First Visit to MK: Disneylander Documentation

No Name

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My favorite part of Magic Kingdom was the Welcome Show… everyone had to wait in front of the train station before park opening, and then a performer would get the crowd in the right spirit and finally the train would pull up to the station with all of the characters waving and music playing, and then the gates would open. It was unique to Magic Kingdom and it really captured that Disney magic that I feel like they’ve lost a little. For various reasons they now let everyone onto Main Street early and replaced it with a show on the castle stage, which is fine, but doesn’t hit the same.

Raven glad you enjoyed your day!
 

eddie104

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I’m glad you had a safe trip and enjoyed some parts of WDW. You just have to remember they serve two different markets.

Vacationers versus locals which does have an impact on things. Some of the comments made where a little funny and ironic though.

Exaggeration runs deep over here I noticed so I ignored some of the statements made. Especially when it concerned things looking dated.

One day is definitely not enough to see what the resort has to offer though. You should definitely come back and visit again and stay longer.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
Speedway doesn’t look as charming as Autopia.

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Agreed. I don't even get on that thing too much anymore. My local amusement park has a better version.
Florida’s drinking water tastes terrible. Disneylanders, ask for bottled water and soda here.
Agreed. I cannot drink the water in Florida. I drink a lot of bottled water. I bring a Britta bottle to CA when I make it out there and the water's fine.
Oh god, the bathrooms. The bathrooms are so dirty. Trash and dirty tissue all over the floors and soiled toilets. I tried to use one on Tomorrowland and literally every stall was completely filthy, so I held it. Went to the Rapunzel bathrooms and They were nasty, too. I did find one clean stall, though. Thank God.
No one told her where the good bathrooms are? 🤣
Weird side note… People don’t put as much effort into their outfits/appearances here.
Yup... actually on my last trip to DL, my friend and I spent a lot of time going, "Did we just see that?" "Was that girl supposed to be dressed as Lilo?" I think part of it is the weather honestly. We just don't care when it's 90 degrees out and the humidity is making your hair stand on end. You do see more of it in the winter when it's more temperate, and you do see a lot of it in Galaxy's Edge.
MK is dirty. My friend and I have noticed trash and dirty vehicles. Currently in line for Pirates and just passed a cluster of plastic bottles. It’s blurry because I snapped it quickly as I walked by. Not okay.

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I have found that around holidays tend to be worse as far as people being pigs. I've been over July 4th and Labor Day, and I've been in September when it's absolutely dead. People are worse on holiday weekends and the parks tend to be dirtier. I don't know why. I also think Disney tends to focus most of their custodial staff in AK due to the animals; that place is always immaculate.

I hope you get to experience the other parks someday, especially Epcot and AK. They're very different from the DL parks. I think you'd really be wow'd by the level of theming in both.
 

Parteecia

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Exaggeration runs deep over here I noticed
Ok, maybe about the chickens but I really did have to cover my nose and panic-push out of the crowd because the smell was so bad. And I really did throw away shoes because of the stink when I was there. Never had to do that here.

And for the longest time as a former CM I too used to pick up trash but even at DL there came a point where there's too much sometimes.
 
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Californian Elitist

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Back home in California. I will finish up my thoughts and get to your comments tomorrow (today). Thank you all for your input!

On the ferry ride to the parking lot, we looked back and saw this fabulous view. This crappy photo from my old, crappy iPhone doesn’t do it justice. It is beyond beautiful in person. And let me say that the sunset throughout the park was also beautiful.

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One of the sunset photos I took:

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PiratesMansion

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Back home in California. I will finish up my thoughts and get to your comments tomorrow (today). Thank you all for your input!

On the ferry ride to the parking lot, we looked back and saw this fabulous view. This crappy photo from my old, crappy iPhone doesn’t do it justice. It is beyond beautiful in person. And let me say that the sunset throughout the park was also beautiful.

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One of the sunset photos I took:

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As much as the parking situation at MK is awful, the beautiful views of the park from the ferry almost makes it worth it.

Almost.
 

Disone

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As much as the parking situation at MK is awful, the beautiful views of the park from the ferry almost makes it worth it.

Almost.
Agreed. In fact, coming to the magic Kingdom in the morning for a first time visitor can build a whole lot of anticipation.

@raven24 thank you for this documentation. It's been a while since I've enjoyed a thread as much as I've enjoyed this one. And to everybody who participated in it, what a great friendly conversation!!!!

