Garcia: With MyMagic+, Mickey will watch where you go, what you do

GoofGoof

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One more point for now: I am constantly reading conflicting -- even hypocritical -- posts on these boards regarding the ideal Walt Disney World guest.

Sometimes, the consensus is that the parks should be made available to everybody. People complain that Disney has priced out middle-class families and use this reality as a critique of the resort's direction. Other times, the consensus is that Disney has grown classless over the years, filled with "undesirable" clientele. In another active thread right now, there is an entire discussion about how folks used to dress up to visit the Magic Kingdom in the so-called "golden era." One post even suggested that the guests in the parks back then were superior because they were "slender," a completely unfair sentiment.

So which is it?
Welcome to the insanity of posting anonymously on a message board where everyone claims to be thin, attractive and well dressed:cool: My favorite was the discussion about how guests at Universal are better dressed than guests at WDW. Funny part is most people visiting universal spend some time at Disney too. I guess they just save their better clothing for the days they visit Universal;)

Your point is pretty much dead on. Disney parks should be for everyone, unless you are overweight, in a wheel chair or have a stroller with you then you are ruining the parks for others.:(
 

the-reason14

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I enjoy a good rewards program when it comes to discounts or some other tangible reward. That said, I never understood (nor will I ever understand) the notion that the amount of money I spend entitles me to be treated any better than the person standing next to me.

I agree. Especially when it comes to the different WDW resorts. If you've stayed at deluxe all your WDW vacation going life and feel a certain type of way because you're not getting anything more park wise in comparison with the moderates and values. Then stay at one of those and save some money. No one is making you spend more to stay at a deluxe, that's your choice.
 

GoofGoof

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I agree. Especially when it comes to the different WDW resorts. If you've stayed at deluxe all your WDW vacation going life and feel a certain type of way because you're not getting anything more park wise in comparison with the moderates and values. Then stay at one of those and save some money. No one is making you spend more to stay at a deluxe, that's your choice.

Isn't the whole point of a rewards program to reward customers for being loyal and spending more? If you give the same discounts and rewards to everyone regardless of how much they spend then it's not a rewards program it's just a discount or a coupon or a sale. The airlines and casinos both have true loyalty rewards programs. If you fly 25,000 miles in a year you get to silver status or something. If you accumulate 25,000 miles you get a free flight. At casinos if you gamble frequently and spend enough money you get free meals, hotel rooms and show tickets. They don't give the same rewards to an old lady playing penny slots as the guy playing blackjack at $100 a hand.

Bringing it all back to WDW, if they want to create a reward/loyalty program it could be based on a bunch of factors including frequency of visits and money spent on property (including how much you spend for your room). The guests spending more would get more perks. It shouldn't be based solely on which hotel you are staying at.
 

the-reason14

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Isn't the whole point of a rewards program to reward customers for being loyal and spending more? If you give the same discounts and rewards to everyone regardless of how much they spend then it's not a rewards program it's just a discount or a coupon or a sale. The airlines and casinos both have true loyalty rewards programs. If you fly 25,000 miles in a year you get to silver status or something. If you accumulate 25,000 miles you get a free flight. At casinos if you gamble frequently and spend enough money you get free meals, hotel rooms and show tickets. They don't give the same rewards to an old lady playing penny slots as the guy playing blackjack at $100 a hand.

Bringing it all back to WDW, if they want to create a reward/loyalty program it could be based on a bunch of factors including frequency of visits and money spent on property (including how much you spend for your room). The guests spending more would get more perks. It shouldn't be based solely on which hotel you are staying at.

But it seems like they're doing the opposite with the tracking bands. Discouraging AP's but encouraging the once in a lifetime visitor that will pay more for food, souvenirs then the people who've been going most of their lives. I don't see much problem with a "rewards" system, it's just that people really shouldn't expect to get more other then the amenities at said resort. Because other then where you decide to lay your head for the night, pretty much everyone pays equal to get inside the parks.
 

GoofGoof

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Discouraging AP's but encouraging the once in a lifetime visitor that will pay more for food, souvenirs then the people who've been going most of their lives.

Yep. It's about who will spend the most money. The loyalty part is for loyal spenders not just loyal visitors. For example a long time AP holder who visits the parks on a regular basis but doesn't buy a lot of souvenirs or eat meals on property or stay in the hotels may not be the "best" customer in terms of profits. They use up resources without adding enough additional revenue.

A once every couple of years guest who stays in a deluxe hotel, books a bunch of table service meals and buys a ton of crap while there is a much more lucrative visitor. They would be targeted by a reward program and given incentives to come back more frequently or stay longer. An AP holder who also spends a ton of money on property would also be rewarded. Without the additional data from the magic bands people get lumped into groups based on very broad demographics. Not every AP holder is a "bad" customer. Not every deluxe hotel visitor is a "good" customer.

