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News Guest dies, found unresponsive after riding Stardust Racers

Sir_Cliff

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We just know so little about what happened here to make any definitive statements on who or what is to blame. This could have had everything or nothing to do with the guest's spinal cord issue (if indeed he had one), restraints, or something else. Until we know, it's all speculation based on fragments of information that are open to (mis-)interpretation.
 
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DryerLintFan

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These things of course make the news, I’m not disputing that. But it hasn’t really made any headway into public discourse.

Far bigger news (bigger in terms of what people consume and latch onto, not trying to downplay this tragedy) has come (and gone) since this incident. I promise, things move so fast, this was barely a blip in the news cycle.

Answers will come, the coaster will not be torn down, and while the family will surely be impacted by this sad event forever, it will be but a distant memory in the history of Epic Universe.

I think it will follow the same news cycle as the little kid who got eaten by the alligator at Disney. It’s tragic. It will be settled out of court. People will forget about it. Maybe not forget entirely, but it won’t impact them or their decision to ride for very long.

Growing up we had a guy die at Great America he jumped the fence to grab his lucky hat which fell off during his ride. Some poor guys leg got liquified on the hit. That stuck with me, but I still went on that coaster a million times after that. I know that’s not exactly the same, but i guess I’m saying humans move on so quickly. Especially these days.
 

CoastalElite64

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Yet it seems unlikely just passing out is enough to cause this as there would had been reports of similar injuries from the hundreds of millions if not billion ride cycles Mack/Intanin/Gerstlauer coaster have run with a similar restraint system.

The leading theory right now has to be his spinal issues were exasperated by the coaster which led to an unnatural range of motion which a typical guest would not achieve if they passed out.

There are a billion ride cycles of people passing out on clones of this attraction? I think people are rushing to make judgements but we should wait for the investigation to finish.
 

VicariousCorpse

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They don’t, based on what little information we have right now, but I will discontinue arguing with someone who so misunderstands who owes who what duty of care under our laws that he thinks this rider’s girlfriend is negligent for letting an adult ride this ride.
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lazyboy97o

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It doesn't help that the ME did not determine a natural cause of death, but one requiring significantly more investigation. If it would have been a natural cause, that which prohibited him from riding (or not), then we probably would have seen the ride open by now like has happened in other ride-related deaths that were natural in cause. That is not what has happened here. The ride looks like it will be shut down for a significant amount of time, which would not normally happen if it was simply that the victim was killed because of a medical issue that was completely unrelated to the ride itself.
Being an accident doesn’t rule out pre-existing conditions playing a role in the outcome.
 

EricsBiscuit

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They don’t, based on what little information we have right now, but I will discontinue arguing with someone who so misunderstands who owes who what duty of care under our laws that he thinks this rider’s girlfriend is negligent for letting an adult ride this ride.
Of course his girlfriend has no legal duty to reasonable care. But she should have stopped him from going on.
 

DisneyHead123

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Before that accident, people had formed many favorable memories about Big Thunder for decades. That is not to minimize the tragedy there or to justify it. But people didn't look at Big Thunder and first think: someone died there. But right now, hardly anyone has been on Stardust. If the trial or investigation drags out for a long time, Universal will need to weigh that all the coaster is doing during this period is reminding people that someone died on it. I'm sure Universal could re-open the coaster--maybe with changes to rider guidance or possible to the track, vehicles, or restraints themselves--but they'll need to weigh brand damage if they're looking at a long and drawn out process. Universal is not Six Flags. They're are trying to pivot more to a family audience--and this isn't helping. Ultimately it might be more centered on what most helps the park in the immediate future versus what they ultimately could do. Then again, this investigation might end up being a short process, though I do think the family's lawyer is going to try to keep this in the news until there's a settlement. But generally I think things, with investigations and a high profile lawsuit, are making this messier.

I don’t know, keeping things in the news is rarely in either party’s best interest. Look at all the judgment this poor man is getting here for simply going on a ride that by all accounts he was cleared to go on. Even his significant others are getting blamed. Keeping things in the news will not be good for Universal but it will also mean the family and this man’s memory being put through the a toxic internet culture (I’m not talking about here, where things are moderated, but in some corners of the internet it’s a free for all. In some cases victims even end up getting harassed in real life.)

My guess is that both sides will kind of use the threat of this playing out online as a sort of unspoken background pressure to settle quietly. Honestly I doubt we’ll ever know the full details of what happened because airtight non disclosures will be involved. I doubt the ride will be replaced but I’m guessing a couple of cars for wheelchair users will be added (or, perhaps less likely, new restraints for everyone.)
 

DrStarlander

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“Blunt force trauma happens when you sustain an injury after an impact or forceful movements injure you. Those injuries can range from slight skin redness or a minor bruise to broken bones and internal injuries. Blunt force trauma is extremely common. It’s the most common cause of traumatic injuries and deaths worldwide.”
I wonder if the G-forces themselves could be the "blunt force"? Could the Forces acting upon his spine, etc., been what killed him? Not sure how the "multiple" would be detected but, again, just wondering.
 

Disstevefan1

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This will be all about assigning blame.

No matter what, Universal will pay something.

Mission Space killed a couple of folks when it first opened. If I remember correctly, because social media was not as huge as it is today, folks seemed to move on rather quickly and Mission space was re opened quickly.

Today is a totally different story with the power of todays social media.

The future of Stardust is a question mark at this point in my mind.

I never got to ride Stardust. Boy I wish I got to ride it.
 

JT3000

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No, the rider requirements clearly did prohibit him from riding. They clearly prohibit any riders from riding who are experiencing back or neck problems. Further, he likely couldn’t satisfy the requirement about natural support.
Practically every ride nominally prohibits someone with back or neck conditions from riding. This is why people ignore warning signs.
 

Disstevefan1

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Universal or Disney does not “clear a person” to ride anything. The person makes up their own mind given the warnings that are clearly posted.

I have family members who will never ride Stardust, they can see it’s too intense for them and that’s that. Stardust it just another on their list they will not ride.

Universal will pay money as a result of this tragedy, no doubt about it.

What will happen to Stardust I do not know.
 

SplashJacket

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So, IMO - and strictly my opinion - between the manslaughter investigation and the lawsuit, the calculus has changed. No one at Universal wants to see a headline like “Coaster reopens while manslaughter investigation pending,” and reopening it would hand the attorney an easy emotional wedge: “They kept running the ride that killed him.”

I think Uni will quietly pull Stardust Racers from the app and park map, and once it’s legally possible, they’ll move to demolish and replace it.
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DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
Universal or Disney does not “clear a person” to ride anything. The person makes up their own mind given the warnings that are clearly posted.

I have family members who will never ride Stardust, they can see it’s too intense for them and that’s that. Stardust it just another on their list they will not ride.

Universal will pay money as a result of this tragedy, no doubt about it.

What will happen to Stardust I do not know.

I was using the term informally, meaning that staff let him on the ride, he appeared to meet criteria (other than a murky mention of “back conditions” which is so vague it’s almost meaningless), and there’s no reason to think his doctor would have advised against it (no recent surgeries or healing injuries that we know of.)
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
Original Poster
Universal or Disney does not “clear a person” to ride anything. The person makes up their own mind given the warnings that are clearly posted.
The Cast Members/Team Members and their leadership are absolutely able to deny someone the chance to ride if they determine it isn’t safe. This happens daily.
 

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