Great Wolf Lodge

Fe Maiden

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Indoor water parks skeeve me. And I certainly wouldn't pay those prices for the privilege of being skeeved. And no need to tell me why I shouldn't be skeeved or to point out a thousand other things that should freak me out. We all have our hang-ups and this one is mine.
 

doctornick

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I love the GWL, and I would never plan a week there. 2 nights towards the end of a WDW vacation would be my choice. Never leave the hotel. Drink, play, get a massage, drink some more, hot tub (in the Air Conditioned Indoor Water Park), just one more drink, and some water slides, mini-golf, Arcade, ok, one more drink for story time by the fireplace and off to bed.

Yeah, why would anyone go to a GWL for a week? 2-3 days is perfect and there's a good variety of offerings to fill up that time. I do think the food can be lacking, but you aren't forced to stay at the hotel to eat.

I actually think one in Anaheim is a fantastic idea -- a family can easily go to just Anaheim for a week and do DL + GWL (and toss in Knott's Berry if you wish). You'd only stay at GWL for the days you go to the water park there, so that would mean a hotel switch. There's prettuy much zero reason to stay at a GWL if you aren't doing the activities at the hotel itself.

GWL in Orlando seems like a tougher sell though given the number of high quality water parks in the area. It doesn't really compliment existing offerings and there's no real need for an indoor water park in central Florida. If you are already doing WDW or Uni or Sea World, I would just as soon visit their own water parks.
 

Donald Razorduck

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I have been to the GWL in Williamsburg, Virginia, and I have to say that I always thought it seemed to me to be a knock-off of Disney's Wilderness Lodge, but with a waterpark. I think it was mostly well-done and maybe a little more intentional about kids' activities than Disney's resorts (for which I give them a better grade); but overall more "cheesy" and less authentic than our Wilderness Lodge.

It is quite pricey, but it is an indoor-entrance resort; and therefore it would compete more directly with the Disney deluxes. It seems like people here are comparing the room price maybe only to Disney's cheapest hotels, because compared to the deluxes it is right in line or a little below. Have you seen Disney's hotel prices lately for fully-themed interior-entrance full-service hotels?

Isn't Wilderness Lodge a knockoff of Yellowstone's Old Faithful Inn complete with a faux Old Faithful?

I'm amused at the Disney colored glasses folk see thru around here sometimes.
 

Donald Razorduck

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This one is on 50 acres right? Hard to imagine they will not have both an indoor and outdoor waterpark more like the Wilderness in the Smokies has with this development. It's cheaper to go up with 800 rooms than out.
 

doctornick

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This one is on 50 acres right? Hard to imagine they will not have both an indoor and outdoor waterpark more like the Wilderness in the Smokies has with this development. It's cheaper to go up with 800 rooms than out.

Even if it does, I don't really see the fit for Orlando. I'm sure there will be some people who will go just due to the masses of tourists and some people will try different things, but it seems like an odd addition. It doesn't make sense to pay the rates to stay there unless you are using the water park itself, so you probably wouldn't stay there and be visiting WDW or Uni during the day. So, it's probably more of an add on to other vacations where you stay elesewhere for part of it and then stay at GWL for part of a trip; but how many of those folks wouldn't just go to BB/TL/W&W (or Volcanow Bay)/Aquatica instead if they are already near one of them?

I wonder if there target audience will be more for locals/relatively nearby folks who are just doing a short vacation and don't want to go to the theme parks.
 

prberk

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Isn't Wilderness Lodge a knockoff of Yellowstone's Old Faithful Inn complete with a faux Old Faithful?

I'm amused at the Disney colored glasses folk see thru around here sometimes.

When it opened, Disney's Wilderness Lodge was said to be fashioned after the great wilderness lodges of the National Parks, and particularly reminiscent of the Northwest and Yosemite. So, although I do not think that they mentioned a specific lodge, it would seem appropriate that one in Yosemite at Old Faithful might serve as a design reference point.