I grew up Disneyland. When I experienced the magic Kingdom for the first time I was woefully disappointed, though I loved Walt Disney World. dating myself here.... Epcot was impressive as was River country and at the time the Disney Village (later to become DTD and then evolve to DS).

It took me a long time to love the Magic Kingdom, but today I genuinely do. The Magic Kingdom is grand and majestic. You walk into its magical gates and it boldly says "WELCOME to the most MAGICAL place on EARTH!!!"

Disneyland on the other hand, has a softer approach. Instead of grand and majestic, it's a little bit more of warm and welcoming. It invites you in, puts its arms around your shoulder and then softly says, "Welcome, I'm so glad you're here in this most happiest place on earth".

Disneyland feels a bit more personal, and definitely a bit more Walt. So while I've come to absolutely love the magic kingdom, I still prefer a Disneyland.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
The water I had yesterday literally tasted like someone farted into the water cooler. I was appalled.

I don’t know how you did it! I’ll have to remember Gaston’s if I go a second time. Thank you.

It's strange, but having a sip from a drinking fountain in MK and tasting that sulphuric water gives me an odd feeling of "home", so to speak. I have to at least once per trip. That taste/smell is probably tied to so many memories of the place from decades past, of better/simpler times in the parks.
 

Stevek

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Back home in California. I will finish up my thoughts and get to your comments tomorrow (today). Thank you all for your input!

On the ferry ride to the parking lot, we looked back and saw this fabulous view. This crappy photo from my old, crappy iPhone doesn’t do it justice. It is beyond beautiful in person. And let me say that the sunset throughout the park was also beautiful.

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One of the sunset photos I took:

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We've taken a couple of the different boats at the MK, both for transportation and just for fun. They really are incredibly relaxing.
 

VJ

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Parking: The entrance parking lot CM was amazing. I told her we were from California and I think she heard my friend and I compare the parking fees to Disneyland’s (general parking at MK is $25, preferred is $50 (!) and Disneyland’s is $35). I asked for general parking and not only did she give us preferred, but I checked my bank account after we left and realized she didn’t charge me at all. Amazing service! I wish I had gotten her name, as I would have given her a compliment at City Hall.
now that you mentioned her magical moment to you, her employment is probably not long for this world, especially a loss of $50
 

TrainsOfDisney

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now that you mentioned her magical moment to you, her employment is probably not long for this world, especially a loss of $50
As much as Disney has gotten very money hungry, I do believe they still give frontline CM’s the ability to give out “magical moments” like this.

Over the years I’ve gotten free desserts, free bottles of water, free coffees, etc. Even a free Starbucks once! “This one is on me!”
 

VJ

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As much as Disney has gotten very money hungry, I do believe they still give frontline CM’s the ability to give out “magical moments” like this.

Over the years I’ve gotten free desserts, free bottles of water, free coffees, etc. Even a free Starbucks once! “This one is on me!”
i hope so
 

Californian Elitist

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Magic Kingdom Overall, From the Perspective of a Staunch and Sometimes Purist Disneyland Fan:

Overall, I had a good time at MK. It was nice to be in a Disney park again, and I fulfilled a childhood dream of mine. My friend and I used to have Disneyland passes and would go to the parks all the time in college. We haven’t don’t that in many years, and it was so good to get together again to have some fun time at Disney.

Now, to get into the meat of things… I asked my friend how she felt about MK so far when we were at the park, and she replied with “I don’t know, something’s missing.” I nodded in agreement. To be very honest, MK felt like an impostor to me, personally. My friend described it as “a poor imitation” that doesn’t quite get it right. We spoke more about it and my friend mentioned that it’s likely due to the fact that we grew up on Disneyland and therefore we are more used to our western home. While I think that definitely has something to do with it, I’m not sure I 100% agree with that yet. I think I’d have to visit some of the other castle parks around the world to see if that “feeling” I get when I walk through Disneyland’s tunnels onto Main Street is missing there, too.

