Violet
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I have a 2,500 sf home on a quarter-acre and the house is totally bloated for the lot size. It looks ridiculous. I can't even imagine a 4,500 sf home on this lot. JMO.
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Golden Oak Update
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I have a 2,500 sf home on a quarter-acre and the house is totally bloated for the lot size. It looks ridiculous. I can't even imagine a 4,500 sf home on this lot. JMO.
I'll get the number tomorrow.
Fun fact: The people in the smaller "Village" homes get free landscaping but the people in the larger "Estate" and "Grand Estate" homes have to pay for their own.
Violet
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Yes, if you look at some of the floor plans that exactly what they are doing. The outdoor space on many of them is courtyard space.
Do you live in Florida? A large yard is not an asset in Central Florida. You would think so, but even the nicest of new homes are built right on top of each other.
Violet
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NJ. Very crowded and dense area, near NYC, not inexpensive. 4500 sf on a quarter-acre would be considered bloated for a lot that size. People buying houses that big around here would at least want a half-acre. But maybe it is a regional thing.
They get 20%. Hourly cast with a certain number of years of service and all professional cast get 35%.
Disneyhead'71
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Yeah they are developing some places here like they did the God awful Highlands Ranch south of Denver.
Very. There's a ton of new construction going on along Reams Road, north of the Magic Kingdom. $400K homes with 4,000 to 5,000 square feet, almost all on 1/4 acre or less.
Violet
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Wow, that just seems so big. Interesting.
luv
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Celebration crams those houses in. They're just one on top of the other. Celebration isn't nicer than many areas, it's all about the name. One day, everyone will become disenchanted with that name and housing prices will plummet. You take a risk buying there. And you live near all the tourist stuff.
I know people with TINY apartment-type condos who paid nearly what I did for a house and screened pool. But they wanted Celebration and they're happy there, so it's good for them.
Living in Orlando is very different than vacationing in Orlando. Most people would NOT want to live on the WDW property and deal with the tourists and traffic every day of their lives. Or have to use that crappy Wal-Mart, go to crowded drug stores, etc.
It would get old real fast, as would driving through WDW, where people drive way too fast or way too slow. The fast ones always realize too late that they're in the wrong lane and cut people off. I actually can predict it very often now, lol. Very good at defensive driving at WDW. But if I had to do it every day, I'd get a James Bond car and start blowing people up.
It's a fun dream, but would be a terrible reality.
I know people with TINY apartment-type condos who paid nearly what I did for a house and screened pool. But they wanted Celebration and they're happy there, so it's good for them.
Living in Orlando is very different than vacationing in Orlando. Most people would NOT want to live on the WDW property and deal with the tourists and traffic every day of their lives. Or have to use that crappy Wal-Mart, go to crowded drug stores, etc.
It would get old real fast, as would driving through WDW, where people drive way too fast or way too slow. The fast ones always realize too late that they're in the wrong lane and cut people off. I actually can predict it very often now, lol. Very good at defensive driving at WDW. But if I had to do it every day, I'd get a James Bond car and start blowing people up.
It's a fun dream, but would be a terrible reality.
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The fast ones always realize too late that they're in the wrong lane and cut people off. I actually can predict it very often now, lol. Very good at defensive driving at WDW. But if I had to do it every day, I'd get a James Bond car and start blowing people up.
It's a fun dream, but would be a terrible reality.
I would suspect that most of those who drive too fast and cut people off are from the NYC area (to include Jersey)...I swear, they don't give out speeding tix there!
PhotoDave219
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Its all about money.
luv
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They are just in that crazy Disney "Gotta do as much as we can! Gotta make that ADR!" state of mind, I think. No idea where they're going, but they must do it FAST!
I know when I come into property on Osceola Parkway when it is busy, some lunatic will fly by me on the left, realize that those lanes must turn left and then move back into my lane. Shortly after than, someone will realize the lane they're in on he right has begun to merge, but they didn't see the warning for that, so rather than brake, they'll move over without looking too hard.
Now I'll play the genius. Next time you're driving down Buena Vista toward DTD, after you pass Victory Way, but before you get to DTD (I think it's right after the road to Bonnet Creek), there will be an exit toward the highway on the right. At least one person in that right lane will realize they're in the wrong lane and move left. If they can't move over, they'll just stop the traffic exiting and wait until they can. Prepare to be amazed at my psychic powers!
I could do this all over WDW, point out cars that are going to do something other than what it would seem they're going to do, lol. It's an experience driving there.
I've said it before, but all teens should go driving through WDW to learn defensive driving.
lazyboy97o
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It's suburban sprawl at a place that was supposed to revive urbanism. At least Celebration is somewhat pedestrian oriented with a few businesses.
