my teacher is making me do an essay on the hidden meanings in beauty and the beast and after reading some stuff about it by some other authors... it's a sick sick movie... i don't want to get into the details... but it makes me think about all the other fairy tales that are out there... and what it's teaching children...
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MagicalMonorail
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Ok now you have to give us details. If you're having trouble just put it in code words or G-rated words. Or you can just PM me. It sounds like this B&B stuff might be bad. Let us know!
Woody13
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Most fairy tales are very tragic and very gruesome stories. Hans Christian Andersen and the Grimm Brothers' are my favorites. The fairy tales they wrote describe all types of depraved behavior. By current standards, these writers would be considered immoral, o-pushing, atheistic, child molesting sadists!
There's nothing like a good reading of Cinderella or Snow white if you like sadism and lots of blood!
And yes, there are A LOT of hidden messages (sexual and otherwise) in fairy tales. The Grimm Brothers' were the masters IMO!
There's nothing like a good reading of Cinderella or Snow white if you like sadism and lots of blood!
And yes, there are A LOT of hidden messages (sexual and otherwise) in fairy tales. The Grimm Brothers' were the masters IMO!
ok... for u guys that want to know read on... if u don't u might want to leave
alright...
1. beauty has a oedipal love for her father thus sacraficing herself to the beast
2. belle was like a slave (it makes sence, she was a woman who sacrafices herself... first for her father then to the beast)
3. all women should be "beauties" and nameless (ok might not make sence... but if u read all the other stories that lead to the moive u can see that none of the beauties have names in the story)
4. men don't have to change themselves for women instead they can get them by "blackmail and manipulation" (in the othr stories for beauty and the beast the father is made to give up one of his daughters)
5. one author put it as "women are responcible for male anger and violence"
6. ok i don't really understand this one but it goes on the list " the Beast's s_xual equipment was always part of his charm- hidden or otherwise"
references
"cupid and psyche"
"the lady and the lion"
"beauty and the beast"
disney's beauty and the beast
"resolution and restoration in beauty and the beast"
"beauty and the beast: a lesson in submission"
"go! be a beast"
alright...
1. beauty has a oedipal love for her father thus sacraficing herself to the beast
2. belle was like a slave (it makes sence, she was a woman who sacrafices herself... first for her father then to the beast)
3. all women should be "beauties" and nameless (ok might not make sence... but if u read all the other stories that lead to the moive u can see that none of the beauties have names in the story)
4. men don't have to change themselves for women instead they can get them by "blackmail and manipulation" (in the othr stories for beauty and the beast the father is made to give up one of his daughters)
5. one author put it as "women are responcible for male anger and violence"
6. ok i don't really understand this one but it goes on the list " the Beast's s_xual equipment was always part of his charm- hidden or otherwise"
references
"cupid and psyche"
"the lady and the lion"
"beauty and the beast"
disney's beauty and the beast
"resolution and restoration in beauty and the beast"
"beauty and the beast: a lesson in submission"
"go! be a beast"
wow... too bad that wasn't one of the stories in my book... that would have made a good discussion in class
cherrynegra
Well-Known Member
I remember reading somewhere that the original tale of Beauty and the Beast was written for the daughters of the aristocracy who were being married to much older men. The point being that their old man of a husband may not be much, but that you had to look beyond the outside to find the prince inside. Sort of like the diamond in the rough.
But Woody13 is correct. Many of the fairytales were incredibly bloody. There is a musical by Stephen Soundheim called "Into the Woods" where he uses characters from the Grimm fairytales. He does not sugar coat anything there. I remember watching the show and laughing because he shows that the evil sisters in Cinderella originally cut their toes off in order to fit the glass slipper, and they got their eyes poked out by birds as punishment.
But Woody13 is correct. Many of the fairytales were incredibly bloody. There is a musical by Stephen Soundheim called "Into the Woods" where he uses characters from the Grimm fairytales. He does not sugar coat anything there. I remember watching the show and laughing because he shows that the evil sisters in Cinderella originally cut their toes off in order to fit the glass slipper, and they got their eyes poked out by birds as punishment.
