Guardians of the Galaxy - Why I think you should see it

flynnibus

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And that, right there I think is the reason we disagree. You seem to have it set in your mind that comic book movies can ONLY be that, a PRODUCT. Something that is only created only to entertain and rake in millions without ever being anything more than that

I call it a product because it's a big budget hollywood film made to monetize a specific intellectual property. Not because it's a comic book movie. None of these films are organic in the sense they are pieces of art someone convinced Hollywood to finance. They are an entertainment company output.

Well I'm sorry but what rule is there that says it can only be a certain way?

I didn't say it had to only be one way.. but I accept it for what it was because that is what it set out to be. You on the other hand, are criticizing it for being something you WISH it was. You are painting it for failing to do something it had no intention of doing.

It's akin to crying that a drama didn't have enough jokes for you.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is I see comic book movies being much more then what they are. The problem, the general audience and big wigs in Hollyweird can not, nor do they want to. They're content with just making the same film over and over, as long as their making millions, who care right?

They don't make the same movies over and over. The market is full of various takes on comic films... from Superman in the 80s, Batmans, Spidermans, Blade, Hellboy, X-men, etc etc etc. The list goes on and on. This particular formula they started with Iron Man follows Tony Stark's sarcastic, witty character. You don't like that style.. ok. But you might enjoy life a bit more if you just looked at things and enjoyed them or not for what they are, vs clenching because its not what you wanted it to be. Just roll with it and if it's not your taste... just move onto the next thing.

I hope there's no hard feelings, I truly am glad that non-comic book fans are enjoying the heroes that I grew to love in my childhood. It's really amazing to see a world where not liking comics makes you a loser;) and I'm glad you can enjoy taking your kids, and making memories for them just like when my father would do the same thing when he took me to the movies.

It was Iron Man that got my youngest hooked on the superhero films. Since then, I've introduced her to most of the superhero films.. nearly all the x-mens, all the marvel/disney films, etc. I've also introduced her to all the great 80s stuff of Star Wars, Indiana Jones trilogy, Back to the Future Trilogy, etc. Maybe I'll introduce them to the brat pack films since my other kids are all in high school :)
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Original Poster
I went and watched GoG again today to hang out with an old coworker.

What I realized today is... that Marvel studios pre-roll now starts to invoke an emotional response now... just like the 20th century fox did for me in the past.

Oh and if your movie theatre has dbox seats... try sitting in the row just behind them. You get nearly all the bass/sound benefits without the theme park ride aspect :)
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
What I realized today is... that Marvel studios pre-roll now starts to invoke an emotional response now... just like the 20th century fox did for me in the past.
They have done a great job of helping to focus you in on the movie. I find that Im concentrating on trying to pick out characters in the comic book pages flitting by.....
 

flynnibus

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Original Poster
They have done a great job of helping to focus you in on the movie. I find that Im concentrating on trying to pick out characters in the comic book pages flitting by.....

In the past I wasn't sure I liked the various iterations of it they've made... and I don't even think it's the 'best' version right now per say... but it's established itself as a movie experience now.

When I sat in the theater before the starwars movies.. you were excited, and then that fanfare played.. and you get get that tickle of anticipation. The marvel one is starting to do that for me.
 

Matt_Black

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I don't mind there being a healthy bit of levity in the Marvel movies, because superhero stories should have an element of fun. That's why I'm not a big fan of DC's current film output. It's understandable that they went the very serious angsty route with Batman (though for my money the best Batman adaptation since the Bruce Timm animated series has been the incredibly zany Batman: The Brave & The Bold), but when you apply that to Superman, you've lost what I feel is a core element.
 

Cesar R M

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what are you talking about for two suprises? use spoiler tags if necessary :)
first surprise is COSMO, the Russian pysch smart dog who in the comic works as "security commander" of Knowwhere.

He usually is the "dispatch"( or the equivalent of Nick Fury for the guardians of the galaxy).

the other is.. Howard the Duck.
 
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Cesar R M

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OK, So I have a question for you...

