that's the intent... but it still applies no matter who's taking the video.
NelleBelle
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What does @SirWillow have to say since he used to be a park photographer?
NelleBelle
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Personally, I think it's absolutely weird and creepy that she was doing this considering she seems to have already had her own encounter with her own kids (I couldn't hear the audio really clear since my DH is working in the same room as me at the moment). I understand that you may catch strangers in your home movies and photos. But she is deliberately filming those guests' interaction (and they had no idea she was going to crop them out later). All I can say is I would've been mortified!!
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As mentioned earlier there's a youtube channel full of Gaston interactions with strangers here.
It's full of them and you'd have to think that CM's were aware that this same person was filming hours and hours of footage of 'strangers', all seemingly with no problems? I do recall a number of years back one 'Gaston' was suspended for doing push ups on the floor after a guest challenged him and it made it to youtube. I believe Disney management found it 'ungainly' having a Disney character 'on the floor' although the guests seemed to love it? Perhaps the awkward interaction originally posted was shortly after the suspension of the other 'Gaston' and the other 'Gastons' were sensitive to being filmed? However with that being a big part of the job, I find that hard to imagine.
It's full of them and you'd have to think that CM's were aware that this same person was filming hours and hours of footage of 'strangers', all seemingly with no problems? I do recall a number of years back one 'Gaston' was suspended for doing push ups on the floor after a guest challenged him and it made it to youtube. I believe Disney management found it 'ungainly' having a Disney character 'on the floor' although the guests seemed to love it? Perhaps the awkward interaction originally posted was shortly after the suspension of the other 'Gaston' and the other 'Gastons' were sensitive to being filmed? However with that being a big part of the job, I find that hard to imagine.
NelleBelle
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Which suspension was this?? I'm clueless (unless you mean the push-up "Gaston")!
TrainsOfDisney
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It’s a weird line... I’ve filmed citizens of Hollywood actors interacting with other guests. But that’s more of a street show and not a meet and greet. But then again it wouldn’t be odd for someone to take a photograph of Belle interacting with a kid during story time. While you may argue that’s a show... actors equity doesn’t consider it a show! Haha.
Giss Neric
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If you watch the Disney vloggers nowadays, they don't care who they film. There are a couple of times when certain vloggers do a dining review in a restaurant and they go around documenting the different parts of the restaurant. In the process of doing that, they are showing other diners eating and you can literally see how some guests gives them the "look" with a camera focusing on them while eating. It's really awkward but it seems they aren't aware.
denyuntilcaught
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I don't think either were technically in the wrong, but the woman's behavior was certainly...annoying?
NelsonRD
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The line gets drawn if you start taking multiple pictures of children. I am not objecting to my family being an extra in your vacation documentation, but I do object to my young girls being the main characters.
One trip, at the Mexico Pavilion, my very young girls, were interacting with Donald. I saw a strange lady taking several pictures of the interaction over and over. Instead of making a scene, or getting upset, I conveniently found myself in front of her line of sight, so I think most of the coverage ended up being of my back.
The responses to my post objecting to adults taking multiple pictures of children they do not know, interact with a character, was not favorable from that post, although in that post I said 'a picture' but it was enough pictures to catch my attention and try to prevent more.
Photography etiquette within the parks
I usually take most of the pictures so I use my wife as a spotter. She keeps an eye on things and let's me know if I need to move. We just get PhotoPass for the together pics. They cover most of the popular and crowded spots already. Otherwise, we wait for a clearing, wait until lower traffic...
danlb_2000
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And what about filming the audience participation part of Festival of the Lion King?
NelleBelle
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The thing is, if guest would purchase photo pass, they'd get a bunch of generic character pictures of their very own! Then they wouldn't need to take "strange" photos of kids during their M&Gs with the characters! Kudos to you for having patience and not saying something. I either my mom or I noticed that, the mama/grandmama bear(s) would've come out, sadly.The line gets drawn if you start taking multiple pictures of children. I am not objecting to my family being an extra in your vacation documentation, but I do object to my young girls being the main characters.
One trip, at the Mexico Pavilion, my very young girls, were interacting with Donald. I saw a strange lady taking several pictures of the interaction over and over. Instead of making a scene, or getting upset, I conveniently found myself in front of her line of sight, so I think most of the coverage ended up being of my back.
