Florida commission: Disney discriminated against autistic visitors

PhotoDave219

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From The Orlando Sentinel. Could be interesting come Federal Case time.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busi...minated-autistic-visitors-20150306-story.html

A Florida commission that enforces civil rights has determined that Walt Disney Parks and Resorts discriminated against autistic children when the company changed its policies for disabled access to rides and attractions in 2013.

The new Disney program was a “blanket accommodation that did not take into account the nuances between various disabilities,” according to the commission findings, dated Feb. 13.

In 2013, Disney ended its previous program, the Guest Assistance Card, because the older program was abused by wealthy people who hired guests with disabilities to take them to the front of a line. The new program, called Disability Access Service, no longer allowed disabled people to skip waiting, but it allowed them to make a reservation in advance and avoid standing in line until that time.

An attorney for the families, Andy Dogali of Tampa, says he filed complaints on behalf of 27 families with the Florida commission. The commission ruled on five of those complaints recently, finding in favor of the families.

The state complaints mirrored allegations made in federal lawsuits Dogali is also handling against Disney in Orlando. Dozens of families with autistic children have sued, alleging that children with autism or other cognitive disabilities don’t have the patience required to wait for a certain ride – even if they are not waiting in line. Those lawsuits cite “meltdown behaviors” that sometimes force children and their parents to leave the parks.

The commission’s determination doesn’t provide for any immediate penalty or impact to Disney. But the finding does allow Dogali to add another count to his federal lawsuits – alleging that Disney violated the Florida Civil Rights Act.

“It’s not necessarily a binding legal document, but it is a confirmation of our position,” Dogali said in a phone interview. “Folks have a certain predisposition about Disney, that they can’t do anything wrong. If Disney people didn’t take this seriously before, they have to now.”

If Dogali wanted to, he could now seek a settlement from Disney using a hearing process set up by the Florida commission. But Dogali said he believes the federal courts are a better place to pursue the allegations against Disney.

Disney declined to comment on the commission's determination for this story, said Disney spokesman Bryan Malenius.

The comission’s published findings include a summary of what the commission says were Disney’s main arguments:

--Denied violating any applicable laws, codes or regulations or that it discriminated.

--Said it went to great lengths to provide service to its disabled guests and prides itself on its accessibility through its facilities.

--Said it established a dedicated department known as Services for Guests with Disabilities and provides a full array of services ranging from guidebooks that assist guests with disabilities to policies and procedures that enhance their experience at the various theme parks and resorts.

--Contended that the plaintiffs in the case, or the disabled people, preferred the previous program because it allowed them to enter rides directly and immediately without waiting.

-- Argued that the complaints failed to prove that the Disability Access Service program hasn’t accommodated their disability.

Dogali said he plans to add new claims to the federal lawsuits, seeking damages under the Florida Civil Rights Act, and attaching the commission findings as an exhibit.

The commission determination found that the DAS program would not allow a disabled visitor “to enjoy the park as it was intended to be enjoyed by all other patrons.”

The DAS program has been used at Disneyland in California and at Walt Disney World.

The commission is the state enforcement agency for the Florida Civil Rights Act, similar to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission on the federal level. According to the commission’s website, it has investigated and closed more than 74,000 cases and has negotiated close to $13 million in settlement amounts for more than 1,500 people through its mediation services.
 

photomatt

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This is nonsense.

No one has to visit to Walt Disney World. It's not a requirement to live; it's nothing more than a luxury. Disney has made very reasonable accommodations with the implementation of DAS, while cutting down on fraud.

I can not understand how anyone can claim it's unreasonable to wait for a ride when they don't have to wait in line. It is my understanding that DAS allows guests to make a reservation for a ride, wait anywhere for that time to come, and then get immediate access to the ride. The only difference is that they don't get immediate access to every single ride they want, they have to wait somewhere until their reservation. How on earth could this be unreasonable?

If your kid can't wait, then don't go! That is not an unreasonable concept.

I know this is overused, but it needs to be said again. This is why we can't have nice things. This is absurd.
 

Nubs70

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Well this is a bunch of crap. What is autistic Jimmy going to do when he comes of age and enters the real world? ? What is Trust Fund Jenny going to do when she comes of age and enters the real world?

Probably the same thing, "I'm entitled, gimme gimme gimme"
 

ULPO46

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I don't like to weigh in on The Persons with Disabilities Act, but come on. What kind of discrimination is going on. People have sadly abused the system to the point where it is nearly impossible to provide comfortable conditions to all guest with actual disabilities and so on and so forth. It will be a shame if they get sued, but this is the reality that we live in and the reality that is outside of the Fiberglass and cement made fairytale land.
 