Keep in mind that WDW has become more of a resort business with a bunch of theme parks attached rather than a theme park business with a bunch of hotels attached. The business model revolves more around hotel revenues and guest spending now than park tickets so it does make some sense that the people paying the most for rooms and meals and souvenirs would be rewarded more. There is a nice place right down the street that is still run like a theme park business (for now). Only problem there is they also reward deluxe hotel guests with a great perk that others don't get unless they pay a steep fee.
 

kittybubbles

Active Member
Does the FAQ for fast pas plus still have verbiage mentioning that the number of selections you can make might be dependent on your ticket package, the time of year, the day of the week, etc.?

I recall seeing words like that when the FAQ for FP+ first came out! but some folks seem to be suggesting that Disney wouldn't do something like that!?!
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Does the FAQ for fast pas plus still have verbiage mentioning that the number of selections you can make might be dependent on your ticket package, the time of year, the day of the week, etc.?

I recall seeing words like that when the FAQ for FP+ first came out! but some folks seem to be suggesting that Disney wouldn't do something like that!?!

They mention the number of experiences available depends on your vacation package or the tickets linked to your account. In other words you can only make reservations for 7 days if you have a 7 day pass. When they say number of experiences they mean total number not number per day. There is no mention of total per day varying by guest.
 
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misterID

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WDW doesn't need a loyalty program. They don't need loyalty. They have the brand name. They have the clout and advertising. And most of all their target demo is the infrequent visitor from overseas with a lot of money to spend on their single visit.

Funny enough, I had that "loyalty visitor mentality" where I was overpaying for subpar accomodations and service for a long time. If they want me to be loyal, offer a fresher product and better rates for better accomodations. Even their value resorts are a rip off. You're paying to stay on site and have that "magical" stay. I had the best vacation of my life staying off site recently, literally right down the street from their resorts, and had a better suite than you could find at TGF and nowhere near the cost. There's really no reason for me to waste money staying on Disney property. The Monorail at my resort just isn't a big enough perk to justify the prices. And I'm a spender in the parks. But Disney couldn't care less about me though, they have all kinds of people waiting to plop their money down on one vacation in a lump sum... Totally discounting the fact that I spend more at WDW over time than their target demo does during their infrequent, sometimes lone trips.
 
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flyerjab

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Yep. It's about who will spend the most money. The loyalty part is for loyal spenders not just loyal visitors. For example a long time AP holder who visits the parks on a regular basis but doesn't buy a lot of souvenirs or eat meals on property or stay in the hotels may not be the "best" customer in terms of profits. They use up resources without adding enough additional revenue.

A once every couple of years guest who stays in a deluxe hotel, books a bunch of table service meals and buys a ton of crap while there is a much more lucrative visitor. They would be targeted by a reward program and given incentives to come back more frequently or stay longer. An AP holder who also spends a ton of money on property would also be rewarded. Without the additional data from the magic bands people get lumped into groups based on very broad demographics. Not every AP holder is a "bad" customer. Not every deluxe hotel visitor is a "good" customer.

Keep in mind that WDW has become more of a resort business with a bunch of theme parks attached rather than a theme park business with a bunch of hotels attached. The business model revolves more around hotel revenues and guest spending now than park tickets so it does make some sense that the people paying the most for rooms and meals and souvenirs would be rewarded more. There is a nice place right down the street that is still run like a theme park business (for now). Only problem there is they also reward deluxe hotel guests with a great perk that others don't get unless they pay a steep fee.

Great post!

My curiosity about a rewards program extends beyond just the definitions of value, moderate and deluxe. What about guests that have bought into the DVC program? How do they fit into this New World Order that is starting to coalesce with the MM+ Program? Will they be viewed even more favorably since they have decided to invest long term in the company? Would love to hear other viewpoints on that.
 

alphac2005

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Isn't the whole point of a rewards program to reward customers for being loyal and spending more? If you give the same discounts and rewards to everyone regardless of how much they spend then it's not a rewards program it's just a discount or a coupon or a sale. The airlines and casinos both have true loyalty rewards programs. If you fly 25,000 miles in a year you get to silver status or something. If you accumulate 25,000 miles you get a free flight. At casinos if you gamble frequently and spend enough money you get free meals, hotel rooms and show tickets. They don't give the same rewards to an old lady playing penny slots as the guy playing blackjack at $100 a hand.

