Free Dining Extended.

Pentacat

Pentacat

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WDWDad13 said:
so what does this mean? Universal has stale content too
https://www.universalorlando.com/Ho...ays-to-Vacation.aspx?__source=print.uid000036

lol - contrary to popular belief, Disney is not panicking and thinking Universal is going to put them out of business


2012 stats:

Magic Kingdom – 17,536,000
EPCOT – 11,063,000
Animal Kingdom – 9,998,000
Hollywood Studios – 9,912,000
Total: $48,509,000

Universal Island of Adventure – 7,981,000
Universal Studios – 6,195,000
Total: $14,176,000 (still less than MK alone)
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Math is fun. Your stats, while correct, don't really paint an accurate picture of the issue. Here's the same data but showing the attendance change from 2008 to 2012. Notice that the parks (both Disney and non Disney) that have had the most significant additions in terms of content show double digit growth. Of course the outlier is USF but that can be attributed to IOA cannabilizing attendance. I know, I know, WDW's attendance is still more than 3X UNI's attendance but you cannot ignore a nearly 34% increase in your competitors business and not be concerned.

Park 2008 2012 Percent Increase
Magic Kingdom - WDW 17063000 17536000 2.70%
Disneyland 14721000 15963000 7.78%
Epcot 10935000 11063000 1.16%
Animal Kingdom 9540000 9998000 4.58%
Hollywood Studios 9608000 9912000 3.07%
Islands of Adventure 5297000 7981000 33.63%
California Adventure 5566000 7775000 28.41%
Universal Studios Florida 6231000 6195000 -0.58%
Universal Studios HW 4583000 5912000 22.48%
 
WDWDad13

WDWDad13

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Pentacat said:
Math is fun. Your stats, while correct, don't really paint an accurate picture of the issue. Here's the same data but showing the attendance change from 2008 to 2012. Notice that the parks (both Disney and non Disney) that have had the most significant additions in terms of content show double digit growth. Of course the outlier is USF but that can be attributed to IOA cannabilizing attendance. I know, I know, WDW's attendance is still more than 3X UNI's attendance but you cannot ignore a nearly 34% increase in your competitors business and not be concerned.

Park 20082012Percent Increase
Magic Kingdom - WDW17063000175360002.70%
Disneyland14721000159630007.78%
Epcot10935000110630001.16%
Animal Kingdom954000099980004.58%
Hollywood Studios960800099120003.07%
Islands of Adventure5297000798100033.63%
California Adventure5566000777500028.41%
Universal Studios Florida62310006195000-0.58%
Universal Studios Hollywood4583000591200022.48%
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right but... you have to remember what Uni was like prior to harry plopper... no one should be surprised of a jump like that to be honest... everything is still on the rise at WDW'... the bad trend would be Uni going up with WDW going down... we haven't seen that.... yet.... AK and DHS needs a big shot of steroids tho
 
Soarin' Over Pgh

Soarin' Over Pgh

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Free dining isn't gonna convince me to book a Disney package. Unfortunately for Disney, I've spent a considerable amount of time looking into off-site hotels and Universals hotels in regards to Disneys and their price points. And just for craps and giggles, I checked ticket prices.

My five day Disney vacation at Poly last May ran us roughly $3100. For less than that I'm looking at Universal's new hotel, for two weeks, including park tickets to both Disney and Uni. Free food isn't going to change my mind.
 
Chris M

Chris M

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This morning their phones were jammed - couldn't even get through. I was luck enough to get a reservation in for the Riverside via their website before the reservation system went down. After getting through later this morning via phone, we were basically turned away by the representative. They said that the entire reservation system was down and they can't do anything. Not sure if it's back up by now, but that was around 11AM EST.
 
Pentacat

Pentacat

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WDWDad13 said:
right but... you have to remember what Uni was like prior to harry plopper... no one should be surprised of a jump like that to be honest... everything is still on the rise at WDW'... the bad trend would be Uni going up with WDW going down... we haven't seen that.... yet.... AK and DHS needs a big shot of steroids tho
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And that complacent attitude is exactly the problem. It's the "good enough" attitude that you see in every aspect of the WDW parks. Maintenance is good enough, staff training is good enough, content is good enough, etc. You may not expect more from Disney but I certainly do.

I guess it will take IOA overtaking DHS on this attendance list to wake up the denyers. Which at current expansion rates could be as soon as 2014.
 
Dubman

Dubman

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Question.. We have trip planned for 11/9-11/17.. Of course free dining has a blackout until 11/11. Went ahead and made a reservation for 11/11 - 11/17 with 9 day park hopper first thing this morning without a problem. Also made a room only reservation for 11/9 - 11/11 for same hotel. Here is the problem. When we arrive on the 9th, am I going to be able to access my 9 day park hopper tickets for the free dining reservation starting on 11/11? Or should I modify the free dining package to 7 day park hopper tickets and just plan on not going to the parks the first 2 days. Confused at how this works. :confused:
 
Pentacat

Pentacat

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Dubman said:
Question.. We have trip planned for 11/9-11/17.. Of course free dining has a blackout until 11/11. Went ahead and made a reservation for 11/11 - 11/17 with 9 day park hopper first thing this morning without a problem. Also made a room only reservation for 11/9 - 11/11 for same hotel. Here is the problem. When we arrive on the 9th, am I going to be able to access my 9 day park hopper tickets for the free dining reservation starting on 11/11? Or should I modify the free dining package to 7 day park hopper tickets and just plan on not going to the parks the first 2 days. Confused at how this works. :confused:
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In the past they made you split it up into two different reservations but it's been at least four years since I've had to deal with this so it may have changed.
 
WDWDad13

WDWDad13

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Pentacat said:
And that complacent attitude is exactly the problem. It's the "good enough" attitude that you see in every aspect of the WDW parks. Maintenance is good enough, staff training is good enough, content is good enough, etc. You may not expect more from Disney but I certainly do.

I guess it will take IOA overtaking DHS on this attendance list to wake up the denyers. Which at current expansion rates could be as soon as 2014.
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I completely agree... but if you put on their shoes for a day... they are running a business...and they are making money... so.... I want them to do more and fast too .... but.... nothing yet (even though WE think it is) is driving them to make any quick sudden changes

sad on many levels but it's true
 
Dubman

Dubman

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Pentacat said:
In the past they made you split it up into two different reservations but it's been at least four years since I've had to deal with this so it may have changed.
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Yeah, that was my understanding about the 2 reservations. But now I am wondering if I will be stuck without park tickets our first 2 days. Only reason I booked the 9 day with the dining plan was to use the extra 2 days when we arrive. Hopefully they will allow us access to those park tickets when we get there on the 9th.
 
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DisneyJoe

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Sassagoula-Rvr

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I'm so glad we got the code mailed to us earlier for these dates...got POFQ. I have noticed POFQ is restricted a lot more, looks like the secret is out...I've always thought it was the best non-deluxe resort on property.
 
KingStefan

KingStefan

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rudyjr13 said:
Also discounted room rates. Of note is that they put the Grand and Poly back on the 30% off Deluxe list. Last offer it was 20 or 25% with the rest of the Deluxe at 30...gee what does that tell you...
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Anyone know how to check availability of the room-only discount for certain dates online? I haven't been able to find a way to do it.
 

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