When you say The Avengers has "dabs of humor", do you mean the entire film? Because, to me that's all The Avengers is..one big banter fest where no one takes anything serious. I don't think it's fair for you to compare GotG to something like X-Men (at least Days of Future Past anyway). DoFP was a meaningful film that showed the consiquences we face when changing our future. Heck they had Peter Dinklage in it and not ONCE did they take a stab at him being short. They made Wolverine the straight man, sure there were some jokes in the film (mostly from Quicksilver) but knew when to switch gears and take itself serious along with moments of deep tension. The Avengers NEVER knew when to take something serious, so much so that they should just have RDJ do motion capture for all the other actors (since they all try to act like him). Even Hulk, when compared to the Ed Norton version comes off as what I like to call a "comedic gorilla". There is literally a scene where Hulk punches Thor for no reason other then to just get a cheap laugh from the audience.

As far as Captain America 2 goes, after reading your review back in April the reason I can tell that you disliked the film so much was because there was too much "real world violence" for your 11 year old to handle. Well first of all you do realize it's rated "PG-13" for a reason, second of all I applaud any film that presents a scenario that could happen in the real world, present something to make the audience think, to open up the eyes of the audience members who can't comprehend plot past the banter and explosions (I'm not saying your one of those people). That scene with Nick Fury, talk about tension! WS actually gave back story to the villains (unlike Avengers) and conflict within themselves to do the right thing.

From the reviews I've seen of GotG, it's more on par with Thor 2. The villain is as forgettable as Malekith was, his whole plan is to find the MacGuffin of MacGuffiness and if it wasn't for again the comedy, this film would be your standard CGI fest.

I do not mean to beat you up like this, everyone is entitled to their own opinion when it comes to film. I just get upset with all the people out there who say "Wow, Marvel finally made a comedy film!" when in my eyes, they've been doing it since 2012. But I do want to thank you as well, your review has reassured me that I would end up hating this film and I should just save my money for The Hobbit.

Batman v. Superman, X-Men: Apocalypse, and Capt. 3 can't get here any faster...

Thor 2 bored me. I loved GOTG. You might want to give it a chance.


Just like disneyfanman said.. Thor2 also bored me.
I found GOTG way better.. maybe because I read the comics and I knew what to expect.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
Maybe you'd lighten up.. you'd be able to digest the difference between comedy and a comedy film.



Ok, seems like you'd like to take plot lines and inspirations and turn these films into artistic statements about humanity. They aren't. They aren't trying to make history or change humanity.



It's a freaking super hero film - nothing is taken serious. You want to see something serious? Watch freaking Platoon... or the realism put into the D-Day sequence of Saving Private Ryan. That's serious. The clique "they must be stopped!!" or "the machines will rule us all!" are not poetic efforts by the writers to show us the error of our ways before it's too late.

The whole RFK stadium stuff?? And you talk about a film trying to be serious? Or the whole underground complex in Capt2?

You confuse using relevancy with making a statement.



And I have no issue with that... Its a COMIC BOOK MOVIE. Something made to entertain, not spur deep thought. I know all about the history of comics and trying to address adult topics, etc... but that has never made the comic lines about education or changing the world.



Thanks Dr Freud. No, I disliked the violence because I thought it was gratuitous and unnecessary.. especially given the target audience. At the end of the day, this is a PRODUCT, and my statement was I felt the film strayed from what I think should be it's target... for stuff that really added little. IMO a Captain America film should not be a gritty war film trying to paint the horrors of war.

It's like horror movies trying to outdo each other with how gory they can be. You can scare the bejesus out of people without having to try to realistically show someone getting their head sawed off.



No



If a movie is making you angry - then I think you are taking yourself WAY too seriously.



Do you hate comedy that much? Do you refuse to watch a great film like the Blues Brothers because... they do some stuff for comedy?


. there is more than one type of movie genre out there. Stop clenching because someone went for the uplift instead of the dark 'we put off the inevitable for one more day'

I disagree with captain america not showing part of how awful can a war be. he is a soldier and a hero.. he has to deal with these types of things.

with captain 2.. he had to handle a doze of treachery and backstabbing beyond any ideas.
but I agree with all the rest of what you said.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
And I can assure you.. there are plenty of moments in GoG where people are CRYING... and not because its all slapstick comedy.

But NMBC1993 might be too busy making diamonds out of coal to take notice.
That part of Rocket, definitively made a lot of people go AWWW and BAWWW.
so again.. agree with you.
 

CentralFLlife

Well-Known Member
OK, So I have a question for you...

