Hooked on 'Pirates'

General Grizz

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The massive article had GIGANTIC blow-up photos of scenes from the ride in Disneyland and Walt Disney World. Unfortunately, they appear not to be online.

Enjoy!
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Hooked on 'Pirates'

By Linda Shrieves | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted July 16, 2003

Outside the Pirates of the Caribbean ride in Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom, amid the tourists trying on pirate hats, hook hands and eye patches, a discussion turns to pirates -- and their hunk potential.

Frankly, it's not a lengthy debate.

As any old theme-park salt knows, the pirates on the famed Disney water ride are a crusty, scruffy-looking lot. With heavily bearded faces, dirty bare feet, gap-toothed smiles and leering eyes, they are not exactly the kind of pirates you would like to meet at happy hour.

Conversely, in Disney's latest blockbuster movie, Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl, a few of the pirates are dashing, swashbuckling ladies' men.

Well, only a few.

"Johnny Depp was the only good-looking pirate," says Iva Bloyd, a 24-year-old college student from Beaumont, Texas.

"No, he wasn't," replies her 13-year-old sister, Jessica. "Orlando Bloom was."

"Well, he wasn't really a pirate," Bloyd says, shrugging.

Not that it matters to fans of the theme-park attraction. Disney tourists are eager to see the movie that immortalizes one of their favorite rides. Likewise, visitors who have seen the new film are equally eager to experience the ride that inspired the movie.

Yo-ho-ho and all that.

Yet, in an age of The Matrix-like computer graphics and big-screen comic-book heroes, who would have guessed that the stiff audio-animatronic pirates that inhabit Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean ride could inspire such a swashbuckling action-adventure flick? The movie has been a surprise hit, earning twice as much money at the box office last weekend as its nearest competitor. That's good news for Disney, given the film's un-Disneylike PG-13 rating -- awarded because of the creepy pirate crew that turns into skeletons, violent scenes, and fatal, but not gory, swordplay.

If there has been an uptick in ridership on the water attraction, Disney officials haven't noticed because it's always packed -- particularly in summertime.

But some fans seem to be seeing the Pirates ride in a new, even sentimental, light.

Take Disney regular Larry Fulk. The 38-year-old computer graphic designer from Largo, and his wife saw the movie Thursday, then searched a nearby Disney Store for movie-related T-shirts. When they couldn't find any, they did the next best thing: Bought four-day passes to Disney World.

"After we saw the movie, we had to come and ride the ride again," says Fulk. "This was the first ride we wanted to get on."

"He's always been a pirate at heart," adds his wife, Tammy. "He's always loved the water, he's been a diver, a treasure hunter, the whole thing."

Though most of the movie was filmed in St. Vincent and the Grenadines, any audience worth its weight in Mickey Mouse T-shirts will recognize some familiar moments from the ride. For instance, when pirates in jail dangle a bone in the direction of the jailhouse mutt, in hopes of snatching the jail's key from his mouth, Orlando audiences roar their approval.

"Back home, when my husband saw that scene, he was the only one who laughed," said Lynette Bloyd of Beaumont, Texas. "But when we saw the movie here, everyone laughed -- because they've all been on the ride."

Regular Disney World patrons will also spot familiar scenery in the film when Depp's Capt. Jack Sparrow heads to Tortuga, a pirate-occupied town, in search of his old ship, The Black Pearl, and his mutinous crew. In Tortuga, there's a never-ending party going on, with pirates drinking two-fisted, women chasing pirates and even a pirate asleep amongst the pigs -- just as in the ride.

Yet there's no Jack Sparrow in the ride, no Black Pearl, nor is there even a plot.

"There's really not a plot thread in the attraction," says Disney spokesman Charles Stovall. "It's not that kind of ride."

The moviemakers instead used the Pirates of the Caribbean ride as a framework, and then laid a storyline on top of it. So some scenery may look familiar, including a scene when the Black Pearl anchors in Port Royal and pirates invade the town. The scene looks strikingly like the scene park visitors encounter when their little boat is caught in the cannon fire between a pirate ship and a fort.

Although some visitors may find the theme-park ride, created in 1973, a bit hokey, Disney has no plans to update it. There is a reason, after all, that Pirates of the Caribbean remains a park favorite.

"This one's a classic and we hope the film version will be as well," says Disney spokesman Rick Sylvain. "The ride is cherished by a lot of people who look forward to seeing it when they visit the park."

Walt Disney originally came up with the concept of a pirate adventure ride in the 1950s and presented the idea to the staff at Walt Disney Imagineering. A decade later, the ride debuted in 1967 at Disneyland. The pirates made their first appearance at Disney World in 1973, two years after the park opened.

