Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot

[whiterhino42]

MK doesn't need new attractions as much as the other parks, but ironically the best place to squeeze in GotG for a quick build would be to replace Stitch or Laugh Floor. Which would arguably improve TL in terms of being a more cohesive theme. So, of course, it's not on the table.

Move laugh floor okay, get rid of it NO it's great we all love it

 

[GoofGoof]

Did you honestly think I was serious? Has the average American become so stupid that my jest was plausibly believable?

Have have you seen who is running for president over here? Never underestimate the stupidity of the average American

 

[GoofGoof]

Thanks for the welcome.

How have I been rude enough to him? I pointed out I thought his post could be construed as rude. He explained why. I said fair enough and we moved on... cycle through the entire post for all my interactions with him please.

Jesus people are blowing this majorly out of proportion.

I don't think "Jesus people" should be blowing anything

 

[PhotoDave219]

I don't think "Jesus people" should be blowing anything

You'd be surprised

 

[ChrisFL]

More Marvel aside from GotG? Doubtful due to the contract. Guardians isn't covered by it.

What about Deadpool? nothing says family-friendly like Deadpool!!

 

[PhotoDave219]

Oh really, according to them...
http://www.nola.com/living/index.ssf/2016/07/epcot_ellen_degeneres_guardians_282713.html

Amazing how far The Times-Picayune has fallen in the past few years....

 

[chiefs11]

MK doesn't need new attractions as much as the other parks, but ironically the best place to squeeze in GotG for a quick build would be to replace Stitch or Laugh Floor. Which would arguably improve TL in terms of being a more cohesive theme. So, of course, it's not on the table.

Move laugh floor okay, get rid of it NO it's great we all love it

Careful what you wish for.... unless you want the new Energy pavilion to be Monster's Inc. door coaster, laugh floor, and M&G.

 

[**Stacy**]

I still have a Figment coffee mug from a trip in 1985. If Figment is going away, I will have to hurry up and get over my Disney pouting/boycott and buy a new AP so I can buy some Figment stuff before it goes *poof* .

I just hope something can be done to figment and WOL. Figments attendance levels are probably very similar to or even as low as Ellen's. That does not mean however they should destroy it with a random ip.

 

[whiterhino42]

Careful what you wish for.... unless you want the new Energy pavilion to be Monster's Inc. door coaster, laugh floor, and M&G.

No i don't I had hoped it would be moving to a Pixar land at HS but alas now there isn't going to be a . Pixar land

 

[ChrisFL]

Some random thoughts after catching up on the past 20 pages, holy crap.

Regarding the computer systems at EPCOT Center when it first opened, I can verify with my dad who opened the park in that area in 1982 whether they were still using 1930's technology or not.

TRON nearly made an appearance at EPCOT Center around 1984 in Communicore, so they thought it would "fit" back then.

Barbie was at EPCOT Center once...another IP, though it wasn't a permanent ride thankfully, just a crappy show

any other IP's randomly done over the years?

When do we call the original EPCOT dead? When they replace the original Living Seas with a Pixar fish? That's been done. Replacing Journey into Imagination, putting Dreamfinder in Exile and nearly losing Figment too and replacing with a super low-budget, low use of imagination attraction in the process? That's been done. Closing 90% of Innoventions and replacing much of it with meet and greets? That's been done

Also, the idea of a Living with the Land THRILL ride is hilarious to me

 

[GoofGoof]

I was pointing out that Disney deals in illusion, not reality. There's nothing wrong in dealing in illusion but when people confuse illusion with reality, we have a problem.

I'm sure a lot of people that visited UoE were also under the impression that that the solar array on top of the building provided a substantial amount of power for the vehicles in the pavilion and/or was cost effective. Neither was true then or now. It's not that it couldn't be done. The point is that it wouldn't be at all cost effective and would be an example of poor energy management and wasteful to boot.

It's not to say that photo voltaic arrays are not useful. They are very important for off-grid applications in remote areas on earth and in outer space. And they can be used for emergency power when the grid goes off line for traffic lights and other essential power needs.

I can't help but wonder how many people were left with the impression that the energy needs of the UoE were supplied in large part by that solar array. And also, after seeing the Astuter Computer Review and Backstage Magic, how many people came away with the impression that WDW had a huge central computer complex that ran everything in the resort?

Those concepts tend to indelibly stick in the minds of some people. They come away from WDW with the idea that Disney is somehow able to defy or change the laws of physics and logic.

Blurring fantasy and reality can lead some people to believe that 20K was a worthwhile attraction.

I think you completely missed the boat. The solar panels in the 80s were never meant to provide an illusion that they were cost effective and provided all of the power for the pavilion. It is in a section of the park about the future. This was a newer technology (it had been around for years but was not widely known) that wasn't part of the average person's life. It gave millions of guests a glimpse at what one of the future sources of energy could/would look like. It was exactly what the pavilion and the park were supposed to be about. EPCOT Center was supposed to educate about things that currently existed but also inspire people to think about the future that could be whether it was energy or transportation or communications.

We could dedicate an entire thread to the merits and economics behind solar power now and/or in the future, but this one moves way too fast for that discussion. Whether you like it or not highlighting solar power in the mid 80s was a glimpse into the future of energy. Even if it's only a small part of the total system it's still a part.

 

[**Stacy**]

I think I remember Barbie...didn't she arrive in a Barbie limo or something? lol

Some random thoughts after catching up on the past 20 pages, holy crap.

Regarding the computer systems at EPCOT Center when it first opened, I can very with my dad who opened the park in that area in 1982 whether they were still using 1930's technology or not.

TRON nearly made an appearance at EPCOT Center around 1984 in Communicore, so they thought it would "fit" back then.

