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Rumor Hollywood insiders say there's growing tension at Disney as CEO Bob Chapek chafes at Bob Iger's 'long goodbye'

WizardofDestiny123

Active Member
Disney is not licensing anything for parks…they have one knee jerk Cameron partnership - which thankfully delivered - and had complained about Lucas for decades prior to that…

They basically decided video games are worthless systematically over their recent history…which is frankly dumb…because they don’t represent predicable, guaranteed profits.

There’s risk and they’re expensive.

So why would they even entertain it now? “Coming soon to Epcot: GTA, the experience. Grab your gat and mount up!”
In all seriousness, if Disney really wants to supercharge their parks with IP, then focus on getting Universal to sell them the full Marvel Orlando rights, something that I personally argue is unnecessary with Guardians, Doctor Strange, Moon Knight, etc. if all goes right.
 

Poseidon Quest

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Disney could use some “not mind blowing”…something you always want to do, but not a 2 hour queue that doesn’t move or a $25 fee…

That’s really where they screw up now with a 110 minute wait for slinky dog 🙄

Great description/analogy to gringotts…by the way.

I completely agree. I just got back from a week in Disneyland and it was quite crowded, but the abundance of lower tier attractions helped spread the crowds out effectively. I know people think that bringing small, low capacity dark rides into Magic Kingdom's Fantasyland would be a mistake, but it's exactly those attractions that help make crowds far more bearable in Disneyland. Plus, it helps that many of these smaller dark rides feel like they're full of substance, rather than the slate of flat rides located around DCA. While not as bad as Hollywood Studios, DCA still suffered from the issue of having too many e-tickets and not enough supplemental, lower-tier attractions.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
In all seriousness, if Disney really wants to supercharge their parks with IP, then focus on getting Universal to sell them the full Marvel Orlando rights, something that I personally argue is unnecessary with Guardians, Doctor Strange, Moon Knight, etc. if all goes right.
No way in hades

For several reasons:
1. Free money…as in totally free.
2. MCU likely has the peak behind it…not in front of it. They already retired the 2 best characters due to price…another icon is out…one died…there’s only so much Thor in the tank.
3. In order to get marvel…they have to buy off their competition who would immediately - the next day - redo that park with a huge addition.
Something would be ready to go.
And then when you get it…you have to spend several billion dollars of your own cash down the road to use it. Everything takes too long and is over budget when they stick their fingers in things anyway.

Disney is 100% happy with the way it is. Their competitor pays them, advertises their characters, and they can’t really do anything to augment it for gain…but they have to maintain it.
 

WizardofDestiny123

Active Member
Disney could use some “not mind blowing”…something you always want to do, but not a 2 hour queue that doesn’t move or a $25 fee…

That’s really where they screw up now with a 110 minute wait for slinky dog 🙄

Great description/analogy to gringotts…by the way.
The problem with Toy Story land isn't Slinky Dog Dash, which is a fun coaster. It is, as you said, that it needs a people-eater. Perhaps if Lightyear is successful, they can do that by building a Buzz Lightyear dark ride? Frankly, why build a Toy Story Land and still have Space Ranger Spin in Tomorrowland?
 

castlecake2.0

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Yeah…I didn’t say it when you mentioned Dan the other day…

But I’m not a fan of Lee…he had a long history of coming off as disingenuous…and didn’t steer the management in the right direction.

Opinions vary, however. Still probably better than skinny pants
I started right after Lee left so that’s why I’m curious, never saw what he was like, only his books. I did interact with Dan quite a bit, and if he was disingenuous it never showed. He seemed to really care about what was going on in the operation and with cast more than posing for photos with guests, but this was also before social media was “a thing” so who knows how that would have changed it.
 

WizardofDestiny123

Active Member
No way in hades

For several reasons:
1. Free money…as in totally free.
2. MCU likely has the peak behind it…not in front of it. They already retired the 2 best characters due to price…another icon is out…one died…there’s only so much Thor in the tank.
3. In order to get marvel…they have to buy off their competition who would immediately - the next day - redo that park with a huge addition.
Something would be ready to go.
And then when you get it…you have to spend several billion dollars of your own cash down the road to use it. Everything takes too long and is over budget when they stick their fingers in things anyway.

Disney is 100% happy with the way it is. Their competitor pays them, advertises their characters, and they can’t really do anything to augment it for gain…but they have to maintain it.
This, again, is why I pointed out the Marvel characters they can use. If Moon Knight, Blade, and Ghost Rider are huge, they can just build a Midnight Sons mini-land in Hollywood Studios with Doctor Strange as the center of the land. Characters that they can use.

Why limit Marvel experiences to just Spider-Man and the Avengers if they don't need to?

Otherwise, I agree.
 

WizardofDestiny123

Active Member
I agree with most of this, except for Link being more popular than Sonic, and it being a good idea to do any sort of retheme of ToT.
I think a retheme is inevitable, primarily because Disney doesn't own Twilight Zone and they've already rethemed the one in Anaheim. Maybe not Doctor Strange, per se. But it's coming. Ideally, I'd like to see it rethemed to the one in Tokyo DisneySea.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
The problem with Toy Story land isn't Slinky Dog Dash, which is a fun coaster. It is, as you said, that it needs a people-eater. Perhaps if Lightyear is successful, they can do that by building a Buzz Lightyear dark ride? Frankly, why build a Toy Story Land and still have Space Ranger Spin in Tomorrowland?
Why have a SWL
and have Star tours on the other side of muppets?

Or even worse in Anaheim?!

