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Heppenheimer

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If you're in London in June and wanted to watch the original unedited non-special edition version of New Hope, it's being shown at the BFI Film Festival for the first time since 1978 -

The headline of that article is somewhat misleading...

There may have been very minor tweaks to the sound editing from the original release in 1977 before the 1997 "Special Edition" re-release that we all love (right?.... right?... crickets), and George Lucas added the subtitle "Episode IV" in 1980, but this is pretty much the version of the film that was widely available until the Special Editions came out. It was re-released in theaters multiple times, it was put out on VCR format, laser dics and frequently broadcast on TV. It hasn't been "banned" for 47 years. We all remember that "Han shot first" not because all of us saw the movie on its initial release in 1977 (I would have been one year old at the time), but because the original cut was the version we saw dozens of times in the two decades prior to the Special Editions being the only version released by Lucasfilm.
 

Phroobar

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The headline of that article is somewhat misleading...

There may have been very minor tweaks to the sound editing from the original release in 1977 before the 1997 "Special Edition" re-release that we all love (right?.... right?... crickets), and George Lucas added the subtitle "Episode IV" in 1980, but this is pretty much the version of the film that was widely available until the Special Editions came out. It was re-released in theaters multiple times, it was put out on VCR format, laser dics and frequently broadcast on TV. It hasn't been "banned" for 47 years. We all remember that "Han shot first" not because all of us saw the movie on its initial release in 1977 (I would have been one year old at the time), but because the original cut was the version we saw dozens of times in the two decades prior to the Special Editions being the only version released by Lucasfilm.
Interesting thing on the "Han shot first" thing, is the original non-subtitle "Episode IV" release shows just an explosion. There are no blaster bolts. Once the smoke clears, Greedo falls over. Blaster bolts were added in later releases.
 

Disney Irish

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The headline of that article is somewhat misleading...

There may have been very minor tweaks to the sound editing from the original release in 1977 before the 1997 "Special Edition" re-release that we all love (right?.... right?... crickets), and George Lucas added the subtitle "Episode IV" in 1980, but this is pretty much the version of the film that was widely available until the Special Editions came out. It was re-released in theaters multiple times, it was put out on VCR format, laser dics and frequently broadcast on TV. It hasn't been "banned" for 47 years. We all remember that "Han shot first" not because all of us saw the movie on its initial release in 1977 (I would have been one year old at the time), but because the original cut was the version we saw dozens of times in the two decades prior to the Special Editions being the only version released by Lucasfilm.
Whether you have an issue with the title or the framing of the article the point of it is still the same. George made tweaks to the film almost immediately after release and BFI has one of the few last remaining copies of the original unedited prints of the film, ie with none of George’s tweaks even for sound, and will be screening it in June.
 

Heppenheimer

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Whether you have an issue with the title or the framing of the article the point of it is still the same. George made tweaks to the film almost immediately after release and BFI has one of the few last remaining copies of the original unedited prints of the film, ie with none of George’s tweaks even for sound, and will be screening it in June.
Like I was saying, though, those tweaks were so minor that it would be really hard to tell the difference. As I understand, they were mostly just sound editing. The really substantial changes weren't made until the Special Edition came out in 1997.
 

Heppenheimer

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Interesting thing on the "Han shot first" thing, is the original non-subtitle "Episode IV" release shows just an explosion. There are no blaster bolts. Once the smoke clears, Greedo falls over. Blaster bolts were added in later releases.
Yeah, I remember thinking the first time I saw the Special Edition that the original just looked more convincing. As well as being really stupid that Greedo missed at point-blank range and Han seems to barely react.

I'm not a hater of the Special Editions... particularly in the final battle of the Death Star, the motions of the ships look much more fluid and less janky. But the Greedo change was unnecessary and the scene with Jaba looked terrible and just recapitulated information we already knew.
 