If you know my posts, including the last sentence jab in the one you quote at Disney's ridiculous prices for its deluxe hotels, you will note that my view of Disney is not always rose-colored. I am usually one wanting them to go back to the detail that they used to put into everything to mix an authentic feel and look with modern needs, which I do feel that they did well at WL. I usually lament their more modern cost-cutting. What I was saying above was simply that the Great Wolf Lodge in Williamsburg looks like it took its design cues from Disney (as an oversized family wilderness lodge) except that some of the characteristics of it were a little more "cheesy" (by which I meant something perhaps more kid-friendly or cheaply made -- sort of like how Chuck E. Cheese compares to the Country Bear Jamboree or scenes in Splash Mountain) than Disney's Wilderness Lodge, which, while in the family-friendly resort of WDW, was designed with a great deal of period and local detail, including planting of specific trees not native to Florida, and with a grand lobby and fine restaurants designed for and serving specialties of the Pacific Northwest (along with the more family-friendly ones, including Whispering Canyon, itself serving food appropriate for the lodge atmosphere). It was simply the attention to detail, even in mimicking the National Parks lodges, for which I was comparing the more kid-friendly GWL.

I did, however, note that the GWL out-did Disney on activities for kids and families at the resort itself, although, as others have mentioned it might be interesting to see how this goes in the Orlando market, where people tend to have tickets for a park that take them away from their room and less likely to need activities at the resort. On the other hand, I kind of feel like Orlando is such a broad tourist market that even places like the GWL with find people coming that are not necessarily out to a theme park all day every day. Even the Disney resorts have people who stay back at the room at any given time. And, of course, some families who might prefer the pool for some fun rather than standing in long lines at the theme parks every day. So, in that respect it might have some competition for Disney's water parks, which require more driving, parking, and money -- as opposed to having the water park in your hotel -- where kids can go while, say grandma, relaxes in her room and dad does some shopping. The only way I could see it done better is to tie the GWL with a Bass Pro Shop!
 
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flynnibus

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GWL in Orlando seems like a tougher sell though given the number of high quality water parks in the area. It doesn't really compliment existing offerings and there's no real need for an indoor water park in central Florida. If you are already doing WDW or Uni or Sea World, I would just as soon visit their own water parks.

I know.. I don't get it.

As you say... comparing hotel prices is dumb. What at GWL, you are paying for your party to visit the water park plus your room cost. There is no hotel to hotel comparison in costs. But why would I want to goto GWL when there is sea world's water park (good size), uni's new water park, discovery cove, etc.

GWL works because in those areas there is no real alternative.. and the indoor park provides that summer fun even in the winter. GWL is probably going to have to do some 'free day' add-ons or something to try to get people to anchor their trips at their hotel.
 

roj2323

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I know in Michigan Great Wolf Lodge is a destination hotel. People go there, especially in the winter, just for the water park. In the summer the water park is used as a babysitter while the parents golf or do some wine tasting.

Great Wolf Lodge also sells time shares so an added orlando area location would be a big opportunity for them.
 

Gatorboy

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I don't understand the negativity out there. I think an indoor park will be very well received. Any Hotel with unique offerings aka Nickelodeon, Gaylord, Animal Kingdom, etc. give the resort more options where you can relax. I like to stay at different hotels for that very reason. If I want to just have a bed to sleep in, I could stay anywhere.
 

Rutt

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GWL is our non Disney go to. We usually go to Niagara Falls and stay a week, and head into the city to do Clifton Hill, restaurants etc. Usually sets us back 2-3 grand Canadian.

I could see us trying the Orlando one if we're doing Uni or legolanf or something. I have no doubts it will do just fine down there.
 

doctornick

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I don't understand the negativity out there. I think an indoor park will be very well received. Any Hotel with unique offerings aka Nickelodeon, Gaylord, Animal Kingdom, etc. give the resort more options where you can relax. I like to stay at different hotels for that very reason. If I want to just have a bed to sleep in, I could stay anywhere.

Sure, but the thing about GWL in particular is the reason for the (relatively) high cost is that you automatically get the water park admission and because it is more of an "all inclusive" resort destination. It's not the type of place that people would stay at and then spend their time leaving the resort and visiting other places during the day. At least I don't think it would be -- it would be hard to justify the cost IMHO if you aren't spending substantial time enjoying the actual amenities at the resort.
 

Rutt

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Sure, but the thing about GWL in particular is the reason for the (relatively) high cost is that you automatically get the water park admission and because it is more of an "all inclusive" resort destination. It's not the type of place that people would stay at and then spend their time leaving the resort and visiting other places during the day. At least I don't think it would be -- it would be hard to justify the cost IMHO if you aren't spending substantial time enjoying the actual amenities at the resort.
Not really all inclusive at all. In fact, the extra food cost can be quite high.
 

doctornick

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Not really all inclusive at all. In fact, the extra food cost can be quite high.