Pirates have occasionally run afoul of the politically correct crowd. In 1997, Disney officials shut down Disneyland's ride for a face lift -- and in the process changed the scenes in which the audio-animatronic pirates chased buxom women. After some tinkering, Disney Imagineers placed trays of turkey and wine in the maidens' hands, so that it would appear the pirates were chasing them for food and drink.

In Orlando, the women in the attraction have always chased the pirates, using brooms and pitchforks to push them out of their houses.

But if you're looking to chase down movie-related merchandise at Disney World, think again, matey. The gift shop at the end of the ride sells Peter Pan-related pirate merchandise and pirate T-shirts that advertise the theme-park experience, not the movie.

"At Walt Disney World, there's no merchandise available that's related to the movie," says Stovall. "It's all related to the attraction."

Dan and Michelle Apple of Grass Valley, Calif., don't care. As they pored over hand hooks, toy guns, eye patches and other pirate paraphernalia for their two boys, they reflected on their 81/2-minute adventure on the high seas.

"This is one of my favorite rides," Apple says. "This is a period in history, and I think it's a fun way to go back in time -- without having to really experience it."

As for the movie, she and her husband plan to see it as soon as they get home from vacation.

"Frankly, I'm surprised it took them this long to make this movie," Apple says. "Kids love pirates."

And a hearty yo ho ho to that!

Linda Shrieves can be reached at lshrieves@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5433.

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tigsmom

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It seems like everyone is talking about Pirates...here is one from my local paper The Middletown Times-Herald Record (it has an AP byline):

Pirate movies: sunken treasures

By Anthony Breznican
AP Entertainment Writer

Ahoy, me buckos! Be thar a pirate curse on them seeking treasure from movie tales of seafaring thieves?
A look at the scurvy history of many pirate-themed films would be enough to shiver the timbers of even the most resolute Hollywood moviemaker. But Disney is still taking its second gamble in two years on a big-budget buccaneer story.
"Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" sails into theaters on a strong gust of nostalgia from fans of the longtime Disney amusement park ride. Coupled with its supernatural special-effects battles and satiric take on the genre's conventions, that could be enough to, well ... turn the tide in its favor.
The film stars Johnny Depp as the sauntering, dark-eyed rapscallion Capt. Jack Sparrow, bent on reclaiming his vessel from a crew of ghostly, backstabbing ruffians led by Geoffrey Rush as a captain so wicked he transforms into a skeleton in the moonlight.
Producer Jerry Bruckheimer described the task of making a pirate film as an act of derring-do: "I always like to tackle film genres that have failed in the past."
It's been a long time since pirate stories were surefire box-office hits, when Douglas Fairbanks Sr. slid down the sail of a ship on his knife in 1926's "The Black Pirate" or Errol Flynn fenced with glee in "Captain Blood" (1935) and "The Sea Hawk" (1940).
Dozens of imitators followed, but many suffered from a lack of innovation.
"They took these fantasies and then made them very sexual," said historian Jan Rogozinski, author of the book "Pirates!: Brigands, Buccaneers, and Privateers in Fact, Fiction and Legend." "They all had lots of men with naked chests, women with almost naked chests, and they always had a good flogging scene. Everything was stereotyped and I guess it just bored people."
Eventually, pirates became a joke, he added, citing such spoofs as 1944's "The Princess and the Pirate," with Bob Hope as a sailor named Sylvester the Great, and 1946's "Three Little Pirates," in which the Three Stooges annoyed a villain named Black Louie. "They became really campy and really dumb ... which sort of killed it off for a while," Rogozinski said.
There is so much misfortune connected with the genre that DreamWorks refuses to acknowledge that its new cartoon, "Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas," is a pirate movie, even though the hero fits the profile – a rascally sailor who snatches treasure from rival ships. (What else would you call that?)
It also fits the box-office profile of most pirate films: It sank. DreamWorks rejected interview requests for this story.
Among the wreckage of other pirate movies from the past rests the recent hulk of Disney's animated "Treasure Planet," a retelling of the classic Robert Louis Stevenson novel "Treasure Island" with high-tech Spanish galleons wafting through outer space with alien crews and mechanical-armed pirates.
The movie, with a reported budget of $140 million, debuted weakly last November and sank quickly from the box office, earning only about $38 million – a loss so severe Disney later downgraded its earnings estimate for the last quarter of 2002.
Before that came Carolco Picture's mammoth 1995 failure "Cutthroat Island," starring Geena Davis as a sword-wielding woman trying to recover part of a treasure map from a villainous pirate uncle. At a reported cost of $80 million to $100 million, it earned a devastating $10 million at the box office. The debacle helped bankrupt Carolco and earned "Cutthroat Island" a place in the Guinness Book of World Records as one of the costliest movie flops in history.
David Stapleton, a history buff who created an online compendium of pirate movies, said many of Hollywood's recent takes on the genre lacked heart, focusing too much on costumes, sets and action.
"From a historical standpoint virtually every pirate movie that has been made is trash. They pay absolutely no homage to history whatsoever, but that's not why we go to see them. We go to see because we're enamored with the mythology," said Stapleton, a 42-year-old software engineer from Orange County.
The image of the pirate retains a paradoxical place in American lore – at once revered as a hero and reviled as a scoundrel. Have pirate stories lost favor because America has a stricter moral standing about such thieves? Not necessarily.
Think of Internet piracy – the illegal downloading of music and movies – and the way many justify its practice because it's stealing from big companies. Meanwhile, corporate pirates, like some executives at Enron and Adelphia, are reviled.
We still love pirates – and we still love to hate them.
"We all have these frustrations and things we don't want to do," Bruckheimer said. "But a pirate goes through life and he does what he wants to do when he wants to do it."

