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News Improvements coming to the entrances of all four Walt Disney World theme parks

TrainChasers

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Along with better looking security checks, I wish they would add signage to help explain the process better. Each park has a slightly different version of the process and their is no signage explaining anything, just security cm’s telling each individual guest what to do.

One time at studios, I was told I had to go through the no bag line unless I had a bag. Is that an official policy? Who knows!
 

MrPromey

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So i was there the week after 911 .and they were all ready checking, bags etc looks like that will never change.
I guess after almost 18 years, they've accepted this is a permanent necessity. Sad that we live in a world where that has to be the case but good that they have finally begun work to streamline the process.

I hope more work can go into things like park-hopping where once you have gone through a check and are "in the system" you don't have to do it again if you move directly with Disney transportation.

I know that was supposed to be a feature of the up-charge transportation but since that's gone, it seems like it would be better for them and guests to make this happen and eliminate another bottleneck (and need for additional security staffing).

At the moment, they may be happy with a little more inconvenience when it comes to park hopping but as the three parks who have needed to, have begun to shape up and maybe, if they get evening hours more evenly spread across all four parks in coming years, this option will start to seem like a good thing to them, again. (fingers crossed)
 

I am Timmy

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What exactly is this security screening on the walkway between MK and Contemporary? For example - say I take an Uber to the Contemporary for lunch, then walk to MK from there. What exactly will be different from now? Or, walking back to the resort after MK closes to catch an Uber. We did this quite a bit in Dec. and never saw any security, now I'm curious. Or possibly confused. We'll go with both. TIA!!
 

peter11435

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What exactly is this security screening on the walkway between MK and Contemporary? For example - say I take an Uber to the Contemporary for lunch, then walk to MK from there. What exactly will be different from now? Or, walking back to the resort after MK closes to catch an Uber. We did this quite a bit in Dec. and never saw any security, now I'm curious. Or possibly confused. We'll go with both. TIA!!
This is a permanent location for bag check and metal detectors along that path. Replacing the temporary tent that has been in place. If you walked that path in Dec then you went through this security checkpoint already as it has been in place a while.
 

FullSailDan

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I guess after almost 18 years, they've accepted this is a permanent necessity. Sad that we live in a world where that has to be the case but good that they have finally begun work to streamline the process.

I hope more work can go into things like park-hopping where once you have gone through a check and are "in the system" you don't have to do it again if you move directly with Disney transportation.

I know that was supposed to be a feature of the up-charge transportation but since that's gone, it seems like it would be better for them and guests to make this happen and eliminate another bottleneck (and need for additional security staffing).

At the moment, they may be happy with a little more inconvenience when it comes to park hopping but as the three parks who have needed to, have begun to shape up and maybe, if they get evening hours more evenly spread across all four parks in coming years, this option will start to seem like a good thing to them, again. (fingers crossed)
It's really not that bad to go through security, it takes us less than a few minutes usually even in early morning. By the time you'd be park hopping, the lines are usually really low. The bigger win for the backstage transport was not having to wait for buses and long walks to them. Ultimately the service was doomed to fail, it wasn't enough of a perk to justify the price, and if they priced it too much lower then it would have been overcrowded and defeated the purpose. I'd rather see the company invest in the parks then in trying to double the needed buses for those parkhopping vs not.
 

ABQ

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Epcot main gate is the one that's still a horror show. The other 3 parks, though who knows once Star Wars opens what it'll be like at the Studios, aren't that bad. MK with all its pushing of bag checks back to the resorts and boat docks has made things much easier. But under that monorail station at Epcot can be quite a disaster.
 

tissandtully

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Epcot main gate is the one that's still a horror show. The other 3 parks, though who knows once Star Wars opens what it'll be like at the Studios, aren't that bad. MK with all its pushing of bag checks back to the resorts and boat docks has made things much easier. But under that monorail station at Epcot can be quite a disaster.
I agree, Epcot is definitely the worst, especially since people coming off the monorail have already been through bag check, but they let bus riders mix with those and they have to check your bags again! It's very frustrating. Apparently this is being addressed in the redesign?
 

MrPromey

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It's really not that bad to go through security, it takes us less than a few minutes usually even in early morning. By the time you'd be park hopping, the lines are usually really low. The bigger win for the backstage transport was not having to wait for buses and long walks to them. Ultimately the service was doomed to fail, it wasn't enough of a perk to justify the price, and if they priced it too much lower then it would have been overcrowded and defeated the purpose. I'd rather see the company invest in the parks then in trying to double the needed buses for those parkhopping vs not.
I'd rather them invest in the parks rather than double the needed buses, too, which is why I'm suggesting nothing like that, at all. I may have been a little unclear in my original post, though.

I'm not talking about adding transportation, just making it so you don't have to go through security a second time if you've already passed through it to enter another park and are staying within secured areas. So if you take the monorail from Ticket and Transportation to Epcot, you've already done security. Why have to do it again other than Disney logistics, (which shouldn't be the guest's problem) Same with park-to-park buses.

In the case of the Epcot monorail line, swapping the entrance and exit at the Monorail station would be one easy way to fix that. A slightly more involved way would be redoing the exit to finally eliminate that runway which was only put there there as the preview area for Epcot while it was still under construction when all you could really do was take the monorail out, look around there and then go back. The extra hike to go out and then come back at the bottom has been a waste of steps for decades, adding nothing to the guest experience.

I'm glad you've had mostly fast and easy times with security. That has not always been the case for me, traveling with young children with strollers and older family members that have mobility devices and the various accoutrements and supplies that come with them all.