DisneyFan 2000
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Well speculations have always been around Disney fairytales. I have this strange feeling this isn't true. Whenever there's success be sure to see some sick rumors to come along. That is simply the way of life. I believe with all my heart that when animated movies are created, they're created with pure heart and talent and do not try and put in hidden meanings! I have run along a sick website which claims stuff such as:
*That there are Nazzi soldiers in old Disney movies (In movies not related to WWII or Nazzism)
*That one of the towers in The Little Mermaid is made to look like a d**k (Figure it out
)
*In The Lion King the dust under the stars spell out s*x. (They got sued for that one although I believe it was simply not noticed by Disney)
*That Disney princesses are made to appear as s*x symbols (Jasmine, Belle, Snow White [and the seven dwarfs :dazzle: ] )
And many more crazy rumors, and quite frankly I didn't buy any of those rumors. If anything, Disney movies only cut back on s*x and violence from the original story. You can believe if you want, but I don't buy this! IMO it's simply disgusting! This movies (I believe) were made purely for entertaining families!! Sure, some of the princesses look hot but it doesn't mean they were created as s*x symbols!
Share your thoughts!
*That there are Nazzi soldiers in old Disney movies (In movies not related to WWII or Nazzism)
*That one of the towers in The Little Mermaid is made to look like a d**k (Figure it out
)*In The Lion King the dust under the stars spell out s*x. (They got sued for that one although I believe it was simply not noticed by Disney)
*That Disney princesses are made to appear as s*x symbols (Jasmine, Belle, Snow White [and the seven dwarfs :dazzle: ] )
And many more crazy rumors, and quite frankly I didn't buy any of those rumors. If anything, Disney movies only cut back on s*x and violence from the original story. You can believe if you want, but I don't buy this! IMO it's simply disgusting! This movies (I believe) were made purely for entertaining families!! Sure, some of the princesses look hot but it doesn't mean they were created as s*x symbols!
Share your thoughts!
cherrynegra
Well-Known Member
I think the original post concerned research into the hidden meanings of Beauty and the Beast and some other fairytales. Not necessarily the animanted film. All the original stories that the Disney films are based on are very realistic to say the least. Of course they were toned way down, if not modified outright, for the films.
General Grizz
New Member
I believe the Lion King dust spells, "SFX." The only direct reference is in "The Rescuers" - I'm sure you're familiar with this one.
As for Beauty and the Beast, I would give up my life for my mother. . . but I am NOT Oedipus Rex!
As for Beauty and the Beast, I would give up my life for my mother. . . but I am NOT Oedipus Rex!
Wilt Dasney
Well-Known Member
One of the really neat things about hidden meanings...because they're all hidden, they can mean pretty much whatever you want them to. (Note that most "deeper" interpretations tend to go along with whatever biases the person doing the looking already has.)
And the great thing about finding them in stories that are hundreds of years old is that the people who wrote them can't argue with you.
J.R.R. Tolkien went to his grave insisting there was zero allegorical content in Lord of the Rings, and reams of "analysis" of the deeper meanings of that story have been written.
In short: have fun analyzing and reading what other people have written about these stories, but don't take every Freudian dissertation on Cinderella as gospel. Sometimes stories really do mean what they say. :wave:
And the great thing about finding them in stories that are hundreds of years old is that the people who wrote them can't argue with you.
J.R.R. Tolkien went to his grave insisting there was zero allegorical content in Lord of the Rings, and reams of "analysis" of the deeper meanings of that story have been written.
In short: have fun analyzing and reading what other people have written about these stories, but don't take every Freudian dissertation on Cinderella as gospel. Sometimes stories really do mean what they say. :wave:
Originally posted by General Grizz
As for Beauty and the Beast, I would give up my life for my mother. . . but I am NOT Oedipus Rex!
i hope none of us are like Oedipus Rex
hoppypooh
Member
When I was younger my nana gave me a book of fairy tales which pretty much scarred me for life! Disney certainly changed a lot from the original tales - most of them don't have happy endings! A good example is the Little Mermaid... let's just say she doesn't get the prince in the Hans Christian Anderson version!
On an ADULT note... Anne Rice wrote some XXX versions of Beauty & the Beast (under the name A.N. Roquelaure)
Those books are dirty!
On an ADULT note... Anne Rice wrote some XXX versions of Beauty & the Beast (under the name A.N. Roquelaure)
Those books are dirty!
Wilt Dasney
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I remember reading the original right about the same time that Disney released the movie and being surprised at how it ended...the first time I saw the movie, I was so anxious, wondering if Ariel would end up like the mermaid in the story. (I was 7 or so, and the "every Disney movie ends happily" concept hadn't really sunk in for me yet.)
i was searching the net for some more info i could use in my paper and i found this book about disney movies why they add things and why they took parts out. i thought it was interesing