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News Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind attraction confirmed for Epcot

trainplane3

Well-Known Member
You're right, we don't know that it won't happen, but nothing we've heard gives me confidence. Five things off the top of my head:

- Tom says Epcot is about optimism, which is true, but vague. The cynicist in me says they'll use that as a thematic stretch for any ideas that don't fit. I guess I need some of that optimism...
- They did not utter the words "Future World" and instead called it "the front of Epcot."
- Comments from people in the know on these boards do not give me much confidence.
- The fact that all they said is "Peter Quill visited Epcot as a child" makes me worried. If the ride actually fit Epcot, don't you think they would've said something about that instead?

And finally, Mission Breakout is exactly what worries me. Yes, it's a great ride, but in what way does it fit the California theme? The fact that the attraction is set in the park is it's only thematic excuse. I fear the GotG coaster will use the same excuse...

I'm not opposed to movie-IP-based attractions, so long as they are used properly. Tom mentioned Turtle Talk with Crush, and that's a good example... you learn something about turtles in an engaging way. If this ride reaches that same balance, I'll be content.
100% agree with this. For all we know it could be about the Guardians needing some sort of fuel and needing to go back in time to acquire it from the age of dinosaurs. I'd be fine with that since it relates as close as we can get with a action movie, coaster based ride. But then again they could go with a simple "we need to shoot the bad guys/escape the base/test flight" plot. It's not so much as losing UoE, it's losing something that fits with FW. However this project ends, it'll give everyone a huge clue about the direction of FW. Regardless, I'm all for ADDING (or re-purposing WoL) and not replacing rides.

I expect the coaster itself to be a tops of 1 1/2 minutes from dispatch to final brakes due to it being launched. Who knows, it could be a dual launch setup with a short, slow, show scene in the middle.

I really hope on the final night for UoE they make some sort of super small event out of it and give some real hints, and not the expected "YOU will helping the Guardians", with what the ride will be about. I'd honestly be happy if they just used the original ride film even though it'd be lacking the original projection surfaces for the last couple rides that night.
 

doctornick

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- They did not utter the words "Future World" and instead called it "the front of Epcot."

This isn't necessarily a bad thing. The "front of the park" doesn't have to be themed as "Future World" and doesn't all have to be one encompassing theme anyway. It might actually be better to divide FW into distinct lands with different purposes -- and FW east perhaps could be more of an exploration/discovery kinda concept where GotG might work better.

I mean, yeah, it will be a square peg hammered into a round hole, we all know this. But I'm not against re-imagining FW to a different idea where it would be less incongruent and perhaps everything else might be a bit tighter.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
And finally, Mission Breakout is exactly what worries me. Yes, it's a great ride, but in what way does it fit the California theme? The fact that the attraction is set in the park is it's only thematic excuse. I fear the GotG coaster will use the same excuse...

I'm not opposed to movie-IP-based attractions, so long as they are used properly. Tom mentioned Turtle Talk with Crush, and that's a good example... you learn something about turtles in an engaging way. If this ride reaches that same balance, I'll be content.
They need to kill the California theme. There is very little in that park about California.
 

mermu2

New Member
I contacted Disney through the contact form on their website, and expressed how unhappy I am about the changes they're making to Epcot. I received a very nice response from someone at Disney who said she'd pass my feedback up the chain. One thing she said, that's quite interesting is that one of the things Disney finds frustrating is when people don't give them feedback.

So, anyone who's unhappy with Disney's proposed changes for Epcot...contact them. They need to hear from us. I sent an email through this page. https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/help/ I think the best thing we can do right now is to flood them with feedback. Who's with me?
 

egg

Well-Known Member
They need to kill the California theme. There is very little in that park about California.

Why? Theme is the glue that holds the park together, without any, it's just an incoherent collection of lands/ attractions. That's the same situation Epcot faces*.

I understand that many people, who have a much stronger attachment to DL, want California Adventure to be the dumping ground for all ideas that don't naturally fit Disneyland (Marvel Land, Star Wars Land, etc.). But DCA deserves to be more than that. DCA is a theme park, not just a high-quality amusement park.

I would say there's plenty California left, at least aesthetically. There's still Buena Vista street, Hollywood, Route 66, a pier, Yosemite/Redwood, etc. I think it'd be far more logical to build on that, even loosely, than to abandon it.

But if you disagree I'd be glad to hear why.

*Yeah, I just related our off-topic drift to back to the topic!
 
