Fire at FoLK at AK?

[Goofnut1980]

I think they will need to raise ticket prices to make sure they can keep the parks maintained.

 

[ssreward]

When dealing with large numbers of guests in confined spaces such as this things have to be handled very carefully to avoid chaos. In most cases you won't ever hear an alarm even if one is going off. And they generally will not pull a fire alarm. The fire department would be notified and in most cases would already be aware due to automated monitoring systems and the cast will follow established and trained procedures for an orderly evacuation.

Exactly! The crush/panic danger is a bigger killer than the event that triggers it 99.9% of the time

 

[Gabe1]

That fire started 30+ mins before anyone went down the street to turn in the alarm (wasn't one at the school or smoke detectors), firefighters went to the wrong address first & there were no fire escapes - it's not really a matter of "it all happened so fast" being the cause of the tragedy! And in fact, is WHY it became standard for alarms, at least in schools to transmit automatically as mentioned above.

Exactly! Out of Tragedy came new standards. I've never not heard a fire alarm or seen the bright flashes of light that go with them now for the hearing impaired.

 

[Gabe1]

Exactly! The crush/panic danger is a bigger killer than the event that triggers it 99.9% of the time

Source?

 

[peter11435]

Exactly! Out of Tragedy came new standards. I've never not heard a fire alarm or seen the bright flashes of light that go with them now for the hearing impaired.

Most Disney attractions are equipped with silent alarms that alert the fire department and the cast but allow for an orderly and safe evacuation of the guests.

 

[ssreward]

Source?

Thought 99.9 was a pretty obvious generalization but Lakeview school, Iroquois theater, Coconut Grove, Beverly Hills supper club & the Station fires plus E2 nightclub panic are good starting points for research.

 

[ssreward]

Most Disney attractions are equipped with silent alarms that alert the fire department and the cast but allow for an orderly and safe evacuation of the guests.

And of all the people in the world, Disney is expert in crowd-management so their theaters are probably the safest any of us will ever visit!

 

[Gabe1]

Thought 99.9 was a pretty obvious generalization but Lakeview school, Iroquois theater, Coconut Grove, Beverly Hills supper club & the Station fires plus E2 nightclub panic are good starting points for research.

And there is the problem with Statistics. People put them out there, present them as fact and like this when a source is asked for there isn't one, just a made up "generalization" in a veiled attempt to make a post appear credible.

Still there are orderly responses to fire alarms. My DS high school had a pipe bomb go off and the fire alarm went off. Slightly over 1800 students responding to a fire alarm pulled by the young man that also started the fire. There wasn't mass hysteria. The Twin Towers has been documented as an orderly evacuation. The Beach Clubs fire alarms went off in certain sections and it was an orderly evacuation and then the fire at Animal Kingdom Lodge. Alarms and evacuation were also orderly. I am hearing impaired and I can hear the alarms but if I couldn't hear it I could certainly see all the flashing fire alarm lights.


Certainly there are disasters from panic. E2 I understand the panic when the emergency exits were chained locked. I doubt Disney is going to chain lock the Lion King theater doors but if they did then I'd understand panic. I'm watching the FoLK 2 videos, I'm not seeing the hysteria others are seeing. I'm watching one on Orlando Sentinel and you can hear one family leaving and a nervous laugh, another young girl skipping to the exit. On a whole it looks like the guests overwhelmingly are exiting properly. I have not seen any indication or further media reports of guests being trampled or hurt while leaving the theater. More the evacuation hysteria being embellished on websites over the last few days by fans than Disney, News report or Fire Officials.

 

[mm52200]

But you pull the fire alarm and evacuate them and the Fire Department the people who should be making the call to continue the show or not would be summoned immediately. Fire Alarm boxes are put into buildings for a reason.

How do you not know that they were literally about to make the announcement, or maybe they were going to be able to safely move the float outside so the guests wouldn't have to walk or run by the float on fire. Ever think about that? Disney was most likely about to safely and quickly evacuate guests. So guests with disabilities wouldn't be trampled over, or so mass hysteria wouldn't have happened. If it had been a major fire I'm sure fire alarms would have been pulled. But if it was a fire contained to the float, and could have been easily put out without causing mass hysteria and Disney could have safely and quickly evacuated the guests, there would have been no reason to cause mass hysteria by pulling a fire alarm or literally yelling fire in a theater.

 

[Gabe1]

Most Disney attractions are equipped with silent alarms that alert the fire department and the cast but allow for an orderly and safe evacuation of the guests.

Are you sure of this? All materials I've been given for hearing disabilities have been the blast fire alarm sound and the flashing strobe light. Maybe the fire codes have changed this year that I am not aware of. I thought this was ADA Law for those us with Disabilities know by sight or by sound what is happening. Even the Disney Cruise Ship had similar are those gone too?

