The_Jobu
Well-Known Member
I wish I could have the baby dinosaur
I'm afraid it's bound for the big warehouse. Maybe stick it in the Collectors collection in DL.
I wish I could have the baby dinosaur
You're right - its not complicated. You (and many others) are choosing to make it so.
Is Marvel a division of The Walt Disney Company, yes or no? (Yes)
Is there any difference whether its in one division or not? (No)
If you want to make the 'Epcot b about da learnin' argument, then try that. But since we don't know anything about the attraction, its hard one to make. But to somehow argue that a Marvel property isn't 'Disney' is flat out incorrect.
McD's bought Chipotle??It's about branding and what one expects from that brand (the whole purpose of the trademark system). McDonald's acquired Chipotle, but the parent company didn't shove carnitas into their Big Macs. Amazon acquired Whole Foods but doesn't let you order their food on their website and ship it to you. Sure, they may go into the grocery business, but they don't take aspects of their new acquisition and shove it into what they already have just to do it. Look at what Disney did with ESPN. The incorporated the brand into the resort but didn't shove it into the parks in one giant thematic/branding mismatch!
Your entire response is where the disconnect occurs in these conversations. I am not moaning for Epcot to never change or keep outdated attractions. I (and many other "doom and gloomers"), are all for change and updating the park. But more of the same (i.e fantasy based attractions) is not change when that concept already exists. My "moaning" is simply born out of the continual blurring of the lines in distinction between parks. Why not make all the resorts just like Polynesian since it is loved by many, just slap a different character on the entrance sign and call it "theme". . Make all the dining options and locations just like Chef Mickeys since everybody loves it, just give them different movie and character references. That is better, isnt it?
The tired rebuttal of claiming people are upset about Epcot loosing its "purity" is old. It is not even a proper response anymore, it is just a defense.
No one's saying Marvel isn't owned by Disney, yet you keep clinging to that. They are owned by Disney but they are a seperate franchise when having discussions. There's a reason they are not rebranded as Disney comics.
And attempting to make a point that people want to learn would talk like that is just lazy. Step up if you're going to discuss something or at least have your attempts at insults make sense. Nerds looking to learn wouldn't talk like that, them thar ppl dat likes dem rides like I saw at the moviez do.
There. See how cheap that was?
It's about branding and what one expects from that brand (the whole purpose of the trademark system). McDonald's acquired Chipotle, but the parent company didn't shove carnitas into their Big Macs. Amazon acquired Whole Foods but doesn't let you order their food on their website and ship it to you. Sure, they may go into the grocery business, but they don't take aspects of their new acquisition and shove it into what they already have just to do it. Look at what Disney did with ESPN. They incorporated the brand into the resort but didn't shove it into the parks in one giant thematic/branding mismatch!
Disney wants Marvel in the parks so bad because Universal already did it and succeeded! Specifically, Universal succeeded by not shoving Marvel into their original park! They also had a Superhero themed land in IOA. Because theming!
No I said they're not interchangeable. Which they're not.You do realize that the post I originally replied to stated 'Marvel isn't Disney' right?
Better than what? We have absolutely zero details on what the attraction is.
that is one of the 'Frozen Arguments' ... considering there is a whole new show building being built for Guardians, it seems like Guardians is getting the treatment it deserves. There is really no arguing with Epcot Theme Purists.
Except that I didn’t mention ride systems and those too are not the philosophy of what makes a ride distinctive.Precisely.
Which is why we have some posters here who don't seem to get it, and will say things like "it's the same ride system..."
Disney is not about the ride system, and it's not about the most extreme thrill.
I'm still a "theme purist" but even I see the potential of this being pretty much a new build.that is one of the 'Frozen Arguments' ... considering there is a whole new show building being built for Guardians, it seems like Guardians is getting the treatment it deserves. There is really no arguing with Epcot Theme Purists.
Yeah, those kooks who like coherent themes in a paragon of theme parks.
They're all over the place.
Precisely.
Which is why we have some posters here who don't seem to get it, and will say things like "it's the same ride system..."
Disney is not about the ride system, and it's not about the most extreme thrill.
It's sad when you have to take a DISNEY attraction out of context to enjoy it. Hopefully it's not a roller coaster.
Your entire response is where the disconnect occurs in these conversations. I am not moaning for Epcot to never change or keep outdated attractions. I (and many other "doom and gloomers"), are all for change and updating the park. But more of the same (i.e fantasy based attractions) is not change when that concept already exists. My "moaning" is simply born out of the continual blurring of the lines in distinction between parks. Why not make all the resorts just like Polynesian since it is loved by many, just slap a different character on the entrance sign and call it "theme". . Make all the dining options and locations just like Chef Mickeys since everybody loves it, just give them different movie and character references. That is better, isnt it?
The tired rebuttal of claiming people are upset about Epcot loosing its "purity" is old. It is not even a proper response anymore, it is just a defense.
I'm quoting you but it's just a leap off ... look, characters have been in the park for decades now. It's not going away. Do I think it makes things "better"? No. But what does complaining about something they've implemented decades ago do?
I'd love an Epcot Center that holds to it's ideals and themes. But that park has long been dead. Not saying don't complain but it's time to rip the band-aid off and let go. They aren't going in the direction most of us want them to. There's always hope someday it will. I personally mourn what could be and what was but I've let it go. I know it's hard but it's time to move on IMHO. I know I'll get slayed by a few for saying that but it's pages of endless mourning of Epcot. There's NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, not saying there is, but keeping it going on and on isn't going to change what they're doing. Can we have a dedicated thread to mourning Epcot and leave this for those who want updates on the new attraction?
I'm still a "theme purist" but even I see the potential of this being pretty much a new build.
According to rumors anyway.
And the usual suspects complain about the complaining.They haven't gone in that direction since before opening day.
It was supposed to be pavilions that evolved and changed, updated and refreshed. That never really happened. Now it is starting to happen, and the usual suspects are howling about it.
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