The responses to my post objecting to adults taking multiple pictures of children they do not know, interact with a character, was not favorable from that post, although in that post I said 'a picture' but it was enough pictures to catch my attention and try to prevent more.
Photography etiquette within the parks
I usually take most of the pictures so I use my wife as a spotter. She keeps an eye on things and let's me know if I need to move. We just get PhotoPass for the together pics. They cover most of the popular and crowded spots already. Otherwise, we wait for a clearing, wait until lower traffic...forums.wdwmagic.com
NelsonRD
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There are 2 factors here to consider. Frequency, and intended audience.
If my girls are part of Enchanted Tales with Belle, and you take several photographs of that, I have no problem with that, as it is part of the show for the wider audience.
If my girls are interacting with a character, that is more intimate, and if you take more than one picture of that, I would have a problem with it.
The same with flash photography. Take a flash picture on Haunted Mansion is one thing, take a picture of every room, is another.
DoleWhipDrea
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The question seems a bit more general - “Is there anyone really in the wrong here?”
Watching the edited video awkwardly cutting out the people meeting Gaston was an obvious indicator that the vlogger originally planned to put out the footage as she’d recorded it - with random people, including children, whom she doesn’t know nor has gotten their permission to film for her channel’s content.
It was clear to Gaston that this vlogger was making multiple families uncomfortable, and the quick moments that you do catch a glimpse of the guests’ faces, including the little boy, really brought that home IMHO. Gaston trying to keep things cheerful was a clear indicator to me that he was trying to gently (but in character) diffuse the situation. This woman posted herself up in the M&G exit area with her own family that had already met Gaston, and honest it was looking pretty cramped. She was affecting the experience of other guests.
Obviously if you come to a theme park, people are going to be walking around taking photos and video in passing everywhere. But this vlogger posted up shop in an exit area and was recording a bunch of strangers’ interactions and making them uncomfortable. Gaston didn’t slap the camera out of her hand or yell at her. He earnestly asked a favor of her to stop and she just laughed and ignored him.
The vlogger was being creepy and now it’s clear that she’s bitter too, riling up her followers to call for him to be fired.
CMs aren’t toys for guests, CMs can tell A guest that they cannot do something, and CMs deserve respect. The fact that you’re at Disney World doesn’t mean that you have a free pass to be rude to everyone else around you. The sense of entitlement is exhausting to observe sometimes...
Some interesting replies so thanks for all those contributing. I can see both sides to the argument, though my gut instinct is it was her proximity to the characters and guests that made people a bit uncomfortable more than anything.
My wife and I don't have kids so perhaps my perspective is a little off to those of parents, but I've always wondered what the fear is of strangers filming kids in Disney? I mean I can put myself in parents shoes, I completely get the thought of some person you don't know showing interest in your kids being odd or creepy. However unless they're in a position to harm your kids what is the concern with them filming them?
I get it's 'creepy', 'odd', 'weird' or 'annoying', I really do. But likewise somebody with 666 tattooed on their forehead with their girlfriend or boyfriend on a leash is all those things but would you object to that and speak out about it? I'm guessing those who say that they'd tell somebody filming their kids to stop immediately are doing so because on a very basic level your love for your kids overrules a bit of logical thinking? I mean if the person is a sex predator interested in children, it's very unlikely he or she's going to visit Disney to film kids before deciding which one to abduct. And if they are some weirdo who gets off on watching videos of kids that they film, as sickening as that is that's not something you know is happening in this instance. I would hope that if you genuinely had suspicions that there was a predator in the park, that you'd report them to security anyway as it's all children we should protect where possible and not just our own. So is there genuine fear that a weirdo filming your kids could harm your children, or is it more the natural protective mode kicking in and you want them to stop because it's upsetting you rather than because you think it could put your kids in real danger?
My wife and I don't have kids so perhaps my perspective is a little off to those of parents, but I've always wondered what the fear is of strangers filming kids in Disney? I mean I can put myself in parents shoes, I completely get the thought of some person you don't know showing interest in your kids being odd or creepy. However unless they're in a position to harm your kids what is the concern with them filming them?
