Finally! (Wrestling related)

Legacy

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Hey Spider-Man... do you maybe think the original NWO invasion was set up by both companies? I remember thinking that then and then when I saw everything that was happening with WCW and WWF then I thought it couldn't be possible. Now that I look at things... all the cross-promotion jumps, etc. I think it is quite possible. Especially how big WCW played the Owen Hart thing, and they never stooped to what I would if the competition was that serious, which is 'At least we don't kill our wrestlers'.

And in regards to the Bishoff thing... Bichoff is a smart man. Titan Entertainment owns a monopoly on wrestling. That is where the money is. He wants his money, and signing with WWE gets him that money...
 

WDWspider

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Originally posted by Kicker
Hey Spider-Man... do you maybe think the original NWO invasion was set up by both companies? I remember thinking that then and then when I saw everything that was happening with WCW and WWF then I thought it couldn't be possible. Now that I look at things... all the cross-promotion jumps, etc. I think it is quite possible. Especially how big WCW played the Owen Hart thing, and they never stooped to what I would if the competition was that serious, which is 'At least we don't kill our wrestlers'.

And in regards to the Bishoff thing... Bichoff is a smart man. Titan Entertainment owns a monopoly on wrestling. That is where the money is. He wants his money, and signing with WWE gets him that money...

That is the hard fact with Paul Hayman too, he is a smart man, not as smart as the other two.. but to get a no name organization to the point he did was quite a feat, still he had to go straight to WWE in the end. Just look at the true acting skills of the Big Boys in making you believe one way or the other. Vince is real good at this, he slowly slides in and out of personas so suttly that you don't even know he has at times. Bischoff is a straight forward appearance kinda guy, but that's his front. It's not a Bush teams with Saddam situation, more of a HP and Compaq situation. It's Business.

The NWO is a very interesting idea... hmmmm. And a lot of former WWF stars were involved.... I don't know what I think on that. I think at that point they truly were two seperate companies, but if any under the table negotiating and infiltration was going on, I'll just say it's a neat idea.

I think WCW was bought or very close to being bought when the new WCW was advertised so heavily with all the young bloods. Very close to that time the Radicals were introduced. I really feel that if WWE felt that WCW could have continued as a seperate show they would have stayed that route, but I like the way they are going with the intergrated WWE RAW and Smackdown much better just as this post first referenced.

Mind you all of this is just speculation, I was merely suggesting that WWE is a master of disguise, there may be lots more just beneath the appearance than what they let or want you to hear. But I love it all the same. This is were the story writers and audience manipulation factors come into play. How else can you explain why an audience just automatically starts saying What! to anyone they dispise or don't want to listen to. Heh, how does the audience get to the point of hating someone... look at the Anti-Americans right now. It's one big mind game. Heck, look at the Beauty and the Beast show at MGM, they get you cheering for a supposed Prop Man... next thing you know you've been suckered into the show without realizing it. :animwink:
 

Legacy

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Originally Posted By spider-man-
Heck, look at the Beauty and the Beast show at MGM, they get you cheering for a supposed Prop Man... next thing you know you've been suckered into the show without realizing it.
Four 4 A Doller ROCKS :lol:

Anyhoo, I thought that whole 'What?' thing was the gayest thing in the world. I just didn't see the point in it. It was funny the first time, then they killed it.

And I have to agree with your comment about it being amazing that people can get so wrapped up in this. I use to be that way... before I helped an indy show happen and has a reward they taught me how to 'get the living crap beaten out of me'. Now I just watch it to see how the writers are doing. I do wish that they would do more matches. I remember when storylines would happen in the ring and promos wouldn't be needed. I want those. The Raw vs. SmackDown is GENIUS. Bravo, but I wish it would be a more physical confrontation. I want the wrestlers to DO something rather then these ambushes with just Bischoff and the Island Boys and Stephanie with Billy & Chuck. Get the rest of the locker room involved......

And can someone explain why we have a World Title Belt AND the Undistputed Belt? Why can't we just have one thing?
 

MerHearted

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The original nWo angle was not a collaborative effort by both companies. It was Bischoff raiding WWF talent out from under Vince McMahon. The nWo was Bischoff's version of the WWF. It was his way of pitting WWF vs WCW without using the initials. He had gotten the idea from Japan. I would find it hard to believe that Vince would just send his stars over to another company, so that they could create the biggest angle ever and send him to near bankruptcy.