GrumpyFan

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BRB, going for popcorn!
'Dis gone be good!

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PhotoDave219

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This is nonsense.

No one has to visit to Walt Disney World. It's not a requirement to live; it's nothing more than a luxury. Disney has made very reasonable accommodations with the implementation of DAS, while cutting down on fraud.

I can not understand how anyone can claim it's unreasonable to wait for a ride when they don't have to wait in line. It is my understanding that DAS allows guests to make a reservation for a ride, wait anywhere for that time to come, and then get immediate access to the ride. The only difference is that they don't get immediate access to every single ride they want, they have to wait somewhere until their reservation. How on earth could this be unreasonable?

If your kid can't wait, then don't go! That is not an unreasonable concept.

I know this is overused, but it needs to be said again. This is why we can't have nice things. This is absurd.

Oh I completely agree with you. I think its absurd as everything.

The biggest problem is that this will come in to play with the federal lawsuits. And god help us if they are allowed to amend the complaints to include a count of violating the plaintiff's civil rights.
 

DancerJonathan

Active Member
Some people just don't understand. I have a disability and it's hard for me to stand for a long time. But, I do it and wait patiently when I meet a character. Speaking of which. If the Angelina Maleficent character comes back out. I would wait four hours to meet her. Because Maleficent is my favorite Disney Character.
 

photomatt

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Some people just don't understand. I have a disability and it's hard for me to stand for a long time.
I completely understand this. There should be places for you to wait that allow you to sit down, and you should not have to stand in line any more than is absolutely necessary. No one here could possibly disagree with this.

The issue here is that these families feel they are entitled to special treatment, they don't want to wait in line, and they want to try to get more money. It's that simple.
 

photomatt

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Here's a thought. It is my understanding that Disney had to create the DAS because there was so much abuse of the old system. This rampant abuse created long lines (at the disabled access boarding areas) because there were so many people using it. How could going back to that system be better than getting a reservation, and then walking on the ride at that time with no additional wait at all?
 

DancerJonathan

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I completely understand this. There should be places for you to wait that allow you to sit down, and you should not have to stand in line any more than is absolutely necessary. No one here could possibly disagree with this.

The issue here is that these families feel they are entitled to special treatment, they don't want to wait in line, and they want to try to get more money. It's that simple.

I agree with you.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
This is nonsense.

No one has to visit to Walt Disney World. It's not a requirement to live; it's nothing more than a luxury. Disney has made very reasonable accommodations with the implementation of DAS, while cutting down on fraud.

I can not understand how anyone can claim it's unreasonable to wait for a ride when they don't have to wait in line. It is my understanding that DAS allows guests to make a reservation for a ride, wait anywhere for that time to come, and then get immediate access to the ride. The only difference is that they don't get immediate access to every single ride they want, they have to wait somewhere until their reservation. How on earth could this be unreasonable?

If your kid can't wait, then don't go! That is not an unreasonable concept.

I know this is overused, but it needs to be said again. This is why we can't have nice things. This is absurd.

They do not get immediate access, they return to the Fastpass+ line so still could have to wait.
 

DancerJonathan

Active Member
Here's a thought. It is my understanding that Disney had to create the DAS because there was so much abuse of the old system. This rampant abuse created long lines because there were so many people using it. How could going back to that system be better than getting a reservation, and then walking on the ride at that time with no additional wait at all?

YASSS, I have used booth systems, and hate the new one. So Instead, I use the FP+ system and meet Disney characters all the day.
 

photomatt

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cmoliver68

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The commission determination found that the DAS program would not allow a disabled visitor “to enjoy the park as it was intended to be enjoyed by all other patrons.”
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Well, it is my determination that allowing guests to skip the lines prevents me from being able "to enjoy the park as it was intended to be enjoyed by all other patrons" since it causes unnecessary delays in the ride queue.

I have nothing at all against persons with disabilities. However, we all know that there will be those that abuse the system that do not have disabilities. Disney took the necessary steps to accommodate people and that simply isn't good enough for them. Honestly, it is time for all of the politically correctness in this society to end so we can put an end to the sense of entitlement of anyone who is "different." This applies to race, gender, physical ability, etc. I am not saying we should be bullies or abusive to people, but just because you feel you are "different" doesn't make you special or give you special privileges or rights that are not able to be enjoyed by others.

I know this is going to draw the ire of some on here and could even get my post deleted but this is what I think. Maybe it is time for the straight, white, regular middle class Americans without disabilities to sue for the right to skip the line.
 

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