I can't wait to see the movie.
 

strobe

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My Biggest Fear

While unlikely (due to the potential backlash), my biggest fear is that all the hoolpa about Pirates right now will give someone at Disney the bright idea to 'improve the attraction'.

I truly hope that doesn't happen, but I wouldn't be at all suprised if Disney tries to cash in on the excitement. I believe this is covered in more detail on a different thread here, but I wanted to bring it up, because articles like these (as enjoybale as they are) make me wonder if someone will make a bad decision.
 

General Grizz

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If you take a look carefully at the article, it shows Disney has no plans.

Go to the Pirates thread in news and rumors...it also discusses Disney's lack-of-plans to do so.

:)

(Thanks for the article, tigsmom!)

On topic to the first article, I, too, heard yelling and clapping with the references to the attraction (especially the dog with the key) here in Orlando. Much fun! :sohappy:
 

strobe

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Originally posted by grizzlyhall
If you take a look carefully at the article, it shows Disney has no plans.

Go to the Pirates thread in news and rumors...it also discusses Disney's lack-of-plans to do so.

:)

(Thanks for the article, tigsmom!)

On topic to the first article, I, too, heard yelling and clapping with the references to the attraction (especially the dog with the key) here in Orlando. Much fun! :sohappy:

Oh yeah, I saw the references to that in the article. But knowing how things go in the corporate world, sometimes denials are just as inaccurate as rumors. I was just stating my 'worst fear'. Also I did acknowledge the other thread in my post, but thanks for pointing out the actual title. Also thanks for the 'on topic' pointer - I certainly need to be 'kept on task'... :lol:
 

Big Pooh

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A couple of things struck me about the Sentinel article. First of all, I'm from Beaumont, Tx and is was strange to see someone from Beaumont interviewed for the article. Also:

>>"There's really not a plot thread in the attraction," says Disney spokesman Charles Stovall. "It's not that kind of ride." <<

Does'nt is seem kind of strange for a Disney spokesman to say there's no plot(story) in a Disney attraction? Isn't the fact that there's a story to every attraction what sets Disney apart from your local Six Flags park? Remember, there are no "rides" at Disney. Every attraction is an adventure. It just struck me as odd to read that quote.

Cheers :wave:
 

civileng68

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Re: My Biggest Fear

Originally posted by strobe
While unlikely (due to the potential backlash), my biggest fear is that all the hoolpa about Pirates right now will give someone at Disney the bright idea to 'improve the attraction'.

I truly hope that doesn't happen, but I wouldn't be at all suprised if Disney tries to cash in on the excitement. I believe this is covered in more detail on a different thread here, but I wanted to bring it up, because articles like these (as enjoybale as they are) make me wonder if someone will make a bad decision.


Here's the deal. They are not going to update this attraction for the movie.

Disney does have plans (thought not scheduled) to refurb the cave in the POTC when you first start your journey.

Also, in an past interview about this with the department in charge of refurbishments, they made a good point.

This is a Disney movie. Therefore, Disney knew about this movie YEARS before we all did. If they were going to change the ride they would have done it before the movie was released to have the new theming completed at the time of release. That is a good point and very valid to me.
 

SpongeScott

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Not to thread drift or anything like that, but Steve has requested that we no longer post news articles in our threads due to copyright technicalities. He is requesting that we post links to the stories when we find them. He posted that this morning; I didn't know if you had run across the post yet.

Good articles though, and thanks for sharing.
 

cuteypatooty78

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I guess I really need to see this movie. I just saw the commercial for it and it showed skeletons crawling up the side of a ship. Looks like the film is heavy on the special effects! :)
 

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