Free Dining Sold Out

StupidJudy

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I recently found out that Disney is offering free dining during the dates that I am going next (October 19-26). I called my travel agent to take advantage of the offer and she told me that free dining is sold out for moderate resorts; I didn't even know there was a limit. Is there any possibility of them offering it to more people? It seems unfair that I have had those dates booked for 6 months and am not able to get the free dining.
 

sgtmgd

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I recently found out that Disney is offering free dining during the dates that I am going next (October 19-26). I called my travel agent to take advantage of the offer and she told me that free dining is sold out for moderate resorts; I didn't even know there was a limit. Is there any possibility of them offering it to more people? It seems unfair that I have had those dates booked for 6 months and am not able to get the free dining.
Call Disney Direct... don't take a travel agents word...not that they aren't competent or fantastic at what they do...but I will always double check
 
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StupidJudy

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Thank you everyone for the advice!! I have done some research and it seems like upgrading to any resort that has free dining available is going to cost a lot more than I am currently paying. So I'm going to continue checking every day to see if something changes. Fingers crossed!
 
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Timekeeper

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I believe that sometimes sale items are excluded from the offers that if you find it somewhere cheaper, we'll pay the difference. There's always a catch!;)

True, but what difference would that make? If I purchased Bose headphones for $129 at Buymore three weeks ago, and then found them on "sale" today for $99 at Buyless, I could simply return them to Buymore, purchase them from Buyless, and save $30 in the process. Whether Buymore refunds the difference, or the full price upon a return, I'm still getting the same item and saving the difference.
 
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dreamfinder

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True, but what difference would that make? If I purchased Bose headphones for $129 at Buymore three weeks ago, and then found them on "sale" today for $99 at Buyless, I could simply return them to Buymore, purchase them from Buyless, and save $30 in the process. Whether Buymore refunds the difference, or the full price upon a return, I'm still getting the same item and saving the difference.

Because some sale items are loss leaders. Especially black friday ads, lots of the big items are either in very low quantity, or at a large discount, with the hopes you will buy other stuff while in the store. While Buymore may want you as a customer, if those headphones cost them $110, they may not want to pay you $11 to buy the headphones from them and stay a customer. For your average item, normally not a problem. But if there is a massive sale, then you may have issues. Say Buymore has a 48" LCD TV for $800, but Buyless puts it on sale for $600. Now that TV cost either store $599. Buyless sells it for a dollar profit, hoping to talk you into buying their protection plan. Or maybe their HDMI cables at a 200% markup. Either way, they make their money through those purchases. Now if Buymore were to match their price, plus beat it by 10% (110% price match guarantee is common), they would have to sell it to you at $540. This ends up costing them $59. So even if they sold you that same protection plan or cable, they might break even, most likely not make a profit. Some stores may do it just to keep you as a customer, but others may look as it as being a trend, in that you only shop there when it works out greatly in your favor and tell you to take a walk.

Now to bring this back to WDW, free dining is like working in a clothing store, and stocking 3 styles or shirts, in 3 colors each. Styles 1 and 2 aren't selling as well as you wanted in any color, so you put all 3 on sale to try to sell out before people want jackets instead of shirts. The 3rd style, blue and red are selling great, but you have a ton of green. So green goes on sale, but red and blue stay full price. You had bought a red shirt in style 3 a week ago, but heard the shirts were on sale. You head back, and by the time you get there, they are sold out of green. They aren't going to give you the sale price on the red shirt because those were selling just fine at full price. You might luck out and get someone to return a green shirt so you an exchange yours at a later date, but otherwise you are out of luck.
 
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Timekeeper

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... Some stores may do it just to keep you as a customer, but others may look as it as being a trend, in that you only shop there when it works out greatly in your favor and tell you to take a walk. ...

I don't know of any stores that close their doors to customers who only shop at those stores when it "works out greatly in the customer's favor." It's called being a smart consumer. Why would a consumer pay more for something than they have to? Stores like Jo-Ann and Michael's often publish weekly 40% off coupons. I only walk out of those stores having made a purchase if I used the coupon. They have yet to refuse my admittance...
 
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wilkeliza

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I don't know of any stores that close their doors to customers who only shop at those stores when it "works out greatly in the customer's favor." It's called being a smart consumer. Why would a consumer pay more for something than they have to? Stores like Jo-Ann and Michael's often publish weekly 40% off coupons. I only walk out of those stores having made a purchase if I used the coupon. They have yet to refuse my admittance...

But a lot of times Jo-Ann and Michael's won't let you bring back a receipt for things you bought last week and apply the 40% off because the coupon probably says on future purchases. I worked in retail for 4 years and was a chasier. At both stores I worked at (Pet-Co and Wal-mart) we were told that sale items were only for current purchases and you could not let a customer return an item and then buy the same item at the sale price. They could return the item and pay the restocking fee if one applied and then go see if we still had the item on the shelve at the sale price but they could not get the item they purchased last week because it needed to be sent back to be repackaged or be sent back to cooperate so we could get our money back for the full priced item. The same situation goes with Disney. Typically if you have already booked your trip before free dinning or room discounts come out they have to do work in their computers (that you may never be aware of) of unbooking and rebooking you so that you can have the discount. If there are no "discount rooms" to book you into then you don't qualify for the discount. It sucks that it happens but they have X amount of rooms with the discount attached if others have used those X amount they know that if they were to extend the offer to anyone who called after that would cause them to loose money this is why there is the disclaimer that says subject to availability and act fast not all rooms are included etc.
 