 

[Gabe1]

How do you not know that they were literally about to make the announcement, or maybe they were going to be able to safely move the float outside so the guests wouldn't have to walk or run by the float on fire. Ever think about that? Disney was most likely about to safely and quickly evacuate guests. So guests with disabilities wouldn't be trampled over, or so mass hysteria wouldn't have happened. If it had been a major fire I'm sure fire alarms would have been pulled. But if it was a fire contained to the float, and could have been easily put out without causing mass hysteria and Disney could have safely and quickly evacuated the guests, there would have been no reason to cause mass hysteria by pulling a fire alarm or literally yelling fire in a theater.

I'm not seeing any examples of mass hysteria at Disney during any emergencies. Yes a guest yelled fire but still no hysteria. I've been at Disney World twice during fires at the Magic Kingdom again no mass hysteria. I am hard pressed to believe our country is loaded with hysterical people who cannot react to a fire alarm responsibly. I am hearing impaired so I have a disability and I don't fear guests trampling me but the strobe light would tell me exactly what was happening, to me knowledge lets you react properly because I doubt an ASL interpreter is going to find me during a fire.

 

[Cesar R M]

I'm not complaining whatsoever. However, based on the monkeys seeing the smoke, the smoke was noticeable enough to be out of the ordinary before Timon's song began. All I was suggesting was that at that point, they should have stopped the show. No need to be sarcastic, just offering what I though a better course of action would have been. As I said, I wasn't there, I'm only going off of what's been reported here and what I saw in the video.

perhaps the excess of smoke has happened before but never evolved into something THAT bad?
Hence why at first they were thinking everything was "ok" until the "blinds"(that separate the theather from the storage tunnels) were open.
And then the lights went on and CMs were moving to the smoke..
That happened REALLY fast.

I'm not seeing any examples of mass hysteria at Disney during any emergencies. Yes a guest yelled fire but still no hysteria. I've been at Disney World twice during fires at the Magic Kingdom again no mass hysteria. I am hard pressed to believe our country is loaded with hysterical people who cannot react to a fire alarm responsibly. I am hearing impaired so I have a disability and I don't fear guests trampling me but the strobe light would tell me exactly what was happening, to me knowledge lets you react properly because I doubt an ASL interpreter is going to find me during a fire.

I dunno, some people started to try to leave the area at all costs. If everyone had tried that at once, pushing and accidents might have happened.

 

[GhostHost1000]

I hear they may begin charging for an animal kingdom special event where if you pay $69pp you get special access to a nearby fire exit at many popular attractions. Only for 3 hours though.

 

[ssreward]

I'm not seeing any examples of mass hysteria at Disney during any emergencies. Yes a guest yelled fire but still no hysteria. I've been at Disney World twice during fires at the Magic Kingdom again no mass hysteria. I am hard pressed to believe our country is loaded with hysterical people who cannot react to a fire alarm responsibly. I am hearing impaired so I have a disability and I don't fear guests trampling me but the strobe light would tell me exactly what was happening, to me knowledge lets you react properly because I doubt an ASL interpreter is going to find me during a fire.

Not sure why you'd be hard-pressed to beleive - the video here bears it out well...no alarm, no announcement to leave, no danger at all!! But some of those folks were up and out like a little smoke was mustard gas. And isn't yelling fire in a crowded area pretty well known as one of the least responsible things possible? It was obviously under control and not a big deal but even that didn't keep some of the crowd from panic so it should be easy to imagine how bad it can be when there's a real danger!

I hear they may begin charging for an animal kingdom special event where if you pay $69pp you get special access to a nearby fire exit at many popular attractions. Only for 3 hours though.

Put an ashtray outside said exit and I might even pay it after the way AK has made it an actual safari trek to get to a smoking area, lol!!

 

[COProgressFan]

And of all the people in the world, Disney is expert in crowd-management so their theaters are probably the safest any of us will ever visit!

Wait, is that sarcasm? I honestly can't tell.

 

[Gabe1]

Not sure why you'd be hard-pressed to beleive - the video here bears it out well...no alarm, no announcement to leave, no danger at all!! But some of those folks were up and out like a little smoke was mustard gas. And isn't yelling fire in a crowded area pretty well known as one of the least responsible things possible? It was obviously under control and not a big deal but even that didn't keep some of the crowd from panic so it should be easy to imagine how bad it can be when there's a real danger!

Put an ashtray outside said exit and I might even pay it after the way AK has made it an actual safari trek to get to a smoking area, lol!!

The Fire Officials confirmed there was a fire. If you choose not to believe them that is a personal call. The man who yelled fire was seated next to the fire float. He was carrying a young child. Me, if a float has a fire, my DD or DS is next to that float my good judgement says get the heck out despite the indifference of cast members in the moment to keep guests advised. I concede that each of us have a different trust factor in Disney when it comes to our families lives during a fire. Mine would be get the heck out and if I am wrong I erred on the side of caution vs tragedy. But that is just me and how I value my family with a float that that has a confirmed fire in a theater. That father did not have the info we have now when he made the decision or the other guests that departed. Fire is not a casual thing in a theater small or large.