I can’t speak for my friend, but for me, that missing part mostly stems from the absence of Walt Disney’s touch. I’ve mentioned this before, but I’m not a theme park fan, nor a Disney theme park fan. I’m a Walt Disney fan/Disneyland fan; my love of Disneyland comes from my love of Walt Disney and Disneyland’s unique, wonderful history. From the get-go, I knew that I would not love MK. I don’t even love DCA lol. I don’t think I can love any other Disney park. I grew up watching old Walt Disney-era shows, including re-runs of Disneyland, Dateline Disneyland, and other Disneyland specials from the park’s early years. I distinctly remember being a little girl and staring at the iconic photo of Walt Disney walking through Sleeping Beauty Castle during the park’s construction many times.

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I had watched the opening day broadcast so many times that I not only had the opening speech memorized, but I could quote Art Linkletter and other moments from the program before I hit age 10. This is why I strongly believe I could never love another Disney park, at least not a castle park. It’s possible that I could love another park, but it would never be on the same level.

You can probably understand why MK felt like an impostor to me. The park itself is an imitation of Disneyland, as are the other castle parks, so of course it would feel like that. But this kind of annoyed me at times. For example, the Partners statue… It arguably doesn’t belong in Disneyland either, albeit for different reasons, but it felt so out of place to me in MK. I passed by it and thought to myself, you shouldn’t be here. I couldn’t help but notice that the park has a tough time distinguishing itself from Disneyland sometimes. It was obvious to me that it was grasping at things, grasping at any connection to Walt Disney, even if they have to make something up. @TP2000 has brought this up many times, but it’s really something when you see it for yourself. I already mentioned this, but Cosmic Ray’s has two menu items called “Walt’s chili cheese fries” and “Walt’s chili cheese dog,” clearly made up from I don’t know where. That woman’s shirt with a quote from Walt’s opening day speech for Disneyland with MK in the background really, really irritated me. Genuinely. That was even worse than the fictional Walt Disney food. Are these big deals for most? No, and I’m sure I sound annoying, but that’s how I feel.

MK is very grand. Everything is bigger, from the buildings on Main Street, to the castle. Many of the queues are elaborate and are also very grand at times. It definitely wows. However, while there is grandiosity, there is also a lack of substance. Main Street is a perfect example. It’s nearly all shops. There is no actual cinema, no magic shop. Pirates has a detailed queue, but the ride experience itself is mediocre, as another example. I didn’t notice small details in the park, small details that are rife in DL. There’s so much emphasis on size and initial impressions to the eye and not enough on substance. MK lacks heart. The castle mural was one of the very few times where I felt like I wasn’t being led into something that looked great, but turned out to be pretty much nothing. Admiring the mural gave me more joy than seeing the actual castle for the first time. There was something very humbling about the mural, and it reminded me of DL. Even the stunning view of MK from the ferry boat is another great example. I was amazed when I saw and admired the view, but I had no deep desire to return to MK and do it all over again. In fact, we felt ourselves longing for Disneyland and are now planning a visit there for the end of the year.

Getting to WDW as a whole and if I would return again… Speaking specifically about MK, I would return again, under certain circumstances. In saying that, I don’t have to return again. Regarding the other parks, I have zero interest in DHS, but I am open to visiting AK and EPCOT, but only if I’m already going to be in the area, out of convenience. I have no desire to plan a trip to Florida to specifically and only go to WDW. Ten years ago, definitely. But as I’ve matured and gotten older, I’ve developed other interests, like travel, especially international travel (this includes DL…haven’t been an AP for years and don’t go anywhere near as much as I used to). I’d much rather spend my money on things outside of theme parks. Same goes for the international Disney parks. While I wouldn’t turn down a visit, I would never plan trips to France, Japan, and China/Hong Kong to specifically and only go to the Disney theme parks there. I would only go if I’m already going to be in the area, and I’d only spend a day there. I’m hoping yo get to France soon, and so far, I have no plans for DLP. If I stay longer than a week, I may consider it for a day, but that’s it. I want to do too many other things that would be priority over a theme park, even a Disney one.

Thank you again for your input, everyone! My friend and I had a good time and were very happy that we went. I look forward to continuing the discussion. If more thoughts come to mind, I’ll be sure to post.
 

Castle Cake Apologist

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Great report! Thanks for sharing ❤️❤️

Regarding the "Magic Shop," that space housed an actual magic shop until 1995, when it was absorbed into the Emporium as the Main Street Athletic Club. Up until recently, the sign outside reflected this and had the proper name of the current store. For some reason in 2017, Disney randomly restored the original Magic Shop signage and added new magic-themed window displays, but didn't change a single thing inside.