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Timekeeper

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...At both stores I worked at (Pet-Co and Wal-mart) we were told that sale items were only for current purchases and you could not let a customer return an item and then buy the same item at the sale price. They could return the item and pay the restocking fee if one applied and then go see if we still had the item on the shelve at the sale price but they could not get the item they purchased last week because it needed to be sent back to be repackaged or be sent back to cooperate so we could get our money back for the full priced item....

In that case, any smart consumer, aware of this deceitful practice on the part of the retailer, would simply purchase the desired sale item first, and then return the duplicate full price item (for the full price as indicated on the original sales receipt). So long as the duplicate full price item falls within the applicable return policy, it must be accepted by the retailer. Classic contract law.
 
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wilkeliza

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In that case, any smart consumer, aware of this deceitful practice on the part of the retailer, would simply purchase the desired sale item first, and then return the duplicate full price item (for the full price as indicated on the original sales receipt). So long as the duplicate full price item falls within the applicable return policy, it must be accepted by the retailer. Classic contract law.

You can do that but what I'm saying is if the sale item is no longer available such as say Black Friday where only an certain amount of the item is available at the discount price and rain checks are not offered then you are out of luck.

All of your examples are as if there is an unlimited amount of the sell item. If there is a limited amount such as with the Disney discounts (room, free dinning, discount ticket packages, etc.) then the returning of the original item won't help you because your original item was not apart of the number of discounts alloted for the sale. Now if there was an unlimited amount of rooms at the discount price then of course Disney would just allow you to get the discount but that is not the case. As others have said if you are outside of your 45 day mark you still have the option to move to a different class of rooms or a different resort to get the discount but if say you want a moderate resort and all the moderate resorts at the discount price have been booked to their max for the discount then you can't just expect Disney to give you the discount because you booked already before the discount came out. Now they can (and most of the time do) offer you to switch to a different level that still has the discount and will glad to do all the back work stuff that has to happen to have that go on but they won't just add it on to your existing reservation if it puts them over their limit for the discount.
 
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wilkeliza

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Not an "unlimited amount," just one more available item. One is enough. ;)

If there is one left then of course you can get it at the sell price and return your original for the full price listed. However as the OP stated she was told that there was nothing left at the sell price for her resort level and that is why I stated that Disney has no obligation to give them the discount any more. Now if they choose to go up to a deluxe or down to a value then yes as long as the discount is still available they are open to it and to a refund (or upcharge) for the difference.
 
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Timekeeper

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If there is one left then of course you can get it at the sell price and return your original for the full price listed. However as the OP stated she was told that there was nothing left at the sell price for her resort level and that is why I stated that Disney has no obligation to give them the discount any more. Now if they choose to go up to a deluxe or down to a value then yes as long as the discount is still available they are open to it and to a refund (or upcharge) for the difference.

I completely agree, no obligation. But, as others have posted above regarding consumer loyalty, the last class of consumer that a company wants to disappoint or tick off are existing consumers that have already made an investment. That is particularly true in this economy. It's almost impossible to watch an hour of tv without seeing a travel company commercial that heavily emphasizes refunding the difference in cost if prices lower after purchase. Some commercials, like Orbitz, focus solely on this feature. There's something to be said about corporate loyalty to its consumers. :(
 
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wilkeliza

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I completely agree, no obligation. But, as others have posted above regarding consumer loyalty, the last class of consumer that a company wants to disappoint or tick off are existing consumers that have already made an investment. That is particularly true in this economy. It's almost impossible to watch an hour of tv without seeing a travel company commercial that heavily emphasizes refunding the difference in cost if prices lower after purchase. Some commercials, like Orbitz, focus solely on this practice. There's something to be said about corporate loyalty to its consumers. :(

I stopped using Orbitz because I never got a cheaper price out of them and never saw refunds because it wasn't their price that dropped. I now have been using Yapta because they tell you how to get the refund through the airline or the hotel directly and keep you notified if any of the prices have dropped.
 
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Timekeeper

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I stopped using Orbitz because I never got a cheaper price out of them and never saw refunds because it wasn't their price that dropped. I now have been using Yapta because they tell you how to get the refund through the airline or the hotel directly and keep you notified if any of the prices have dropped.

I wasn't familiar with them. Thanks for the heads up. :)
 
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nsmom

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I agree your travel agent should have moved you into the free dining without you even calling. I use castlechat and they always readjust the bookings on their own. That's really what their job is. Highly recommend their services if you are looking for a travel agent in the future.
 
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dreamfinder

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I don't know of any stores that close their doors to customers who only shop at those stores when it "works out greatly in the customer's favor." It's called being a smart consumer. Why would a consumer pay more for something than they have to? Stores like Jo-Ann and Michael's often publish weekly 40% off coupons. I only walk out of those stores having made a purchase if I used the coupon. They have yet to refuse my admittance...