Because Disney has gotten “expensively cheap” in their parks…the ultimate paradox
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
This, again, is why I pointed out the Marvel characters they can use. If Moon Knight, Blade, and Ghost Rider are huge, they can just build a Midnight Sons mini-land in Hollywood Studios with Doctor Strange as the center of the land. Characters that they can use.

Why limit Marvel experiences to just Spider-Man and the Avengers if they don't need to?

Otherwise, I agree.
Too deep down the well of geek, Bud.

The Marvel characters that have enough mainstream appeal are already In use.
 

WizardofDestiny123

Active Member
Mine are the same…they watch game theory videos far more than the mighty ducks D+ series…

This to me is what Iger didn’t get. There a pull to Disney IP and always will be…
But there’s also an inherent overkill to it.

What they’re offering now is only mcu fringe material and mandolorian spin-offs…

Will that translate to parks when they bother to “find the money for it” in 12 years when they’d bled what they have dry (again)?

Need to diversify a little.
Iger should have pounced on Nintendo when he had the chance. Oh well. C'est La Vie. Perhaps it's for the best anyway? Not sure if I would necessarily trust the current management to follow through on a Nintendo land.
 
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FigmentJedi

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I think a retheme is inevitable, primarily because Disney doesn't own Twilight Zone and they've already rethemed the one in Anaheim. Maybe not Doctor Strange, per se. But it's coming. Ideally, I'd like to see it rethemed to the one in Tokyo DisneySea.
The thing with Tower of Terror is that the Twilight Zone barely has anything to do with the actual story beyond a vague excuse for why the elevator incident happened. And Paris basically wrote Serling out of their version already with their Sally Shine redo of the main show.
 

pdude81

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I think a retheme is inevitable, primarily because Disney doesn't own Twilight Zone and they've already rethemed the one in Anaheim. Maybe not Doctor Strange, per se. But it's coming. Ideally, I'd like to see it rethemed to the one in Tokyo DisneySea.
Do you think Twilight Zone licensing is at a large premium these days? I'd think whoever owns it is happy to get anything on top of late night rerun money. Disney has already shown they can rework it and the hordes will still come. It's got to be cheaper to keep it the same and pay someone else for those rights than it is to retheme.
 

WizardofDestiny123

Active Member
The thing with Tower of Terror is that the Twilight Zone barely has anything to do with the actual story beyond a vague excuse for why the elevator incident happened. And Paris basically wrote Serling out of their version already with their Sally Shine redo of the main show.
Either way, the Twilight Zone component is likely not long for this world.
 

lazyboy97o

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Very curious for you to expand on this out of genuine interest
Ever heard of Cockerell Fries? Dining venues at Walt Disney World used to have their own French fries, different cuts and styles at different venues. This uniqueness of items extended beyond French fries to most food items. Chefs decided what to purchase and how to prepare the foods served at their respective venues. Lee changed that. He centralized the sourcing and decision making, so Walt Disney World went from serving a variety of different fries to serving the Cockerell Fries pretty much everywhere.
 

WizardofDestiny123

Active Member
Do you think Twilight Zone licensing is at a large premium these days? I'd think whoever owns it is happy to get anything on top of late night rerun money. Disney has already shown they can rework it and the hordes will still come. It's got to be cheaper to keep it the same and pay someone else for those rights than it is to retheme.
Possibly, but I still think they'd rather retheme it in the long run. Whether that's to Doctor Strange, the new Scarlett Johansson movie, or to Young Frankenstein (kidding, of course).
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Eh, maybe. We'll have to wait and see. Personally, I'm still holding out hope for a Deadpool-themed venue for adults in Disney Springs, hahaha.

But, seriously, they need to think of something.
They have a useful excuse.

New rides cost money both upfront and longterm on maintenance/labor.

And since their prices are far above market value now…it’s hard to “draw in” new clientele for specifics IP. They found it out in 2019…whoever is coming has to afford if first…which means they’re coming or they’re not. Ip has become actually irrelevant. Prices. Bob would be horrified 😱
 

castlecake2.0

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Ever heard of Cockerell Fries? Dining venues at Walt Disney World used to have their own French fries, different cuts and styles at different venues. This uniqueness of items extended beyond French fries to most food items. Chefs decided what to purchase and how to prepare the foods served at their respective venues. Lee changed that. He centralized the sourcing and decision making, so Walt Disney World went from serving a variety of different fries to serving the Cockerell Fries pretty much everywhere.
I do recall that, how he organized things by line of business instead of physical land/location/area. I thought there were rumours a few years ago that they might be going back towards that style of organization then nothing really happened except changing guest service managers to guest ExPeRiEnCe managers. Shame.
 

WizardofDestiny123

Active Member
They have a useful excuse.

New rides cost money both upfront and longterm on maintenance/labor.

And since their prices are far above market value now…it’s hard to “draw in” new clientele for specifics IP. They found it out in 2019…whoever is coming has to afford if first…which means they’re coming or they’re not. Ip has become actually irrelevant. Prices. Bob would be horrified 😱
Ideally, they'd be doing a steady mix of both original and IP rides, attractions, and shows. For every new IP like Encanto or Shang-Chi, there would be something akin to Mystic Manor, Sinbad's Voyages, or Journey to the Center of the Earth.

Oh, well.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Ever heard of Cockerell Fries? Dining venues at Walt Disney World used to have their own French fries, different cuts and styles at different venues. This uniqueness of items extended beyond French fries to most food items. Chefs decided what to purchase and how to prepare the foods served at their respective venues. Lee changed that. He centralized the sourcing and decision making, so Walt Disney World went from serving a variety of different fries to serving the Cockerell Fries pretty much everywhere.
Safety, Courtesy, Show, Efficiency, looks like Efficiency was being utilized.
 
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