I think the chart is of the Disney share price... but honestly it is a pointless chart to look at since Disney is much more than just amusement parks.... Can't forget that once Disney started buying things like ABC, ESPN and other non-amusement park assets the use of a the stock price as a measurement for the parks became dubious at best.
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investors vs. some unhappy guest
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The parks are not their most profitable business by a long shot.
The parks and resorts make about 2.2 billion per year.
ESPN makes 10 billion.
Also, how much a particular section of a company makes is not the the only thing you have to consider. The ROI, or "bang for your buck" is very important. Netting a billion dollar profit from a $100 million investment is better than netting the same billion dollar profit from a $750 million investment.
From what I understand, the parks and resorts have one of the lower ROIs in Disney's portfolio.
All that data would easily answer the questions... but that data is unlikely to ever be released to anyone outside a small circle in the Disney empire. Best you can hope to get in the public side is the park attendance which I've seen published by trade publications every so often.
bethymouse
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Andrew C
You know what's funny?
It does get annoying that Poly continuously opens new threads for what is essentially the same topic. However, as you can see, a lot of us usually take the bait anyways...
Lucky
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I have him on ignore, and had to click on "show ignorant content" or whatever to find out what all this was about.
ULPO46
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Oh how I love stocks ( Sarcasm ) feels like it was 5 years ago when Disney shares where selling for 30 bucks a share. But then they began buying Marvel, Lucasfilm, Avatar was announced. Stocks go up and down over the course of the economy and global market place as well as larger IP's, it's just a fact of how the world runs on money. As for the theme parks the price has nothing to do with how the state of the parks are. Indeed this year alone Disney will rake out more than 100 million US Dollars through it's company but, that's just speculating give or take how much Star Wars brings in. So far in presale alone it's broken records.
MickeyMomV
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Ok, just to answer the original question without getting into the who picks on who drama. Personally, I don't think there is any correlation between the investors represented by the graph (top is stock price at a specific point in time and bottom in the volume traded for the same time period) and guest satisfaction. The disney stock price fluctuation has followed overall market fluctuation almost exactly over the time period of the graph. If there was something specific to Disney such as lost revenues from unhappy guests I would expect the price to fall with market price or fall despite market recovery. Truth be told attendance has been increasing despite price increases and reduced promotions. I'm just not sure this chart tells the store the OP was hoping it would.
Matt_Black
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ShoalFox
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- In the Parks
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I thought this was well established? It may be heard to realize, but we're just a very vocal minority. Most guests don't care in the slightest about the park quality; they just go because it's Disney.
As long as guests keep coming, which they are, the company sees no problem.
As long as guests keep coming, which they are, the company sees no problem.
Dwarful
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Thread drift....nice avatar...miss Oshie in STL.
JIMINYCR
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Exactly... we are so minor a voice that they dont notice, guests may complain but they keep coming back. I know many who came home with complaints ( sime were valid, many were groundless) swearing they wouldnt return, but then forgot about their issues and booked return trips the next year. The revenue doesnt dip enough to make a ripple and force changes to the way things are.
CaptainAmerica
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The OP also makes the faulty assumption that internet rambling of hardcore obsessives is a representative sample of overall guest satisfaction. It's not.
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CaptainAmerica
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I agree with your general point, but would frame it slightly differently. I think most guests do care about quality, it's just that those folks have no problem with Disney's quality. Their point-of-reference for WDW quality is Lake Compounce or Six Flags New England or Hershey Park. Compared to those places, Disney is pristine.
Good point. My local Costco is selling a great Roku bundle for under $300. The only cable provider in my town is Comcast. I would happily "cut the cord" now that HBO offers streaming separate from a cable provider - have Hulu, Netflix & Amazon Prime - except for one thing. I'd loose ESPN.
Seeing those charts took me back to my investment and portfolio & security analysis courses in B school. "Class, people who invest in the stock market are in for the long haul. People who churn stocks aren't investors, they're speculators. Understand the difference. Over time, most stocks increase in value. As long as the company fundamentals are sound, don't worry about periodic dips in value."
rucifee
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...and here you are bullying people over and over again because they don't say what you want to hear.
rucifee
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This is very true, although they are investing a small amount of their income back into the parks now that the other area attractions are becoming much more competitive. That's in my opinion more important to them than pesky guest feedback as their competition has marketing and R&D dollars to actually hurt them financially.
Yes, quoting someone else's words is just that. Well, actually it's not....