Fixing "Frozen Ever After"

TwilightZone

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Original Poster
This is my reimagining of the Frozen Ever after attraction at epcot. It may not be the best reimagining ever, but I bet it's better than the real attraction.

The ride begins the same way as the normal ride does with Olaf telling us that we're going to Elsa's ice palace.
The riders then "follow" Kristoff and Sven to Elsa's Ice Palace, then suddenly a windstorm appears drifting us away from the ice palace. Then Hans appears and tries to kill the riders with an ice pick. Elsa saves the riders with a gust of wind drifting the riders backwards.
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After going backwards, the riders end up safely in Arendelle and Anna, Elsa, and Olaf say goodbye to the riders.
So what do you think about my version of the ride? Any improvements you want to suggest?
 

stitchcastle

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That's a pretty interesting take on the Frozen ride, it makes it more thrilling.

I personally quite like the way the imagineers have structured the ride, giving it a celebratory feel while honoring the songs from the movie. If I were to plus it (or have to build it elsewhere from the ground up) I would probably just incorporate some of the Marc Davis sequences from his proposed Snow Queen ride for the Magic Kingdom, which basically means more ice scenery and ice/snow creature animatronics before heading up to the ice palace. I would also have guests riding enchanted sleighs rather than boats.
 

MANEATINGWREATH

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This is my own honest opinion, so please, don't come after me with your torches and pitchforks... Frozen Ever After is the best dark ride Disney has designed for the American parks in the past century (so in sixteen years). Notice how I've omitted Mystic Manor, Monsters, Inc. Ride & Go Seek, and Pooh's Hunny Hunt. o_O

Anywho, having watched videos of the attraction prior to my recent WDW trip, I was a bit flabbergasted at how incredible the AA's and special effects appeared in the video. These are the likes of technological marvels that I have yet to see in a Disney Park, albeit the Hatbox Ghost over on my coast is pretty up there. Better yet, this dark ride wasn't a "book report" or "best of such and such" like Pinocchio's Daring Journey or Ariel's Undersea Adventure (both attractions which I love). This dark ride was original but distinctly familiar in the sense that it was an almost separate entity from the film while retaining the charm, characters, settings, and familiar music of the film.

Having waited around the entire morning for the attraction to reopen from its at-opening downtime, our Epcot trip went from 0 to 60 the second we saw that the attraction has reopened with a - get this - 60 minute wait time. This was too good of an opportunity to pass up and, sure enough, by the time we left the attraction, the line had boosted to 240 minutes over the course of our hour. Wow. I haven't waited that long since Star Tours reopened in 2011, even then we only waited a good 140.

After our sixty-minute (more like eighty) charade in the wonderfully-themed interior queue with subtle nods and tributes to Maelstrom (I particularly love the wooden gnomes and trolls - one being three-headed - inside Oaken's Sauna) scattered throughout, we hopped aboard our familiar Viking ship for a journey that couldn't possibly be recreated in any other Disney park (not true, but as of today, it is)...

From the get-go, Olaf's head was broken, slightly askew. Despite this, he still walked and pranced around. WHAT?!? WHY DON'T WE HAVE THIS IN CALIFORNIA?! There wasn't a single moment in the attraction that I felt like I was in a dark ride. I felt as if I was actually in this fictional world where these characters were living, breathing sentients. Seriously. I'm 22, and I felt like a little kid again. I didn't feel this way in the Magic Kingdom the day prior, nor did I feel this way at any other point in the trip. Frozen brought out my inner-child... That's what Disney is all about to me. Everything exceeded expectations, from the projected faces of the AA's to the backwards segment, it was a perfect, well-rounded experience that easily could count as the best attraction in WDW. I'm not just singing its praises for the sake of the technological advancements, I'm singing them because this attraction is an instant classic in the spirit of Pirates or HM, character-inclusion and all. I don't think Frozen Ever After needs to be fixed in the slightest. Can it be expanded upon and replicated in other parks? Absolutely. If anything, I'd suggest fleshing out the attraction for its next generation appearance. After all, everyone's a bit of a fixer-upper. :p

Now, in regards to the attraction's location... This is where the torches and pitchforks will be out to get me. I'm cool (pun intended) with it. True, Maelstrom was and is a great attraction, one of the best in Epcot's "edutainment-centric" dark rides. Admittedly, its absence takes away a bit of the heart that Epcot once bore on its sleeve, and trust me, I'm all about Horizons, World of Motion, Journey into Imagination, Maelstrom, etc. We will never see attractions like those again, and it absolutely breaks my heart. But with its departure, Epcot moves forward. And that's what Epcot has always been about - moving forward.