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Skipper Dan

Active Member
Disney should have used GotG as the replacement for Star Tours. It would have spared both UoE and ToT at DLR, and solved a different issue that needs adressing in the short term (that being, what to do with the existing SW ride after the newer, more substantial offering opens).

I have been saying the EXACT same thing. Ugh! My God. Help us. If only the Imagineers, would use a little imagination in their reimaginings (that's my new saying).
 

Kman101

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Except for Buena Vista Street, Hollywoodland, Paradise Pier, Pacific Warf, the entire Grizzly Peak area, Grand Californian hotel... Yeah, not much at all.

Grizzly Peak which has Soarin which takes you over everything EXCEPT California now. Hollywoodland will become Marvel Land (well, bugs land going could spare that I suppose but Monsters Inc represents California?). Paradise Pier is becoming Pixar Pier ...
 

Daveeeeed

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Grizzly Peak which has Soarin which takes you over everything EXCEPT California now. Hollywoodland will become Marvel Land (well, bugs land going could spare that I suppose but Monsters Inc represents California?). Paradise Pier is becoming Pixar Pier ...
I agree, currently the park is definitely themed excellently to California, but in the future, it seems that a change might be necessary.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Soarin' over California will be back... I'm willing to bet before the end of the decade. Just at DCA though.

Do you think they would bring it back as a "limited" time offering or just bring it back permanently? Of course they could always do one theatre for California and one for World. On another note, with every thing going the way of the IP (especially at DCA), i wonder how long Soarin has left before it turns into some Marvel flight simulator or the like. I think Grizzly Peak and all within it should be safe so long as the Grand Californian keep the same theme but who knows anymore.

For me it looks like 2012-2015 are going to be the glory days of DCA. Cars land and Buena Vista St opened. TOT, Soarin over California, and no cheesy Pixar Pier. They just refuse to let any nostalgia build at that park. It looks like the park icon is about to go too.
 

egg

Well-Known Member
This isn't necessarily a bad thing. The "front of the park" doesn't have to be themed as "Future World" and doesn't all have to be one encompassing theme anyway. It might actually be better to divide FW into distinct lands with different purposes -- and FW east perhaps could be more of an exploration/discovery kinda concept where GotG might work better.

I mean, yeah, it will be a square peg hammered into a round hole, we all know this. But I'm not against re-imagining FW to a different idea where it would be less incongruent and perhaps everything else might be a bit tighter.

No, it's not neccesarily a bad thing. I just think it'll wind up being a cop-out for a real theme, even moreso than it would've been in 2003.

Say they go with the Gemini idea of "Discovery World." That's supposed to mean discovering human achievement, but it's a broad word. What can't today's Disney strech to fit that banner? I can discover the car-testing process and I can "discover" the Guardians of the Galaxy, but that is the world's weakest connection. At that point, aren't I "discovering" everything in every WDW park? Epcot's pavillions ought to relate in a stronger way.

Maybe they will. Maybe Disney will go with something much better, that I can't think of. Maybe I should be more optimistic. I'm certainly hoping for the best.
 

Movielover

Well-Known Member
I contacted Disney through the contact form on their website, and expressed how unhappy I am about the changes they're making to Epcot. I received a very nice response from someone at Disney who said she'd pass my feedback up the chain. One thing she said, that's quite interesting is that one of the things Disney finds frustrating is when people don't give them feedback.

So, anyone who's unhappy with Disney's proposed changes for Epcot...contact them. They need to hear from us. I sent an email through this page. https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/help/ I think the best thing we can do right now is to flood them with feedback. Who's with me?

I'm not trying to be mean or a jack@ss here but when they say "pass the feedback up the chain" I'm almost certain the final place it will end up is...
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Again, not trying to be mean but by this time there is no stopping the plans...
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Except for Buena Vista Street, Hollywoodland, Paradise Pier, Pacific Warf, the entire Grizzly Peak area, Grand Californian hotel... Yeah, not much at all.
Buena Vista Street yes, but it has one attraction.

Hollywoodland is a thematic mess that has mediocre art deco buildings combined with warehouses and the attractions are a Frozen stage show, a Monster's Inc Ride and a Guardians of the Galaxy ride. Nothing about that screams Hollywood.

Paradise Pier is about to become Pixar Pier.

Pacific Wharf, is a nice small area that fits the California theme.

Grizzly Peak used to be Condor Flats and there's nothing overtly California-y about that. The Grand Californian hotel could just as easily be called the Wilderness Lodge. The Grand Floridian Hotel is designed off a hotel in San Diego, so the name doesn't exactly mean much.
 

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