Edit: Here's an article from when the sign was randomly changed back: https://www.wdwmagic.com/shopping/e...store-front-returns-to-main-street-u.s.a..htm
 

TP2000

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Magic Kingdom Overall, From the Perspective of a Staunch and Sometimes Purist Disneyland Fan:

Overall, I had a good time at MK. It was nice to be in a Disney park again, and I fulfilled a childhood dream of mine. My friend and I used to have Disneyland passes and would go to the parks all the time in college. We haven’t don’t that in many years, and it was so good to get together again to have some fun time at Disney.

Now, to get into the meat of things… I asked my friend how she felt about MK so far when we were at the park, and she replied with “I don’t know, something’s missing.” I nodded in agreement. To be very honest, MK felt like an impostor to me, personally. My friend described it as “a poor imitation” that doesn’t quite get it right. We spoke more about it and my friend mentioned that it’s likely due to the fact that we grew up on Disneyland and therefore we are more used to our western home. While I think that definitely has something to do with it, I’m not sure I 100% agree with that yet. I think I’d have to visit some of the other castle parks around the world to see if that “feeling” I get when I walk through Disneyland’s tunnels onto Main Street is missing there, too.

I can’t speak for my friend, but for me, that missing part mostly stems from the absence of Walt Disney’s touch. I’ve mentioned this before, but I’m not a theme park fan, nor a Disney theme park fan. I’m a Walt Disney fan/Disneyland fan; my love of Disneyland comes from my love of Walt Disney and Disneyland’s unique, wonderful history. From the get-go, I knew that I would not love MK. I don’t even love DCA lol. I don’t think I can love any other Disney park. I grew up watching old Walt Disney-era shows, including re-runs of Disneyland, Dateline Disneyland, and other Disneyland specials from the park’s early years. I distinctly remember being a little girl and staring at the iconic photo of Walt Disney walking through Sleeping Beauty Castle during the park’s construction many times.

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I had watched the opening day broadcast so many times that I not only had the opening speech memorized, but I could quote Art Linkletter and other moments from the program before I hit age 10. This is why I strongly believe I could never love another Disney park, at least not a castle park. It’s possible that I could love another park, but it would never be on the same level.

You can probably understand why MK felt like an impostor to me. The park itself is an imitation of Disneyland, as are the other castle parks, so of course it would feel like that. But this kind of annoyed me at times. For example, the Partners statue… It arguably doesn’t belong in Disneyland either, albeit for different reasons, but it felt so out of place to me in MK. I passed by it and thought to myself, you shouldn’t be here. I couldn’t help but notice that the park has a tough time distinguishing itself from Disneyland sometimes. It was obvious to me that it was grasping at things, grasping at any connection to Walt Disney, even if they have to make something up. @TP2000 has brought this up many times, but it’s really something when you see it for yourself. I already mentioned this, but Cosmic Ray’s has two menu items called “Walt’s chili cheese fries” and “Walt’s chili cheese dog,” clearly made up from I don’t know where. That woman’s shirt with a quote from Walt’s opening day speech for Disneyland with MK in the background really, really irritated me. Genuinely. That was even worse than the fictional Walt Disney food. Are these big deals for most? No, and I’m sure I sound annoying, but that’s how I feel.

MK is very grand. Everything is bigger, from the buildings on Main Street, to the castle. Many of the queues are elaborate and are also very grand at times. It definitely wows. However, while there is grandiosity, there is also a lack of substance. Main Street is a perfect example. It’s nearly all shops. There is no actual cinema, no magic shop. Pirates has a detailed queue, but the ride experience itself is mediocre, as another example. I didn’t notice small details in the park, small details that are rife in DL. There’s so much emphasis on size and initial impressions to the eye and not enough on substance. MK lacks heart. The castle mural was one of the very few times where I felt like I wasn’t being led into something that looked great, but turned out to be pretty much nothing. Admiring the mural gave me more joy than seeing the actual castle for the first time. There was something very humbling about the mural, and it reminded me of DL. Even the stunning view of MK from the ferry boat is another great example. I was amazed when I saw and admired the view, but I had no deep desire to return to MK and do it all over again. In fact, we felt ourselves longing for Disneyland and are now planning a visit there for the end of the year.