The addition of Frozen Ever After may bring characters into a once character-free attraction roster, but remember, Donald and the Three Caballeros did that first. In my earnest opinion, think of this attraction as an experimental prototype dark ride of tomorrow. From this point on, we're only going to see dark rides of this caliber. Think about it. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they spat out a modern dark ride that utilized cutouts and animatronics with the mobility of a Macy's window display figure. Frozen Ever After has set a standard in modern theme park dark rides, and from here on out, it's just going to get better and better. WDI has done an excellent job of establishing the film's universe as apart of Norway in this attraction and I can't wait to see what the future holds for the rest of World Showcase. Would it work better in Fantasyland? Probably, but until then, I'll raise a glass to Anna and Elsa.
 

comics101

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First, ideas for improving Frozen/Noway. Then, a quick rant.

When it comes to enhancing Frozen Ever After, stitchcastle hit the nail on the head. The attraction should take place in a massive, ornate ice palace located on the edge of Fantasyland. I wouldn't build Arendelle (I'm tired of fantasy villages; you've seen one you've seen them all), but would instead create a Winter Wonderland mini-area, maybe including an ice cavern restaurant and some sort of a snow-themed flat ride...ooh or a toboggan family coaster. Wandering Oaken's would be near by as well. As for the ride itself? Sled vehicles are obvious (although I'm not opposed to a boat ride...melting ice?), and incorporating scenes inspired by Marc Davis' Snow Palace, including dancing ice fairies, sleeping polar bears, penguins racing us downhill on their bellies, etc. should be a given.

In Norway, I'd like to see an attraction similar to Sinbad's Storybook Journey, featuring the Legend of Harald Fairhair. A viking warrior, Harald is noted for uniting several area viking tribes and becoming the very first Viking King of Norway. What's so amazing about his story though, isn't what he achieved, but why he did so. Harald was head-over-heels in love with a Viking princess who refused to give her hand in marriage until he was king over all the tribes of Norway. So, to prove his love, he began an expedition to unite the tribes of Noway into a single kingdom, and until that task was accomplished, vowed not to cut nor comb his hair.

^^That's the actual true legend of the formation of Norway, how awesome is that? Imagine a Disney-fied version of the story full of viking adventure, ferocious polar bears, and an encounter with an evil troll deep in Norwegian wood. The finale? A viking wedding of course.

The addition of Frozen Ever After may bring characters into a once character-free attraction roster, but remember, Donald and the Three Caballeros did that first. In my earnest opinion, think of this attraction as an experimental prototype dark ride of tomorrow. From this point on, we're only going to see dark rides of this caliber. Think about it. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they spat out a modern dark ride that utilized cutouts and animatronics with the mobility of a Macy's window display figure. Frozen Ever After has set a standard in modern theme park dark rides, and from here on out, it's just going to get better and better. WDI has done an excellent job of establishing the film's universe as apart of Norway in this attraction and I can't wait to see what the future holds for the rest of World Showcase. Would it work better in Fantasyland? Probably, but until then, I'll raise a glass to Anna and Elsa.

I appreciate hearing your perspective MEW, and in a lot of ways I think it is likely exactly how I'll feel on my next visit to Epcot (hopefully sooner rather than later). Having yet to experience the ride but having watched a few videos of it, it's very hard for me to just flat out hate it. Imagineering did the absolute best ride possible given the space and constraints they were given, and it shows. Although I don't believe every dark ride from this point forward will be of the same caliber, it's clear Frozen Ever After is a dark ride for the 21st century.

With that said, I'm still having a hard time reconciling with the fact that it is in Epcot, not so much because of what it replaced, but because of what I worry it means for the future of themed design in Disney parks. Today's corporate Disney sees the parks as nothing more than billboards for recent movies. The folks in charge have absolutely no idea what made Disney theme parks so special, nor do they care. They don't understand the fact that themed design is just a beautiful and important an art form as opera and ballet, and they're willing to shoehorn any property into any space so long as it will sell merchandise and get kids to watch Disney Channel.

I would point out too, that I'm not entirely opposed to putting characters into Epcot. I think it's a little lazy; when you take a pavilion designed to function as a futuristic underwater research facility, paste a couple of clown fish and a turtle to the front of it and call it an all new and improved experience, you're pulling my leg. But hey, if Nemo can educate children about the importance of clean oceans, then cool, I'm all for it. I just think there's a more tasteful way to achieve characterization and not dilute a park's theme.

A final note: You had mentioned that Maelstrom was one of Epcot's best; the truth is it wasn't, in fact if you think about it, Maelstrom was just as strange and just as random as DCA's Superstar Limo. From a viking village, to a polar bear attack, to magical troll infested woods, to a modern day oil rig, the ride had no sense of time, place, or story, and was really nothing more than a bunch of "Norway highlights." I contend the reason it's remembered so fondly is not because it was great, but because it, along with Living with the Land and (to a somewhat lesser extent) Universe of Energy, were the last 3 attractions at Epcot that still felt like EPCOT Center. These rides are not only full of old-school charm, they actually hold true to the mission and theme of the park, and remind people who were lucky enough to visit EPCOT Center in its heyday of the wonder and amazement they experienced.
 

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