Well, they have packages that include food too, but that wasn't what I meant by "all inclusive". I just meant, it was a resort where you can occupy all your time doing various activities -- the water park, the interactive scavenger hunt games, mini-golf, bowling, storytime, spa, 4D rides, etc. the premise being that you don't have to leave the resort to be entertained. Your room cost is comparatively high because it allows access to those activities, but if you were staying there but spending your time going to WDW or Uni, it would kinda defeat the point of spending the money on GWL. At that point, just stay at a cheaper hotel with a nice pool.
 

MickeyMomV

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I don't understand the negativity out there. I think an indoor park will be very well received. Any Hotel with unique offerings aka Nickelodeon, Gaylord, Animal Kingdom, etc. give the resort more options where you can relax. I like to stay at different hotels for that very reason. If I want to just have a bed to sleep in, I could stay anywhere.
I don't think its anything against GWL in general, its just if I'm dropping $4000-$6000 on an Orlando vacation the last place you will find me is spending a half day at the hotel waterpark. There is too much other stuff to do and I can go to GWL anytime.

On a side note, we have hit GWL several times in the past for a night or maybe 2 to escape the northern winters. The hotel is great I just don't think they can be competitively priced enough for Orlando. The timeshare option roj2323 mentioned maybe a wildcard though.
 

Gatorboy

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Sure, but the thing about GWL in particular is the reason for the (relatively) high cost is that you automatically get the water park admission and because it is more of an "all inclusive" resort destination. It's not the type of place that people would stay at and then spend their time leaving the resort and visiting other places during the day. At least I don't think it would be -- it would be hard to justify the cost IMHO if you aren't spending substantial time enjoying the actual amenities at the resort.

I understand the reason for higher pricing and disagree it's the type of place you would stay at but not go anywhere else. Maybe in Wisconsin, or some other destination, but we're talking about Orlando, where you have more things to do than you have time for. I certainly would consider a resort with its own unique park I could maybe use once or twice during my stay, while still hitting the attractions. That's why people pay premiums for stays at WDW or Universal resorts for perks you can't get else where. Their certainly are resorts with amenities on a par or better than the park resorts for less money.
 

Coaster Lover

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In the Parks
No
Comparing to the Disney Moderate and the Disney Deluxe with (arguably) the best pools over the same date range for 4 guests:

June 12th-June 18th 2016:
Great Wolf Lodge Williamsburg: Standard ($254.49/night); Themed ($304.49/night); Premium ($404.49/Night)
Coronado Springs: Standard ($232.00/night); Business ($319.00/night); Junior Suite ($511.00/Night)
Beach Club: Garden/Woods View ($535/night); Standard - Club Level ($675/night); 2 Bedroom Suite ($1677.00/Night)

Plenty of people choose a Disney resort with the pool being a major factor, so if you are just treating this as a "pool" option (something that you go to for a few hours each day/night as a break from the park or after visiting the park) as opposed to something you are doing all day, than sure, I could see where this could do well (assuming prices are similar to what they are in Williamsburg). Prices are right in line with Coronado Springs, it's all indoor access, the "pool" would arguably be substantially better than Coronado Springs and the hotel would be brand new (at least for the first few years) and I do tend to prefer newly built/renovated hotels over older hotels...
 

Rteetz

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I understand the reason for higher pricing and disagree it's the type of place you would stay at but not go anywhere else. Maybe in Wisconsin, or some other destination, but we're talking about Orlando, where you have more things to do than you have time for. I certainly would consider a resort with its own unique park I could maybe use once or twice during my stay, while still hitting the attractions. That's why people pay premiums for stays at WDW or Universal resorts for perks you can't get else where. Their certainly are resorts with amenities on a par or better than the park resorts for less money.
I would disagree about Wisconsin. The lodge is located in the Wisconsin dells which is home to almost a dozen other water parks, amusement parks, outlet malls, and more.
 

aw14

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I have stayed at the one in the Poconos multiple times, and they are nice for what they are. Orlando has gotta be a rough location for them though
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I don't think its anything against GWL in general, its just if I'm dropping $4000-$6000 on an Orlando vacation the last place you will find me is spending a half day at the hotel waterpark. There is too much other stuff to do and I can go to GWL anytime.

On a side note, we have hit GWL several times in the past for a night or maybe 2 to escape the northern winters. The hotel is great I just don't think they can be competitively priced enough for Orlando. The timeshare option roj2323 mentioned maybe a wildcard though.

Think more about Convention business, Someone goes to a professional convention and brings family, Lots to do at a GWL at a small delta over the room price alone.
 

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