Maybe I'm just bitter because I know by myself, I could just breeze through the no-bag entrance but my pack mule minded family aren't just an annoyance to me, they, and many others like them, are also a problem for everyone behind us in a security line.

Basically it comes down to this: Lines and waiting are what most of my day at Disney is. Lines to get into a parking lot, lines to get to a parking space, waiting for a tram, lines to go through security, lines to buy tickets/passes (okay, this one's only once a year for my pass), lines to get on a monorail or ferry or bus, lines to get into a park, lines to do just about anything in a park (even with fastpass), lines to eat quick-service food, lines to leave a park, lines to get on a tram back to a car, lines to get out of a parking lot at the end of the night... If I thought about it, I could probably give even more examples but I think you get my point.

Honestly, I spend more of my time in lines or waiting than doing anything else when I go there, these days and by an overwhelminly large margin as new attraction times seem to be getting shorter and shorter. As prices and waits both continue to go up with no apparent ceiling in sight for either, it becomes less and less of an enjoyable experience. I'd consider eliminating any of those lines or waits a win and this feels like it would be an easy win.

Until it maybe/eventually gets over-run and has its own problems, I love mobile ordering for this reason. Did they need to add that? No but I'm glad they did and I don't think we missed out on an e-ticket to get that space established at the counters or the mobile ordering functionality created for the app.

First-world problems? Perhaps but everything related to a Disney vacation that isn't ideal is, don't you think?

I don't think resolving this park-to-park transportation quirk would be a (relatively) expensive issue for Disney since it's just about entrances and exits for specific transportation routes that already exist, especially at a time that entrances are already being reconfigured, anyway.

Getting anyone out of a line makes things better for everyone in the line so I don't see who would be the losers in all this.

For the record, I'm not overly-passionate about this single issue and I realize there are plenty of other things more pressing for Disney to address but it's still something I'd like to see them address, at some point, anyway, none-the-less.
 
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pdude81

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Can't just swap the ramps at Epcot. Then you're making thousands of people get in a security line to leave the park, which would be much more unpopular.
 

seascape

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Once they finish the bridge being built from the monorail station into Epcot, the entire monorail system will be inside the security zone.
 

JohnD

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Once they finish the bridge being built from the monorail station into Epcot, the entire monorail system will be inside the security zone.
I guess that would be true. You would either enter security at the TTC then board the Epcot monorail, go through security at the MK resorts then transfer to the Epcot monorail, or board the express or resort monorail from MK to the TTC and transfer to the Epcot monorail, having already gone through security to enter MK.

But into the Epcot security zone but outside the gate. Still need to check for valid entry.
 

MrPromey

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Can't just swap the ramps at Epcot. Then you're making thousands of people get in a security line to leave the park, which would be much more unpopular.
Why would they need to get in a security line? Just put an exit gate over there on that side like they have to go to the parking lot by foot on the other. Could be done overnight.
 

pdude81

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Why would they need to get in a security line? Just put an exit gate over there on that side like they have to go to the parking lot by foot on the other. Could be done overnight.
So you are saying that they have an easy solution to secure that area that they can implement overnight? But this solution requires that they change the traffic flow and not just secure the area?
 

jaklgreen

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I guess that would be true. You would either enter security at the TTC then board the Epcot monorail, go through security at the MK resorts then transfer to the Epcot monorail, or board the express or resort monorail from MK to the TTC and transfer to the Epcot monorail, having already gone through security to enter MK.

But into the Epcot security zone but outside the gate. Still need to check for valid entry.
But those getting off of the monorail are not enclosed in a gated area. They are free to leave and go to the parking lot. So anyone can get off of the monorail, after going through security at the TTC, and then go out to a car and get whatever they want. They would have to make the ramp enclosed somehow. And right not that would hinder the people coming off of the buses and the trams.
 

MrPromey

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So you are saying that they have an easy solution to secure that area that they can implement overnight? But this solution requires that they change the traffic flow and not just secure the area?
I’m saying if they reverse the traffic flow, the area is already secure. The ramp you go up to get on the monorail today is already behind the security area so reversing it would deposit guests coming from the ticket and transportation center beyond the security.

Of course, signs would need to be updated, monorail programming would need to be changed to reverse the order doors open and such but this isn’t a change that would require serious construction or detailed planning to implement.

My point is, unless I’m missing something (and I might be - feel free to set me straight if I am) this feels like low hanging fruit to me.
 

monothingie

Ridiculous Protector of the Status Quo
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I’m saying if they reverse the traffic flow, the area is already secure. The ramp you go up to get on the monorail today is already behind the security area so reversing it would deposit guests coming from the ticket and transportation center beyond the security.

Of course, signs would need to be updated, monorail programming would need to be changed to reverse the order doors open and such but this isn’t a change that would require serious construction or detailed planning to implement.

My point is, unless I’m missing something (and I might be - feel free to set me straight if I am) this feels like low hanging fruit to me.
I brought this up a while ago and fully agree, the only potential problem is where the tram stop and current monorail exit basically share the same space. It could get pretty tight, but I don't think it can't be done.

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MrPromey

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I brought this up a while ago and fully agree, the only potential problem is where the tram stop and current monorail exit basically share the same space. It could get pretty tight, but I don't think it can't be done.

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The secure exit to monorail! That’s the part I wasn’t seeing. You’re absolutely right that there would also need to be a secure path back, otherwise, someone could board from Epcot and get into the TTC area without going through security!

Still a pretty easy fix with the move/addition of some fencing. Not sure they’d even need to reverse the flow in this scenario (thought i think it would still make sense to).
 
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