Barbie was at EPCOT Center once...another IP, though it wasn't a permanent ride thankfully, just a crappy show

any other IP's randomly done over the years?

When do we call the original EPCOT dead? When they replace the original Living Seas with a Pixar fish? That's been done. Replacing Journey into Imagination, putting Dreamfinder in Exile and nearly losing Figment too and replacing with a super low-budget, low use of imagination attraction in the process? That's been done. Closing 90% of Innoventions and replacing much of it with meet and greets? That's been done

Also, the idea of a Living with the Land THRILL ride is hilarious to me

 

[ChrisFL]

I think I remember Barbie...didn't she arrive in a Barbie limo or something? lol

Honestly I don't think I ever saw it in person, only on a video...maybe one of @marni1971's haha...he's such a big topic in this thread

 

[Captain Neo]

The only quote I remember from Iger on this topic is that they were every "limited" in what they could do with Marvel in WDW. The contract only gives Universal rights to the characters they currently use and characters in the same "family". So for example there is a ride based on Storm from the X-Men so Disney could not build an Wolverine ride. At the other extreme, Uni doesn't use Big Hero Six, and BH6 doesn't have any connection to any of the families that they do use so that on is clear for Disney to use, thus why we have a Baymax MGM. Other characters can get a little muddy because of the inter-related web of comic book characters, but there is no reason to believe the GotG is 100% off limits.

Big Hero 6 originated in X-Men though and even though the recent comics and the Disney movie are different (the mutants were removed from the team) couldn't Universal still make the case its part of the X-Men family?

 

[Captain Neo]

Did you honestly think I was serious? Has the average American become so stupid that my jest was plausibly believable?

Sadly yes which underscores the need for something like Epcot Center now more than ever

 

[danlb_2000]

Big Hero 6 originated in X-Men though and even though the recent comics and the Disney movie are different (the mutants were removed from the team) couldn't Universal still make the case its part of the X-Men family?

You could make a case that virtually any Marvel character is connected to the families that Uni has the rights to if you tried hard enough.

 

[V_L_Raptor]

Both of Universal's parks are literally nothing but IPs. Both parks. It's laughable that you can lambaste Disney to the extent that you'd never spend a "single, solitary dime" there, yet you'd consider an AP to Universal, where they literally jam IPs into every single attraction in every single land of both its parks.

It's like giving up soda because there's too much sugar, but then eating a bag of candy.

You are perhaps missing my point.

I'm fed up with Disney because where previously I could choose to engage in ogling IPs, that division is no longer a part of the park I enjoyed -- EPCOT. If I'm going to Universal, it's with the full intention of seeing/experiencing IP attractions. Nothing's really been trashed there on the scale Future World has. I can enjoy better theming to their IPs, people watch, and generally spend my time without turning around and saying, "Geez-oh-man, they used to have something really wonderful right over there... And now it's been overlaid with a rotten IP rendition..." I don't want to put my money into the big bait-and-switch.

That matters to me. Whether or not it matters to you as you slug down your metaphorical soda and candy, I don't really care.

 

[GoofGoof]

We accept Universal for that because that's the way they've been from the start. We expect it from them and only really care if the attractions are good or not. We hold Disney to a much higher standard because we remember a time where they were better than that. Much better.

Yes, even with all the recent additions and those upcoming Universal doesn't hold a candle to what Walt Disney World once was.

I agree with this and feel the same way. It's a double standard and we hold Disney to a higher standard. Disney and Universal were somewhat unique in their style and their execution. Universal had more speed, action, excitement and screens. Disney relied on a slower pace, elaborate storytelling and a religious dedication to theme including elaborate queues and show buildings. I loved having both be different and never understood why people wanted one or the other to change or conform. Why people complain that Universal is too screen based or Disney needs more thrills. I fear some of the recent moves by Disney are actually attempts to "compete" with Universal in what a lot of fanboys wanted, the "theme park war". As I said in an earlier post, be careful what you wish for. Disney may be taking a page from Universal's play book and going IP based rides to pump up attendance.

Disney had 4 somewhat unique parks in FL: a MK park, a studio park, a zoo/park combo and EPCOT. The MK was most popular by far. The complaint from a lot of fans has always been that AK and DHS were half day parks because they lacked a volume of "rides". I never felt AK was a half day park, but if you just wanted to ride the headliners and skip the animals I could see why people thought that. Same with DHS (the version of DHS before it became a construction zone). A lot of people were bored with the studio tour and the shows and just went, did the headliners and left. EPCOT thrived because of the popularity of the countries in the evening and several headliner attractions. The common theme is that a lot of people these days just want a volume of rides. They don't really care for shows or animal exhibits (why do you think Sea World keeps adding coasters instead of more animals) People aren't as interested in elaborate theming or intricate details (see the criticism of FLE), they don't want to invest the time in exploring areas of a park like TSI or the trails in AK. They want instant gratification. a selfie to post on Instagram and a ride that takes 5 mins or less so they can get back on their phones and tweet or post about it.

It does seem that some of the uniqueness of each park is being lost with each addition, but the truth is that the majority probably prefer it that way. They'd rather have an AK with 12 rides and no character or soul than what we currently have. They'd rather have DHS without the studio part and with a fleshed out Star Wars and Pixar Land. They would prefer IP based attractions at EPCOT over slow moving, time consuming, educational rides. Disney seems to be pushing its 3 other WDW parks to be more like MK and more like IOA. I don't like it, but I don't think they care, I'm just 1 voice. A lot of other people do like it.

 

[Crazydisneyfanluke]

Oh grief no. They're old ones and embarrassing!

I'm currently editing newer far better versions.

New Illuminations edit?!?!

 

[V_L_Raptor]

Oh grief no. They're old ones and embarrassing!

I'm currently editing newer far better versions.

When they're ready to roll, please do announce. These films are most excellent.