Bringing it all back to WDW, if they want to create a reward/loyalty program it could be based on a bunch of factors including frequency of visits and money spent on property (including how much you spend for your room). The guests spending more would get more perks. It shouldn't be based solely on which hotel you are staying at.

Right. Based on the countless conversations on here, one's budget and the amount that they spend at the WDW isn't dependent upon the where they stay with the notion of people that rolled off the People of Walmart site and end up at the "deluxe" resorts.

If you want a so-called loyalty program, then it should be based upon dollars spent as you noted. For all this talk of casino loyalty cards, they do differ a tad from business travelers with hotel stays and airline programs. The casinos have a product that has ridiculously high margins. When you look at the theme parks fiscals, you'll see that the margins aren't spectacular, but the income is so high, and they have a nice operating profit per quarter. Free food, drinks, cheap to free room stays, well, those are of such little cost to the casinos and their money is made on the floor. There truly isn't a high cost. They are giving away food, which has about the highest margins in retail/dining outside of clothing and jewelry, and the room cost.

As a prior excellent post mentioned, hotels, it's all about acquisition cost and getting someone such as our reporter friend here on the board staying with a particular brand for months out of a year, it's well worth the upgraded rooms and free rooms for him or her especially with the fact that most hotels are never at full capacity and there is always room availability. So, you upgrade someone from a $250 room to a $600 room. Well, if the $600 was going to be vacant and the traveler is with you for dozens of days a year, there is only on paper cost, not real world cost and the gain of keeping that traveler. Ok, maybe some additional bars of soap from a higher grade room, but you get the idea.

Have we seen anything of the Orlando property other than taking more and more from the customer? So, here's how I read it and I think common sense dictates so: Ok, if they are adjust rates, product pricing, you name it based upon a customer's spending and other analytical data, in the end, prices from ticket media to food will continue to soar. So, a small minority supposedly benefit, but by the time you get through with all the hikes, your so-called discount would end up where you are today. It's always bait and switch with TDO.
 

Jimmy Thick

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Not an exclusively positive story. What a quote:

"We are fortunate that many of our guests want to communicate and have a relationship with us," Disney World spokeswoman Kim Prunty said. "We are focused on sharing information with guests in a way that respects their relationship and enhances their experience."

http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#story/os-disney-mymagic-data-tracking-20131004

Thoughts?

Bah, same old same old garbage that's been spread since MM+'s inception, nothing new.

It's about time. I spend upward of 200 nights per year at Marriott properties for business, as I'm sure many others on these boards do as well. I should be treated better than the vast majority of other guests at the hotel. That company appears to appreciate all the money they are receiving from me and reward for my loyalty to their brand. If they didn't, I'd be staying at Starwood hotels instead.

Disney has never treated its highest spenders and most dedicated customers with any semblance of respect. I am all for a strong rewards program, and if MyMagic+ is the catalyst for that, so be it.

I agree with this 100%.

For an example.

If I stay at Bay Lake Tower for 10 days there is a strong chance I could be spending 7 to 8 thousand dollars where a family staying off property is spending under a thousand on the same trip. Who deserves perks more? Even go so far as to put the same trip being at a Disney value or moderate and you still have a huge discrepancy in who spent more, the person spending more should have a better experience than the person spending less. Universal is ahead of Disney in this respect when they offer guests at their deluxe resorts a free fastpass based upon the fact they are indeed staying at one of their deluxe resorts, when they open their new value resort, Universal value resort guests will not have this available to them creating a valid class system. Disney needs to offer the guests who spend more, more for their money beyond the amenities of the deluxe resort simply because the deluxe guest deserves more.

If this is a feature built into MM+, not only is it long, long overdue, it should be applauded and well worth the billions to develop in my opinion.


Jimmy Thick- I spent 10k on my trip, another family spent 2k, who does Disney want more?
 

muteki

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The perk you get for laying out thousands for a Deluxe or DVC resort is you get to stay at that resort, and enjoy all the benefits that entails. Better pool, location, dining, transportation, etc. If you feel this isn't enough value for the higher cost...then don't stay there.

If you want an additional perk inside the park, there are various discounts food/merch for AP/DVC/TIWL etc. If you really want to throw your money around you can get a VIP tour from Disney and get to the front of every line.
 
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GoofGoof

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The perk you get for laying out thousands for a Deluxe or DVC resort is you get to stay at that resort, and enjoy all the benefits that entails. Better pool, location, dining, transportation, etc.

If you want an additional perk inside the park, there are various discounts food/merch for AP/DVC/TIWL etc. If you really want to throw your money around you can get a VIP tour from Disney and get to the front of every line.
This was always true at WDW but times are changing. I still think they will somewhat follow the Universal model of rewarding those spending more outside the parks on hotels with rewards inside the parks.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Great post!

