asianway
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Ant-Man was a founding Avenger, not gonna happen.
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How will WDW fit into the Marvel Theme Park Universe?
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It is, and that's what I'm finding so bizarre. Why would they want to hem themselves in like that? It seems counterproductive, but @BrianLo's theory makes more sense. Will be interesting to see how it moves going forward.
The rights are for the comic character
Any characters not used in IOA are available for Marvel to use elsewhere. Universal does not get to dictate to marvel that they cant use their IP to make money.
lazyboy97o
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It's clunky, convoluted and already has some self negating aspects, but it also makes sense from a number of "unimportant" storytelling perspectives. The strategy follows the Marvel Cinematic Universe by anchoring the stories in a more real world which has done much of the heavy lifting in establishing the realism on which suspension of disbelief (which is a reaction, not choice) depends. In following that, it avoids the sort of hodgepodge approach of Marvel Super Hero Island where everyone and everything are jammed together because they're from the same related comic books. This all ultimately seems to be a means of working the characters into places they do not naturally fit. Captain America is now free to walk down Main Street, USA because he is visiting Disneyland and not because he time traveled back to a turn of the century small town.
It's convoluted and it likely won't resonate when built out. The whole basis and promise of themed entertainment is transcending the fourth wall. This is why Diagon Alley dropped the whole conceit of trying to explain the presence of hoards of muggles because we are wizards.
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Haymarket2008
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If they really are reevaluating WDW's use of Guardians to the point of having them make small appearances and no attraction (which, imho, is a good thing), then we're possibly not going to see a large Marvel presence in WDW ever.
drwadadli
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I agree with both sides of the thread here.
First, the contract stated to some degree (if I remember the wording correctly) that Comcast has the right to use Marvel Comic characters East of the Mississippi River which is why you will never see Spider-man, the Hulk, and the X-Men in WDW. At the same time, the Adventures are questionable since they do contain the Hulk and Captain America, which are already at Universal. But that being said, Disney knows the contract better than any of us and also knows how to change things or find loopholes that make them able to do some Marvel characters at WDW.
First, the contract stated to some degree (if I remember the wording correctly) that Comcast has the right to use Marvel Comic characters East of the Mississippi River which is why you will never see Spider-man, the Hulk, and the X-Men in WDW. At the same time, the Adventures are questionable since they do contain the Hulk and Captain America, which are already at Universal. But that being said, Disney knows the contract better than any of us and also knows how to change things or find loopholes that make them able to do some Marvel characters at WDW.
danlb_2000
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That is not entirely correct. If a character is part of a family that Uni is using then it is also off limits. Universal isn't using Iron Man, but he is an Avenger so it he can't be used in WDW. There is a pretty strong case to be made that Ant-Man is also part of the Avengers family.
danlb_2000
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A decoration is not enough to be considered a use based on the contract, but Universal has a X-men ride (Storm Force) so they have exlusive rights to all X-men characters.
Captain Chaos
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And they have character meet and greets with a few of the X-men characters as well.
lazyboy97o
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Meet and greets don't count.
PorterRedkey
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EPCOT Center was built on immersive pavilions. Even once you finished the 10-14 minute pavilion ride, there was still interesting things to see. Replacing an overlong attraction with a 3-4 minute thriller seems an over-reaction.
I would rather wait in line 2 hour for a 10-14 minute attraction, than wait 45 minute for a 2-5 minute attraction. Even it the queue is amazing. Just because I am in a pretty line doen't mean I don't hate waiting. Make the attraction longer and cut the queue theme if you have to choose. Unless you want to go all out like FoP, FJ and Indy.
Pre-show for me is different. I like multiple queue room to handle crowd flow and that make you feel like the attraction begins before the ride starts. At the very least, the multiple queue rooms occupy the riders mind while waiting. This is done all while setting up the theme of the ride.
danlb_2000
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They are not theme parks.
csmat99
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And they are also in international waters and not in US.
matt9112
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But clearly dock in the US...
ToTBellHop
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Perhaps that's why it's Marvel Day at Sea?
HauntedMansionFLA
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If they really want to use Marvel characters at WDW, figure out what they can use and start to develop the different characters in the movies. DLR can use Iron Man, Thor and so on and WDW can use a whole different lineup. There are thousands of characters in the Marvel universe - lots of potential.
Princess Leia
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I really hope that if Disney does create Marvel rides in Orlando, they're both new builds and original (so no to creating a second drop tower attraction or making an Iron Man clone (themed to Doctor Strange due to theme park rights).
As for the connections (i.e. Tony being in Hong Kong, Guardians in Anaheim), I don't think that restrictions would be in order. Sure, they couldn't use Tony, but a DHS Guardians ride could have Rocket mention something about the Collector's previous scheme in the past tense.
Has anyone figured out if Captain Marvel could be used in a WDW park, or is she technically a part of the Avengers family? I know she's been a leader of the Avengers in the comics.
As for the connections (i.e. Tony being in Hong Kong, Guardians in Anaheim), I don't think that restrictions would be in order. Sure, they couldn't use Tony, but a DHS Guardians ride could have Rocket mention something about the Collector's previous scheme in the past tense.
Has anyone figured out if Captain Marvel could be used in a WDW park, or is she technically a part of the Avengers family? I know she's been a leader of the Avengers in the comics.
lazyboy97o
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Marvel Studios doesn't care about Walt Disney World nor should Walt Disney World be beholden to what Marvel Studios develops.
DDLand
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Something amusing came to me.
Ironically, the new Theme Park Universe, obsessed with being consistent globally, already has issues. There are 6 Breakout Versions, all with a different set of events. How does a single consistent universe contain 6 different versions of a single Breakout? Unless of course the single Universe is constantly being overwritten by new versions of the same event.
Does the MTPU follow a linear time progression, or does it exist perpetually in the present? When someone watches a Marvel movie, the movie isn't set in the present, it's set in the year it came out. These attractions are always happening for the first time to the guests, so are the characters caught in a time loop where only slight variations are possible?
Because the MTPU does not exist inside a land -instead it's simply a resident of a Park- how can they ever bend time and reuse the same character? For example, if Hong Kong Disneyland's MTPU exists in the present, and Shanghai Disneyland's MTPU exist in the present, how then can a single character be in two parks at the same time? Unless of course they're suggesting that as soon as you enter Mickey Avenue, you are no longer in the park the day you entered, in fact you have just transported to another day. The present you are living in at Shanghai is a different present from the one people are living in at Hong Kong Disneyland.
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Ironically, the new Theme Park Universe, obsessed with being consistent globally, already has issues. There are 6 Breakout Versions, all with a different set of events. How does a single consistent universe contain 6 different versions of a single Breakout? Unless of course the single Universe is constantly being overwritten by new versions of the same event.
Does the MTPU follow a linear time progression, or does it exist perpetually in the present? When someone watches a Marvel movie, the movie isn't set in the present, it's set in the year it came out. These attractions are always happening for the first time to the guests, so are the characters caught in a time loop where only slight variations are possible?
Because the MTPU does not exist inside a land -instead it's simply a resident of a Park- how can they ever bend time and reuse the same character? For example, if Hong Kong Disneyland's MTPU exists in the present, and Shanghai Disneyland's MTPU exist in the present, how then can a single character be in two parks at the same time? Unless of course they're suggesting that as soon as you enter Mickey Avenue, you are no longer in the park the day you entered, in fact you have just transported to another day. The present you are living in at Shanghai is a different present from the one people are living in at Hong Kong Disneyland.
HaHa IP is the best!