HTF is being cryptic on Twitter again

lazyboy97o

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Where??? What exactly do you mean???

I think you could make a really cool Epcot like, many thrill rides, high tech attractions type of park out of ST but would the public in general show up to pay for it??????? The many worlds, aliens could make for a crazy amount of things to do, see , eat and drink. Make a hotel based on Risa????
The aforementioned, highly praised Star Trek Experience and even Star Trek Adventure at... Universal Studios Florida. Not to mention plenty more ideas like a full size Enterprise sitting on Freemont Street.
 

lazyboy97o

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Potter attracts a wide range of people from young to old. I know a 64 year old who read all the books and was excited to go see what Universal had done with Potter. On the other hand all the kids know Potter as well as women. Potter offers a story that a just about anyone can get into. One thing ST is not good at is attracting women. You are right it may attract a different crowd into the park but like I said I'm not sure about that. Not sure if the price would equal the head count.

I have seen businesses that I loved come and go for the reason that their business was just a little to narrow to appeal to enough people to keep it going.
A new attraction would probably be based on the new films.
 

flynnibus

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The attraction in vegas was very well done. Being in a major theme park would be great for the people traffic... But at the same time so difficult because of the capacity demands. Bring it on! Trekies vs star wars in the florida swamps :)

Even do it in the studios and bring backmthe old green screne attractions where people insert themselves into,the shows ;)
 

matt78

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Can we get this?
 

Mike S

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The prevailing rumor is for ST to take Shrek's place.

So not really a huge attraction, but enough to draw in that Demo.

The storyline would be something like we are new cadets at Starfleet Academy and after some training we enter the enterprise bridge and are drawn into a Klingon battle.
Could be cool if they add some really cool theming to the interior. I would've liked a whole land with a U.S.S. Enterprise in that plot by MIB but this could be cool too.
 

matt78

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The prevailing rumor is for ST to take Shrek's place.

So not really a huge attraction, but enough to draw in that Demo.

The storyline would be something like we are new cadets at Starfleet Academy and after some training we enter the enterprise bridge and are drawn into a Klingon battle.

Sounds similar to Star Trek the Experience. Wish it was going elsewhere so we could get the Borg show too.
 

JT3000

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The more I think about Star Trek the more I'm thinking it won't work well in a them park. I know Trek up and down but it is a very guy franchise and not the most family friendly. I say that because I can't get my son to watch anything Star Trek and his friends don't watch any off it either. Star Trek isn't like Star Wars, you have to be geared towards science and thinking to get something out of ST. SW??? It's friendly to people who don't think much out. I like like SW because chirping droid, cute animal on an alien world, etc. etc. Two different franchises with totally different appeal going on.

Not a SW fan BTW.

The older versions of the franchise don't appeal to younger people, not because they're too complicated, but because they suck. Terrible acting (hello, Shatner) and general, off-the-scale cheesiness were acceptable in the 60's, but not now. People mock the Star Wars prequels for the exact same reasons (that and the fact that Lucas purposely tried to appeal to kids in Phantom Menace.) The new Trek movies try to deliver much the same formula, without the extra helpings of cheese and unnecessarily slow pacing, and they work just fine.

And yes, any potential ST attraction would HAVE to be based on the new films, for a number of reasons.
 
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flynnibus

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The prevailing rumor is for ST to take Shrek's place.

So not really a huge attraction, but enough to draw in that Demo.

Yuck... while obviously the ST:E had a motion base theater attraction... what made it all work was everything around it and leading up to it.. and the (IMO) superior stuff like using live actors and small groups. Having just the motion base theater with nothing else would be a poor substitute. I'm sure they can make a great attraction of it, but it would always feel like a let down IMO. Now, if they take over the building across the alley and do more.. then I'd be interested :)
 

tribbleorlfl

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If the GP hasn't been saying "yawn, more Disney characters" at Disney, I think LotR will be just fine at UNI. If that is what's happening.
We'll have to agree to disagree, because I'm just not following that reasoning. While the Disney IP's featured in the parks might have similarities (ie, Fairy Tales), there's enough differentiation in the source materials and presentation where there's little confusion. I say this as a fan of both franchises, I just don't see as a wide a buffer between HP and LotR (especially in the GP), and I just can't imagine the theme park experiences would be dramatically different.
 

Tony Perkis

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We'll have to agree to disagree, because I'm just not following that reasoning. While the Disney IP's featured in the parks might have similarities (ie, Fairy Tales), there's enough differentiation in the source materials and presentation where there's little confusion. I say this as a fan of both franchises, I just don't see as a wide a buffer between HP and LotR (especially in the GP), and I just can't imagine the theme park experiences would be dramatically different.
I think you're underestimating LOTR as both exemplary examples of fantasy literature and arguably one of the best motion picture trilogies of all time.

The general public would know the difference just fine.
 

tribbleorlfl

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The older versions of the franchise don't appeal to younger people, not because they're too complicated, but because they suck. Terrible acting (hello, Shatner) and general, off-the-scale cheesiness were acceptable in the 60's, but not now. People mock the Star Wars prequels for the exact same reasons (that and the fact that Lucas purposely tried to appeal to kids in Phantom Menace.) The new Trek movies try to deliver much the same formula, without the extra helpings of cheese and unnecessarily slow pacing, and they work just fine.