I get it's 'creepy', 'odd', 'weird' or 'annoying', I really do. But likewise somebody with 666 tattooed on their forehead with their girlfriend or boyfriend on a leash is all those things but would you object to that and speak out about it? I'm guessing those who say that they'd tell somebody filming their kids to stop immediately are doing so because on a very basic level your love for your kids overrules a bit of logical thinking? I mean if the person is a sex predator interested in children, it's very unlikely he or she's going to visit Disney to film kids before deciding which one to abduct. And if they are some weirdo who gets off on watching videos of kids that they film, as sickening as that is that's not something you know is happening in this instance. I would hope that if you genuinely had suspicions that there was a predator in the park, that you'd report them to security anyway as it's all children we should protect where possible and not just our own. So is there genuine fear that a weirdo filming your kids could harm your children, or is it more the natural protective mode kicking in and you want them to stop because it's upsetting you rather than because you think it could put your kids in real danger?
Goofyernmost
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It suddenly occurred to me that since it was mentioned that there was uncertainty as to whether or not Gaston was still in character that maybe he was. Even if he wasn't, it was not his place to "scold" a guest and be thought of as a legit situation. The response of the lady in question seems to me to be more of a reaction when one honestly thinks they are being punk'd. Gaston is an actor playing a part and she just became part of the show. Therefore, she didn't take it seriously, because she would have no reason to think that it was serious. Don't forget WDW is almost 100% fantasy and make-believe. Let's for a minute say that she was unaware that it might be serious and put yourself in that situation, wouldn't you laugh and think it was just audience participation? I certainly would.
If Gaston's character was sincerely reprimanding a guest while still in character he should be taken from that position if for no other reason the lack of professionalism. As I said before, there is no possible way of taking pictures in Disney without having a complete unknown be in it. There are just to many people in the area to isolate them. I feel that the lady was not doing anything wrong and perhaps Gaston wasn't either if it were just part of the show, however, that part is unlikely because he couldn't stay in real time for the character since there were no camera's in the era of his story.
NickMaio
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Sadly taking videos and posting them on YouTube can become part of the culture now.
I personally don't think its right to get a monetary gain while filming others without their consent or knowledge.
If WDW is filming for a promo there are signs stating this.
Yes you are in public, however there is a BIG difference filming for your own personal collection and filming for a youtube channel.
Its more a culture of me,me,me and F everyone else.
People don't stop and think of others and how their actions effect them.
I personally don't think its right to get a monetary gain while filming others without their consent or knowledge.
If WDW is filming for a promo there are signs stating this.
Yes you are in public, however there is a BIG difference filming for your own personal collection and filming for a youtube channel.
Its more a culture of me,me,me and F everyone else.
People don't stop and think of others and how their actions effect them.
NelleBelle
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Excellent points and food for thought!
I think my. personal issue with some blogger taking video (or pictures) of my children intentionally (or unintentionally) isn't that he/she may be a predator, but that they post this on their channel on the internet for who knows what predators to see. I think @DoleWhipDrea summed it up nicely with the fact that M&Gs are more intimate an experience and if you want to film a one-on-one moment, get in line and have your own experience with the character yourself. It just seems rude to be filming others character interactions. Take pictures of the character the brief moment between families coming in the meet the character when they're by themselves if you must. Or rather, just get in line and meet them yourself! I think the issue with bloggers filming in the parks is the ones I watch try to just film themselves with other mostly out of focus in the background--the blogger isn't intentionally focusing on certain people, like this woman was (at least the couple of bloggers I tend to view).
I think my. personal issue with some blogger taking video (or pictures) of my children intentionally (or unintentionally) isn't that he/she may be a predator, but that they post this on their channel on the internet for who knows what predators to see. I think @DoleWhipDrea summed it up nicely with the fact that M&Gs are more intimate an experience and if you want to film a one-on-one moment, get in line and have your own experience with the character yourself. It just seems rude to be filming others character interactions. Take pictures of the character the brief moment between families coming in the meet the character when they're by themselves if you must. Or rather, just get in line and meet them yourself! I think the issue with bloggers filming in the parks is the ones I watch try to just film themselves with other mostly out of focus in the background--the blogger isn't intentionally focusing on certain people, like this woman was (at least the couple of bloggers I tend to view).