When you say The Avengers has "dabs of humor", do you mean the entire film? Because, to me that's all The Avengers is..one big banter fest where no one takes anything serious. I don't think it's fair for you to compare GotG to something like X-Men (at least Days of Future Past anyway). DoFP was a meaningful film that showed the consiquences we face when changing our future. Heck they had Peter Dinklage in it and not ONCE did they take a stab at him being short. They made Wolverine the straight man, sure there were some jokes in the film (mostly from Quicksilver) but knew when to switch gears and take itself serious along with moments of deep tension. The Avengers NEVER knew when to take something serious, so much so that they should just have RDJ do motion capture for all the other actors (since they all try to act like him). Even Hulk, when compared to the Ed Norton version comes off as what I like to call a "comedic gorilla". There is literally a scene where Hulk punches Thor for no reason other then to just get a cheap laugh from the audience.

As far as Captain America 2 goes, after reading your review back in April the reason I can tell that you disliked the film so much was because there was too much "real world violence" for your 11 year old to handle. Well first of all you do realize it's rated "PG-13" for a reason, second of all I applaud any film that presents a scenario that could happen in the real world, present something to make the audience think, to open up the eyes of the audience members who can't comprehend plot past the banter and explosions (I'm not saying your one of those people). That scene with Nick Fury, talk about tension! WS actually gave back story to the villains (unlike Avengers) and conflict within themselves to do the right thing.

From the reviews I've seen of GotG, it's more on par with Thor 2. The villain is as forgettable as Malekith was, his whole plan is to find the MacGuffin of MacGuffiness and if it wasn't for again the comedy, this film would be your standard CGI fest.

I do not mean to beat you up like this, everyone is entitled to their own opinion when it comes to film. I just get upset with all the people out there who say "Wow, Marvel finally made a comedy film!" when in my eyes, they've been doing it since 2012. But I do want to thank you as well, your review has reassured me that I would end up hating this film and I should just save my money for The Hobbit.

Batman v. Superman, X-Men: Apocalypse, and Capt. 3 can't get here any faster...

Heaven forbid a comic book movie be any fun. If it wasn't for Marvel right now the only comic book movies would be serious dark ones, and there would be at least 5 a year, yeah that wouldnt get old fast... Who cares if the academy doesn't take comic book movies seriously, Why do you want them to?

This is miles and miles ahead of Thor 2 and I thought Thor 2 got a lot of unwarranted flack, yes it has its faults but its a million times better than IM3. Did you really expect this movie to be a serious gritty film? Two of its main characters are a Tree and a Raccoon? The only reason people say Ronan is forgettable (He's not) simply because there is something much much bigger in the film. This movie is amazing, its exactly as crazy as it needs to be.

Oh and you lost me when you said the Avengers didn't give any backstory to Loki as a villain, he had more backstory than any other comic book movie villain, aside from magneto. The Dark knight, which I assume is your favorite comic book movie, gave no backstory to the joker but no one talks about that.

You might not want to put too many eggs in Batman v. Superman (has a name by the way) if man of steel was any indication then its gonna be a train wreck and will kill 3 franchises instead of just 1.
 

doctornick

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I don't mind there being a healthy bit of levity in the Marvel movies, because superhero stories should have an element of fun. That's why I'm not a big fan of DC's current film output.

I agree with this. Personally, one of the reason I love the MCU so much is the humor, which balances well with the action and the character development. In my younger days, when I read comics a lot, the humor in the comic books was a big part of the enjoyment with me. I mean, it's all make believe, we should have fun while absorbing the product.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the dark brooding comic book movie and so I agree with not being as fond of the DC movies. I thought MoS was a terrible take on a character who should be much more uplifting and "fun" and the preview from DoJ makes it seem like more of the same.
 

NMBC1993

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Heaven forbid a comic book movie be any fun. If it wasn't for Marvel right now the only comic book movies would be serious dark ones, and there would be at least 5 a year, yeah that wouldnt get old fast... Who cares if the academy doesn't take comic book movies seriously, Why do you want them to?

Why would I want the academy to take comic book movies seriously? I'd assume the answer was obvious. As a fan of these properties, growing up on the material it's only natural for me to want to see these films represented alongside the crop of movies that have been deemed "Best Picture". Remember when Beauty and the Beast almost won best picture? It shocked the world! "What? An animated film winning best picture? How outrageous"! What if that happened again? What if it was a comic book movie? What if something was created that would change the tune of all those "old school" academy members? The ones who doubt fantasy, motions capture, and animation as legitimate forms of film. Wouldn't you be excited? I know I would.