And yes, any potential ST attraction would HAVE to be based on the new films, for a number of reasons.

Yes, because Mark Hamill was an Oscar-winning actor in the original trilogy.

I actually partially agree with you, though, that ST doesn't really resonate w/ younger modern audiences. However, it's not because it "sucks" (your opinion, not fact) but like you pointed out, it's not as action and adventure-oriented as SW. ST has always been more cerebral and mature, favoring character development over needless violence.

I'd also contend it's a lack of marketing towards those younger audiences and wide syndication during prime kid and teen viewing times (though with online streaming, one could argue syndicated tv is now meaningless).

Yuck... while obviously the ST:E had a motion base theater attraction... what made it all work was everything around it and leading up to it.. and the (IMO) superior stuff like using live actors and small groups. Having just the motion base theater with nothing else would be a poor substitute. I'm sure they can make a great attraction of it, but it would always feel like a let down IMO. Now, if they take over the building across the alley and do more.. then I'd be interested :)
Agree with you there, ST is big enough IP where it lends itself to more than a small attraction shoehorned into the Shrek theater.

Personally, if they do lock down ST, the resulting attraction should go into the San Francisco area (Disaster) for obvious reasons.

I also hope they don't go with a simple flying simulator, which would be way too predictable (and overdone). With UO proving w/ WWoHP they can create awesome, immersive themed environments, I want to see them do some kind of interactive walk-through attraction (think STtE x 1,000).

I guess you have to base anything off the new movies. I wasn't just talking about the old Trek's, Next Generation and even Deep Space worked well. Truthfully I haven't watched the original series for years.
Actually, I'm not so sure a ST attraction would be based on the reboot movies. Licensing rights to ST are all over the place. CBS retains the rights to tv, games and merch while Paramount has film rights (subject to CBS approval). CBS is VERY protective of the IP (particularly TOS), and that's why JJ Abrams reportedly walked away (he wanted to do a marketing blitzkrieg for the new movies w/tons of merch and even a new show set in the reboot timeline, but CBS didn't authorize it for fear it would compete with and damage the TOS ip).

The current deal between Bad Robot, Paramount and CBS calls for 3 movies with the reboots being the only ST released on film and tv during that time. As such, CBS can't proceed with a new show set in the "prime" universe until this next one's released, and all signs are pointing to them anxiously awaiting that opportunity. No way they authorize an attraction that keeps the reboots competing against whatever they want to do.
 

TalkingHead

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Very cerebral. Really makes you think.
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That episode is hardly representative of the series as a whole. (Granted, I don't get the love for Tribbles, either...but the show and the Motion Picture, at least, were far more cerebral than Star Wars.)
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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I love the Star Trek movies and went to the experience at the Las Vegas Hilton a few times but I'm not sure how you translate it to a theme park. I can't think of a single land based location, other than San Francisco, for Star Trek which really limits them to the Enterprise and space for theming. They did a good job of creating a cool Enterprise walk-through and simulator in Vegas, and I think Universal could expand on that a bit, but without other destinations I just don't think it's enough for a full expansion, definitely enough for a very cool ride but nothing on the scale of HP or a separate land.
 

champdisney

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Honestly, I don't believe the rumors of Shrek leaving as I've heard rumblings of a fifth installment that'll soon be in the works. Also, the franchise is still popular and Universal still uses the characters in promotional material. I just don't see it being replaced just yet.

Mind you, I'm no way a Trekkie... BUT, I do believe in top-notch themed environments and something like Star Trek deserves a bigger space. I'm not sure how much space they have back there but if they could clear up Fear Factor, I would think they'll have enough room to build an Enterprise show building with whatever ideas they have for the actual attraction inside.
 
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twebber55

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"A decline in admissions along with diminished talks between Cedar Fair and the Las Vegas Hilton brought about the attraction's closure on September 1, 2008.[4]

The closing ceremony was held on September 1, 2008. The public was invited to attend the ceremony, which was presented in the tradition of a naval decommissioning ceremony. Giving the keynote at the closing was Suzie Plakson, who introduced all the members of Star Trek: The Experience staff. April Hebert, who played the Vulcan T'pril, was introduced last as the longest serving cast member of Star Trek: The Experience and given the United Federation of Planets banner. Avery Brooks and Chase Masterson were also in attendance for the closing ceremony, and Garrett Wang made a brief appearance at Quark's shortly before closing. Chad Boutte, Operations Manager of Star Trek: The Experience gave the final speech with the final words "live long and prosper".
looks like its closed
im not an IP guy so i think this could work or fail based all on execution, plus i think it could fit well back by MIB in world expo....
 

twebber55

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I love the Star Trek movies and went to the experience at the Las Vegas Hilton a few times but I'm not sure how you translate it to a theme park. I can't think of a single land based location, other than San Francisco, for Star Trek which really limits them to the Enterprise and space for theming. They did a good job of creating a cool Enterprise walk-through and simulator in Vegas, and I think Universal could expand on that a bit, but without other destinations I just don't think it's enough for a full expansion, definitely enough for a very cool ride but nothing on the scale of HP or a separate land.
i ve always believed in this (part that i bolded and underlined) does the IP translate well to a theme park land/ride...HP and Cars land were/are perfect theme park settings
of course dinoland is a great theme park idea but an atrocity to theme park lands so what matters to me is
1. Execution
2. Does it translate to a theme park
 

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