Have you ever agreed with Disney's decision to add POTC movie scenes/characters to the original POTC ride?

Do you agree with Disney adding the movie scenes/characters to the ride?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 32.3%
  • No

    Votes: 36 58.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 9.7%

  • Total voters
    62

No Name

Well-Known Member
You raise a critical point here. The addition of the charismatic and heroic Jack Sparrow altered the context for all the pre-existing pirate pillaging. But it's complicated.

I don't 100% agree that the original iteration of the attraction presented a clear morality tale. I'd like this to be the case, as the pieces of the morality tale are all there and I generally view the attraction in that light, but I don't know that this assertion holds up under scrutiny. Yo Ho is just too catchy and lovable. The trio of singing pirates and the dog and donkey barking and bopping along are just too adorable. The auction scene is a (dark) joke just as much as it's a historical depiction of pirate violence (they want the redhead, not the heavy-set woman! Haha!). And the audience is meant to chuckle, not recoil, when the naked woman appears in the barrel behind the pooped pirate. I'm not saying the original attraction was reprehensible or anything (see: my avatar), but I think it's a bit of a grey area how exactly the audience is supposed to feel about the pirates.

That said, I've never understood how any rational adult can sincerely believe the actions of the pirates on this attraction are intended to be heroic. As if invading and burning a town, torturing men, and auctioning off women was totally cool in 1967. Back in 2018, when Disney added the Redd/hen auction scene, it seemed so dishonest and bewildering to me when advocates of the changes would say "Now, finally, little girls riding the attraction have a role model to look up to, as well!" As if boys experiencing the attraction look up to all the dirty pirates with teeth missing, dressed in ragged clothing, who are shown to be repulsive to the women of the town.
Throughout the 2000s they were big on pushing pirates as the boy substitute for princesses. They had princess makeovers for girls and pirate makeovers for boys. For kids who grew up in this relatively small time period after 2003 and before Star Wars and Marvel, they definitely thought of pirates as heroes.
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
Disney has always had a problem appealing to the male market. They've been looking for some set of IPs that boys will go crazy over as much as girls did for Princesses. Pirates has been played out. That is the reason they bought Marvel and Star Wars. The problem is they aren't seeing the same craze the girls showed. So what do you do with the properties? Re-aim them at girls because they respond better to Disney marketing. Let's replace all the male super heroes with teenage female ones. Let's change Luke into a girl that can do everything but still falls for the bad boy. Let's market the Princesses and "nostalgia" to the LBGTQ group because they have money!
 

Stevek

Well-Known Member
It's fine, doesn't bother me at all. Once they decided to make it more "PC", all bets were off. When people were putting "RIP" roses in front of it, I got even more supportive of the change.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
I voted yes simply because the ride has been changed so much in order to make the pirates less ”pirate” that I don’t think it would make sense without the movie tie in.

Hard to make a ride about pirates when the pirates can’t pillage and plunder anymore, the only option left is to tie it to a movie.
 

Too Many Hats

Well-Known Member
Certainly a fair criticism of my argument. However, I would respond that most of Hollywood's best loved morality plays invite the audience to enjoy the villain's villainy for a bit before they get their comeuppance.

But reasonable people can certainly disagree on that point.

No, I actually completely agree with you here and was going to ruminate a bit about this in my earlier post (but it was long-winded enough as it was).

Without the runtime of Goodfellas or Wolf of Wall Street, and with the morality play told in reverse, I think the attraction ends up downplaying the comeuppance of the pirates to some degree while giving riders a little too much space to enjoy the villainy. Most folks step off the ride humming Yo Ho, having long forgotten about all the skeletons.

Again, I really do see the ride as a morality tale; I just don't think it quite sticks that landing, and I don't necessarily fault audiences for failing to grasp it. When way-too-online lunatics suggest Disney is "endorsing raping and pillaging" via this attraction, I know they're being completely obtuse but I also find it just slightly complicated to issue a 100% confident rebuttal (thanks to defunct elements like the pooped pirate, the fat-shaming jokes, the redhead who's actually into the pirates, etc).
 

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