This is miles and miles ahead of Thor 2 and I thought Thor 2 got a lot of unwarranted flack, yes it has its faults but its a million times better than IM3. Did you really expect this movie to be a serious gritty film? Two of its main characters are a Tree and a Raccoon? The only reason people say Ronan is forgettable (He's not) simply because there is something much much bigger in the film. This movie is amazing, its exactly as crazy as it needs to be.

If you go back and read one of my previous posts, I believe it was on the other section on this page about Guardians. As I have not seen the film yet, the only thing I can truly praise this movie for is for the fact that the marketing has convaided that this film is indeed a comedy. I don't have to go in expecting some dramatic action film similar to what I saw in the trailers a year before the movie came out (See Iron Man 3). No, I never expected a raccoon or a tree that has a three world vocabulary to be taken serious. My problems wouldn't be so bad with this film if we haven't already had several films that, to me are the equivalent to an ABC. sitcom...oh wait, they already have one.

See, my problem is a see a bigger picture. When I go to a film I do set myself up with high expectations, in the case of mismarketing, that can be expected. I mean come on, it's THE AVENGERS! I don't want what is suppose to be the biggest event in superhero history to be reduced to a bunch of cheap jokes. It should mean something, not just another chain in the belt of corporate greed, with a sequel coming out in the blink of an eye. I have to thank fynnius. He opened my eyes to something yesterday, I had my way of thinking all wrong. The definition of film today is a product. Something put out by a large company for monetary gain. But it wasn't always that way. At one point film was made to be a form of art, something to astound the senses and entertain the masses. I was still thinking it was that way, when things have actually changed a long time ago. Because of this, I have given films way too much credit, maybe I should just role with the punches and accept "The Best Hollywood can do".

I thought it would have been amazing to see the actual Mandarin, still have Ben Kingsley play him (he did a great job at least for half the movie) but make him who he really is. What's wrong with giving him the powers of the rings? We've got a freaking talking Raccoon now, I'm pretty sure the audience wouldn't question it. But no, he's got to be a strung along in a plot that leads to yet another punchline in this gritty "action" film. Why can't we see Hulk presented as an actual threat to The Avengers? Sure he had that scene in the film, but in reality it doesn't mean anything because 30 minutes later he learned to "Always Be Angry" so what's the point? What If they maybe provoked him into attacking The Avengers because of an accident that happens during a battle with Loki? Make their strongest weapon their greatest weakness.

What if we had something like this?


Notice that line from Betty? "He won't stop till everyone's dead" Where's that Hulk?


Oh and you lost me when you said the Avengers didn't give any backstory to Loki as a villain, he had more backstory than any other comic book movie villain, aside from magneto. The Dark knight, which I assume is your favorite comic book movie, gave no backstory to the joker but no one talks about that.

Actually no, I was not referring to Loki. I agree, the man has had more back story and presence that he needs no introduction to The Avengers. Who I was referring to were the Chitauri sidekicks and that random guy with the mask in space. They received no back story, they fly in to cause explosions and seem like a threat. That's all. But apparently they are organic beings that can die the same way the droids in Phantom Menace do? These are who I am talking about. Maybe if the film wasn't so busy yucking it up for the camera, we could have gotten to know more about their relationship with Loki? Did he meet him when he traveled between worlds? The movie doesn't seem to think we need to know.

The Dark Knight is actually not my favorite superhero film...but that's a good guess. It's an independent film by the name of Super starring Rainn Wilson and Kevin Bacon. It actually quite an interesting film, but definitely not appropriate for the young ones.

You might not want to put too many eggs in Batman v. Superman (has a name by the way) if man of steel was any indication then its gonna be a train wreck and will kill 3 franchises instead of just 1.

Yes I do agree with you to an extent. DC has had a very sloppy track record lately. With Zack Snyder at the wheel, one can only hope we get a decent film. The only reason I have faith in Batman v. Superman is because of WB's ace in the hole....Ben Affleck. No, I don't mean that because of his role AS Batman, but that his writing team from Argo are co-writing for the film. This might give it a chance to be great! Ben Affleck is a huge Batman fan, he has his house decked out like the Bat Cave for crying out loud! I think the man knows what he's talking about.
 
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Matt_Black

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Plus, if Ben gets stuck, he could call Kevin Smith. On the downside, that's the man who gave us "Batman pees himself", so Ben should only use that as a last resort.
 

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