My curiosity about a rewards program extends beyond just the definitions of value, moderate and deluxe. What about guests that have bought into the DVC program? How do they fit into this New World Order that is starting to coalesce with the MM+ Program? Will they be viewed even more favorably since they have decided to invest long term in the company? Would love to hear other viewpoints on that.
I think with magic bands DVC guests can also be more specifically grouped. Not all DVC owners are the same. Some probably spend as much or more than the average hotel guest. The concept that they will spend more on other stuff since they aren't shelling out cash to pay for a room. Other DVC owners may be frugal and may not spend a lot on meals and merchandise.

If DVC owners stay in a villa they may eat more meals in room, but they won't be on free dining so they might be more likely to spend on meals in off season when many are on free dining packages.

DVC already has some additional perks, but I can't see them being treated any better or worse than a deluxe guest.
 

ddrongowski

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" Disney plans to use that information to devise more sophisticated and personalized sales pitches, in which everything from the message to the price could vary from one prospective customer to the next."

So if you spend a lot now, expect to pay more. Sorry folks they are not going to do you favors for giving them money. Their a business and getting more dollars out of you pocket and into theirs is their goal.

It's the old "If they have 200 dollars to spend, get all 200 dollars, while giving them less".

I have seen this time and time again, and it is not for the customers benefit.
 

wendysue

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It's about time. I spend upward of 200 nights per year at Marriott properties for business, as I'm sure many others on these boards do as well. I should be treated better than the vast majority of other guests at the hotel. That company appears to appreciate all the money they are receiving from me and reward for my loyalty to their brand. If they didn't, I'd be staying at Starwood hotels instead.

Disney has never treated its highest spenders and most dedicated customers with any semblance of respect. I am all for a strong rewards program, and if MyMagic+ is the catalyst for that, so be it.

Great....maybe it won't be as busy for you then. It will just be you and the rest of the 1%. You can have my spot.
 

ddrongowski

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It's about time. I spend upward of 200 nights per year at Marriott properties for business, as I'm sure many others on these boards do as well. I should be treated better than the vast majority of other guests at the hotel. That company appears to appreciate all the money they are receiving from me and reward for my loyalty to their brand. If they didn't, I'd be staying at Starwood hotels instead.

Disney has never treated its highest spenders and most dedicated customers with any semblance of respect. I am all for a strong rewards program, and if MyMagic+ is the catalyst for that, so be it.
Problem is your not being treated any better, your just paying more.
 

ddrongowski

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Their focus is shifting away from repeat guests to once or twice in a lifetime, spend five or ten thousand dollars for magic guests. I don't think they'll be rewarding repeat visitors any time soon.
Agreed. As Disney is full aware of how much I have spent with them since 2001. After all they gave me printed out receipts detailing every purchase I made with them on my KTTW cards. They to this day have never given me anything special in return that they don't already give to the masses.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
" Disney plans to use that information to devise more sophisticated and personalized sales pitches, in which everything from the message to the price could vary from one prospective customer to the next."

So if you spend a lot now, expect to pay more. Sorry folks they are not going to do you favors for giving them money. Their a business and getting more dollars out of you pocket and into theirs is their goal.

It's the old "If they have 200 dollars to spend, get all 200 dollars, while giving them less".

I have seen this time and time again, and it is not for the customers benefit.
Here is how I see it. With the data available on spending now they will be able to tailor offers to people they deem to need an added incentive to return. The more valuable they see you as a customer the more important it will be to get you to return. If they don't see you as a valuable customer they will make less of an effort to get you back.

I posted this in another thread, but I think it's a good analogy. The department store jewelry counter marks their jewelry up 200% then has a 50% off sale. Anyone going to the store gets the sale price. There are 2 customers, a bargain hunter who waits for the sale each year to buy his wife a gift. Customer 2 needs a gift fast and walks into the store with no idea a sales is going on. They both buy the same earrings for the same price. Wouldn't the department store like to only offer the sale price to the guy who is only going to buy at the sale and charge full price to the other guy?

Bringing it back to WDW, prices will go up for everyone but the blanket offers of 35% room discounts or free dining may be phased out and replaced with targeted offers. If your profile shows that you could be swayed to stay longer, upgrade from a moderate to a deluxe or buy additional items they may try to entice you.

The blind pixie dusters who will pay anything because its magical will probably end up with less discounts. Same with the less desirable guests who don't spend enough while they are there. The group in the middle will still get offers but like the jewelry store customer they will still pay more. The psychological impact of getting a "free" offer is powerful. Look at how excited people get about pin codes or free dining.
 

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