Getting to WDW as a whole and if I would return again… Speaking specifically about MK, I would return again, under certain circumstances. In saying that, I don’t have to return again. Regarding the other parks, I have zero interest in DHS, but I am open to visiting AK and EPCOT, but only if I’m already going to be in the area, out of convenience. I have no desire to plan a trip to Florida to specifically and only go to WDW. Ten years ago, definitely. But as I’ve matured and gotten older, I’ve developed other interests, like travel, especially international travel (this includes DL…haven’t been an AP for years and don’t go anywhere near as much as I used to). I’d much rather spend my money on things outside of theme parks. Same goes for the international Disney parks. While I wouldn’t turn down a visit, I would never plan trips to France, Japan, and China/Hong Kong to specifically and only go to the Disney theme parks there. I would only go if I’m already going to be in the area, and I’d only spend a day there. I’m hoping yo get to France soon, and so far, I have no plans for DLP. If I stay longer than a week, I may consider it for a day, but that’s it. I want to do too many other things that would be priority over a theme park, even a Disney one.

Thank you again for your input, everyone! My friend and I had a good time and were very happy that we went. I look forward to continuing the discussion. If more thoughts come to mind, I’ll be sure to post.

I love that! I agree strongly with all of your assesments of Magic Kingdom Park, and WDW as a whole.

The desperate attempt to connect Walt to the place for clueless rubes is just embarassing, but then you have to remember that even their senior management out there is too uninformed to know that they should be embarassed about it. Much less how sloppy and haphazard they apply it. They simply are ignorant, so what can one do but pity them for their ignorance?

Which all brings me back to Tokyo Disneyland. It has the same odd aesthetic and post-Walt vibe as Magic Kingdom. But they don't try to lie about it, they just own it and operate the heck out of the place in a way that would make Walt burst with pride. Tokyo's clearly superior customer service skills of the beautifully groomed CM's, Tokyo's clearly superior maintenance and cleanliness of facilities old and new, and Tokyo's clearly superior re-investment and expansion of their Castle park makes it everything WDW's Magic Kingdom should be but never will be.

A couple days at Tokyo Disneyland every few years is now a perfect replacement for a WDW visit for me since Epcot is such a mess. Depending on how the Epcot redo turns out, I can easily picture never returning to WDW again in my lifetime. WDW is just... done. And Walt would be mad about that, even if the chili dogs were free! :mad:
 

TrainsOfDisney

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As someone who grew up visiting WDW, I agree as well. Once I spent enough time at Disneyland I realized how “fake” the MK is.

I really like the larger scale of the MK, especially the hub that really separates the different lands. But then everything falls apart. It’s sort of like the problem with Galaxies Edge. The scale of the place is huge and impressive. But then there is nothing to really explore or find because everything is just open space or a large facade.

At Disneyland there is something new and fun around every corner, because they have to use all the space. At WDW they just have lots of open space.
 

Californian Elitist

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Original Poster
I love that! I agree strongly with all of your assesments of Magic Kingdom Park, and WDW as a whole.

The desperate attempt to connect Walt to the place for clueless rubes is just embarassing, but then you have to remember that even their senior management out there is too uninformed to know that they should be embarassed about it. Much less how sloppy and haphazard they apply it. They simply are ignorant, so what can one do but pity them for their ignorance?

Which all brings me back to Tokyo Disneyland. It has the same odd aesthetic and post-Walt vibe as Magic Kingdom. But they don't try to lie about it, they just own it and operate the heck out of the place in a way that would make Walt burst with pride. Tokyo's clearly superior customer service skills of the beautifully groomed CM's, Tokyo's clearly superior maintenance and cleanliness of facilities old and new, and Tokyo's clearly superior re-investment and expansion of their Castle park makes it everything WDW's Magic Kingdom should be but never will be.

A couple days at Tokyo Disneyland every few years is now a perfect replacement for a WDW visit for me since Epcot is such a mess. Depending on how the Epcot redo turns out, I can easily picture never returning to WDW again in my lifetime. WDW is just... done. And Walt would be mad about that, even if the chili dogs were free! :mad:
I honestly think if MK tried harder to distinguish itself from DL, I would have enjoyed it more. As you stated, the desperate attempt to connect Walt is not only embarrassing, but weird, too. And fans wonder why WDW management doesn’t tap into nostalgia and their history. They don’t seem to want to. They’d rather just make up some stuff. It’s weird.
 

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