Majority are Florida drivers. Pretty easy to point out rentals, so avoiding them is easy. But you'll see many zipping in and out of traffic. There's always someone you're not driving fast enough for and it's like the have to cut you off by a hair to prove it to you. It's very dangerous. Lots of CPs are not great drivers either. We have these annoying speed bumps in the complex I am living at. I cannot tell you how many people do not slow down for them.. Or watch for pedestrians. Most are just texting and driving. All I can do is keep my distance and they eventually navigate around me since I stick to the speed limit!
Violet
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Oh they give out speeding tickets here!
disney4life2008
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This is just stupid. I understand/understood Celebration. Though I think Disney no longer control that town. But why on earth did they build this property? This seems like a waste of space that could have been used for other guests experiences.
216bruce
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I'd rather live in the real Marceline. Nice town. You could probably buy a block or two of it for the price of one of these "humble abodes".
I am a little late to the party, but I can share some insight.
I have been a structural engineer for just shy of 18 years and I see houses like what will be going up in Golden Oak and larger almost weekly. I currently have a 12415 square foot single family home being built on the beach in Ponte Vedra on my desk at the moment.
$1.5 million is high, but it is nowhere near out of the question or even uncommon for that matter when you are dealing with homes of this caliber. The three biggest things that will drive the price of a house up are its size, materials uses (in particular the finishes) and most importantly, the cost of the property.
Size is pretty easy. The more square footage, the more it is going to cost.
The materials is where it can really get nuts. You can build a 20,000 square foot house for the same price per square foot as a 2,000 square foot one or vice versa. What determines this are the materials and specs. You can build a luxury home out of the same 2x4 and 2x6 southern yellow pine that you do a track home. Switch to CMU and it will cost you more. Go to ICF and it will cost you a lot more. 8' ceilings cost less than 12' ones, popcorn ceilings are less than slick ceilings, a high end faucet can be 4 figures where a basic model can be $20. I did a house around a decade ago that had $800k in windows alone (no installation just the physical windows). This makes it incredibly hard to put an accurate square foot price on houses like this.
Property can be equally as nuts, but it tends to be easier to calculate. Like they always say...location, location, location. I have seen beach property go for millions per acre. The same is true for lots inside of luxury subdivisions. I heard of one lot in Harbor Island in Jacksonville that had deep water inter-coastal access go for a little over 8 million. I think it was around 2 acres.
Given the kind of community Golden Oak is, size of the homes and what they are required to look like, the figure of $1.5 million does not shock me in the least. The X factor is going to be if the proximity to WDW will be the same value to enough people as the beach or a place to park their Yacht. Right now it looks like maybe at best. Developments like this rarely sell quickly. I have been doing engineering for home in Queen's Harbour since the beginning of my career in 1995 and I think they still have a few vacant lots left.
I have been a structural engineer for just shy of 18 years and I see houses like what will be going up in Golden Oak and larger almost weekly. I currently have a 12415 square foot single family home being built on the beach in Ponte Vedra on my desk at the moment.
$1.5 million is high, but it is nowhere near out of the question or even uncommon for that matter when you are dealing with homes of this caliber. The three biggest things that will drive the price of a house up are its size, materials uses (in particular the finishes) and most importantly, the cost of the property.
Size is pretty easy. The more square footage, the more it is going to cost.
The materials is where it can really get nuts. You can build a 20,000 square foot house for the same price per square foot as a 2,000 square foot one or vice versa. What determines this are the materials and specs. You can build a luxury home out of the same 2x4 and 2x6 southern yellow pine that you do a track home. Switch to CMU and it will cost you more. Go to ICF and it will cost you a lot more. 8' ceilings cost less than 12' ones, popcorn ceilings are less than slick ceilings, a high end faucet can be 4 figures where a basic model can be $20. I did a house around a decade ago that had $800k in windows alone (no installation just the physical windows). This makes it incredibly hard to put an accurate square foot price on houses like this.
Property can be equally as nuts, but it tends to be easier to calculate. Like they always say...location, location, location. I have seen beach property go for millions per acre. The same is true for lots inside of luxury subdivisions. I heard of one lot in Harbor Island in Jacksonville that had deep water inter-coastal access go for a little over 8 million. I think it was around 2 acres.
Given the kind of community Golden Oak is, size of the homes and what they are required to look like, the figure of $1.5 million does not shock me in the least. The X factor is going to be if the proximity to WDW will be the same value to enough people as the beach or a place to park their Yacht. Right now it looks like maybe at best. Developments like this rarely sell quickly. I have been doing engineering for home in Queen's Harbour since the beginning of my career in 1995 and I think they still have a few vacant lots left.