Disney Irish

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Like I was saying, though, those tweaks were so minor that it would be really hard to tell the difference. As I understand, they were mostly just sound editing. The really substantial changes that weren't made until the Special Edition came out in 1997.
And I understand that, and agree with you, that any tweak prior to 1997 were probably minor in nature. However that doesn't change the fact that the BFI print that is being shown is an unedited original print without even those minor tweaks.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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Yeah, I remember thinking the first time I saw the Special Edition that the original just looked more convincing. As well as being really stupid that Greedo missed at point-blank range and Han seems to barely react.

I'm not a hater of the Special Editions... particularly in the final battle of the Death Star, the motions of the ships look much more fluid and less janky. But the Greedo change was unnecessary and the scene with Jaba looked terrible and just recapitulated information we already knew.

I believe the Greedo scene was added when the Jabba scene had to be cut. By putting it back in, it ends up with two scenes that say the same thing.

A lot of the new shots in the final battle do look great in terms of composition. The CG hasn't held up as well as I'd like though and there's a lack of consistency between the new and old shots.

As always, the unaltered original movies aren't too hard to find.

If fans can create quality versions, there's no reason Lucasfilm couldn't, regardless of any truth to the original negative being destroyed.
 

Phroobar

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I believe the Greedo scene was added when the Jabba scene had to be cut. By putting it back in, it ends up with two scenes that say the same thing.

A lot of the new shots in the final battle do look great in terms of composition. The CG hasn't held up as well as I'd like though and there's a lack of consistency between the new and old shots.

As always, the unaltered original movies aren't too hard to find.

If fans can create quality versions, there's no reason Lucasfilm couldn't, regardless of any truth to the original negative being destroyed.
Yup, there is no real reason for the Jabba scene outside of introducing the character and Boba Fett. Jabba does look better in the bluray. A fan edit made Jabba a hologram. It needs polish but it's an interesting idea.

 

erasure fan1

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Yup, there is no real reason for the Jabba scene outside of introducing the character and Boba Fett. Jabba does look better in the bluray. A fan edit made Jabba a hologram. It needs polish but it's an interesting idea.
I'm not sure why they can't get Yoda or Jabba to look right with cg. I don't give ep8 a lot of credit, but at least yoda looked ok as a puppet. The special edition jabba is just awful. And the didn't really do any better with the hutt in book of boba. Can we just go back to practical Hutts? Lol
 

Wendy Pleakley

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I'm not sure why they can't get Yoda or Jabba to look right with cg. I don't give ep8 a lot of credit, but at least yoda looked ok as a puppet. The special edition jabba is just awful. And the didn't really do any better with the hutt in book of boba. Can we just go back to practical Hutts? Lol

The trouble with prequels is two-fold:

Jabba has retired from acting so they have to find an alternate.

If he did come out of retirement, they'd have to use de-aging effects which aren't always the best either.

;)

I will say the CGI Yoda in the prequels ended up being much better than the Episode 1 puppet which was terrible.
 

Phroobar

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The trouble with prequels is two-fold:

Jabba has retired from acting so they have to find an alternate.

If he did come out of retirement, they'd have to use de-aging effects which aren't always the best either.

;)

I will say the CGI Yoda in the prequels ended up being much better than the Episode 1 puppet which was terrible.
That puppet Yoda in episode 1 was goofy looking. Those weird eyes.
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The puppet Yoda in TLJ looks even weirder.

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If they did de-age Jabba they would forget to use a younger voice like they did for Indiana Jones.
 

erasure fan1

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I will say the CGI Yoda in the prequels ended up being much better than the Episode 1 puppet which was terrible.
It looks ok. But when you compare anything against that nightmare fuel ep1 puppet, it's going to look pretty good. Lol

The big problem is yoda really wouldn't have looked any different from the prequels to the OT. He's over 900 years old, 25 or so years ain't making a difference.
The puppet Yoda in TLJ looks even weirder.
It's not perfect by any means. But it's the closest they've come. And it feels right with Frank performing him.
 

Tha Realest

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I'll believe it when they verify it's actually being filmed.
I get the cynicism given Lucasfilm’s track record with announced projects, but Levy’s in demand (from Disney, no less), doesn’t havre a record of not finishing a film, and this is presumably farther along than most other announced then cancelled projects.
 

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