It happens quite frequently. There are numberous reports of people being banned from various stores after using extreme-couponing. See here -> http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/308315 And many other stores have changed their policies to benefit the store -> http://blogs.smartmoney.com/paydirt/2011/06/27/extreme-couponing-now-extremely-prohibited/ and limiting the amount of sale items. And I personally have had a manager at Michael's refuse to accept the coupon I printed from their website that was 40% off the entire order (they did some promo at one point where this was a prize/reward) as he felt we were taking advantage of the coupon (we had a cart full of items). But this is also why the fine print on those craft store coupons expressly prohibit their use on large ticket items. (Crikit machines and the like) Taking a 40% hit on a single fake flower isn't that bad, especially when they know you are likely to purchase multiple fake flowers to complete your project. So you walking out of the store with a single frame, is an oddity they accept, to attract the hard core crafters who buy large amounts of supplies.

In that case, any smart consumer, aware of this deceitful practice on the part of the retailer, would simply purchase the desired sale item first, and then return the duplicate full price item (for the full price as indicated on the original sales receipt). So long as the duplicate full price item falls within the applicable return policy, it must be accepted by the retailer. Classic contract law.

Which is why many retailers are actually pulling items from their shelves now prior to Black Friday. Or selling an item that has a different item number than they normally stock. Specifically to avoid this. For the smaller non door busters, they don't are as much because once again it's a small loss, and they want you to buy other items.

Not an "unlimited amount," just one more available item. One is enough. ;)

And in the OP's case, this doesn't apply. WDW only had X number of rooms available at the discounted price/free dining promotion. And they sold out. There is nothing saying that any retailer needs to offer all their goods at a discounted price. They are free to shout "Next 20 people to buy a car get it half off!" And if you are number 21, then no discount for you. If the OP had called back prior to the free dining being sold out, then WDW would have gladly swapped them over to take advantage of it. But they cannot sell something they no longer have. Otherwise no one would ever pay full price for a WDW room. Or alternatively, everyone would. If WDW automatically price adjusted everyone who booked a room, chaos would ensue. People would either be booking at 499 days just to ensure they had a room. WDW would then have full occupancy, so no one would need a discount. So then everyone would have booked hoping for a discount, but then not got a discount. Creates a big sticky mess.

I completely agree, no obligation. But, as others have posted above regarding consumer loyalty, the last class of consumer that a company wants to disappoint or tick off are existing consumers that have already made an investment. That is particularly true in this economy. It's almost impossible to watch an hour of tv without seeing a travel company commercial that heavily emphasizes refunding the difference in cost if prices lower after purchase. Some commercials, like Orbitz, focus solely on this feature. There's something to be said about corporate loyalty to its consumers. :(

True. But retailer make their money selling their product at full price. Orbitz doesn't actually sell the product. They are selling a service (booking your vacation) in the same exact way that WDW specific travel companies sell a service (booking your trip) and most will auto rebook to get you the lower deal. Since Orbitz or the WDW travel agent still makes their commission, they have nothing to lose by making their clients trip cheaper. But the supplier of the actual product (in Orbitz case airline/rental car/hotel, in WDW travel agent case WDW hotels/tickets) loses by not making the same amount of profit. In the same way that airlines charge last minute business travelers absurd amounts of money for plane tickets to offset the cheaper tickets they sell to tourists, WDW sells rooms at full rack rate to help offset selling other rooms at a discount.

If I walk into a retailer the week after a sale is over, and demand a price match, they will laugh at me. The terms of their sale existing only during the specific time frame the sale was in place. If I didn't have the smarts or ability to go and either ask for the price match or buy a new one at sale price to return the old full price one, why should they appease me?
 
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meganw1985

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They don't typically open it up to more people. Also since you booked over 6 months ago they can claim that you aren't eligible for the discount. You could call Disney yourself but I'm not sure what that would do. Booking in advance can save you some but is also a risk because it is like buying anything else. If you buy it when it isn't on sale you can't take it back once it goes on sale and ask for your money back. Sorry that you don't get to partake in it but Disney needs people paying rack rate for their product for these discounts to be paid for.

Like I said you can call Disney yourself but there is no guarantee. They will tell you what they have open but it won't be at a moderate.

Yeah this isn't true. As long as you aren't within your 45 day limit (and maybe even if you are, I've nit tried that) you can change to the discount. We change our packages all the time when deals come out, and some of our trips are booked a year in advance.
 
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wilkeliza

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Yeah this isn't true. As long as you aren't within your 45 day limit (and maybe even if you are, I've nit tried that) you can change to the discount. We change our packages all the time when deals come out, and some of our trips are booked a year in advance.

As we have already come to with many discussions you can only add if they have the rooms still available. The OP was told it was sold out for moderates and if it was truly sold out for moderates then no they could not just add the package. They would have to either go up or go down in hotels in order to get the free dinning. You can change the deal all you want while it is still available but if it is not available for you price level then you have to make the choice to either change your resort or just deal.
 
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