Though, to this day, there are some who still feel that Survivor Series 97 was a work, a scripted event. The evidence they give is that from the incident, Vince became a heel and used his character to propel the WWF back to the top. Bret could have been in on it, since it was a way for him to leave the company as a hero, and not with the "sellout" label that was put on him. It's an interesting theory, but with the way those two are today, I doubt the incident was scripted. Though some, even some wrestlers like Lance Storm, still think it's a work.

I honestly do not think the WWF owned WCW back in early 2000. For one thing, not even the notion of that has been expressed by any of the people in the industry, not the promoters, not the writers, not the wrestlers, and especially not even the journalists, who report the slightest notion of anything, accurate or not. The stuff that happened in 2000 was just a complete mess. Vince Russo's WCW was in complete disarray with injuries to Bret Hart and Jeff Jarrett. The plan he had been working on since his arrival in October 99 was in pieces. Without the two main wreslers in his Souled Out ppv in January, he was forced to throw things together. As a shocking twist, he planned on having Tank Abbott win the World title. When Kevin Sullivan and co. got word of this, they convinced Bill Busch, who originally brought in Russo to replace Bischoff, that Russo was crazy and to remove him from power. The wrestlers objected to that and that's why the Radicalz left. After realizing that Kevin Sullivan was putting WCW down the toilet, WCW officials agreed to bring in Vince Russo and Eric Bischoff together in hopes that a joint effort by the two would send the company back up. But Vince Russo's controversial ways, especially the Bash at the Beach incident with Hulk Hogan, drove Bischoff away after a few months. Russo received more and more criticism as the weeks passed and after receiving a concussion, he quit and left WCW in even further chaos. Terry Taylor and Johnny Ace tried to mend WCW but it was simply too weak and Time Warner wanted it gone. The WWF really had nothing to do with it, it was the hierarchy of the company and the backstage politics that brought WCW down that year. If you remember, the 2nd to last Nitro occured under the impression that Eric Bischoff and Fusient had bought the company. Bischoff came on the show to announce the next week would be the "season finale" of Nitro. With Nitro off the air, he planned on spending the time after on securing a television deal and working on way to fix the mess that WCW was in. But days later. the Fusient deal fell through and the WWF took the chance to buy WCW, they quickly reworked the final Nitro, incorporating it into the current Shane vs. Vince storyline.

There is no Undisputed Champion anymore. It's split into the two titles that Jericho won at Vengeance last year. I think it was done to add more separation to the two shows. Eventually, I think the two shows will become completely separate promotions. There's also a lot of evidence for WWE Raw gradually turning into WCW Nitro. Notice the new position of the announce team, the return of the WCW title belt, and of course, Eric Bischoff "in charge". I think the WWE wants another crack at WWF vs. WCW. This time, they probably hope to do it slowly and right, unlike the mess that it was last time.
 

WDWspider

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OK I must admit, I have not turned Wrestling on as of lately, so I decided to watch last night... :lookaroun What the heck was that all about. A Dummy in a coffin, and a guy wearing triple H masks having items surgically removed from his um, rear end. OK What is going on????:veryconfu

And the way they talked about burnt wienners, they might as well not even try to cover up what they were talking about. Oh boy, they have really hit some new lows I think. I remember when Mae Young had that hand in her from Mark Henry, I thought that was bad... :brick:
 

MobileBadBoy

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Ture or not, Kane was supposedly in a car wreck many years ago and had a girl (Katie Vick) driving with him. She apparently died in the wreck. HHH brought all this out into public and then started rumoring that Kane slept with her after she was dead. This was all done to razz Kane before they had the title match.

Well afterwards, HHH claimed to have a tape of Kane going into the funeral home and getting it on with Katie after she was dead. Well as obvious as it was, it was HHH in the video going through all this long drawn out skit.

At the end of the show, they threw HHH in the trunk of a car and Kane drove off. (I saw the trunk lid open when he was leaving, I thought something was up). Well last night it turned out HHH "got away and nothing happened to him." Apparently he used the little child-safety latch to get out first. That's where Kane/Cane had "their video" to disprove he didn't "get away."

I explained that quick but it's 7:30 am and I've been up for a day or so, so I'm not sure if I made sense as it is. If someone else wants to explain it better if that didn't make sense, feel free.
 

WDWspider

New Member
Originally posted by MerHearted
One word that can never be used in wrestling.. is well, "never". Bischoff appearing on Raw cemented that. So I think Hogan will be back in some time. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if Austin returns.

Dang Vince. I didn't know you that well back when I posted to you in these threads, but boy do I owe you an apology.

Never say Never.

:lol:

Most likely Austin IS returning... Walt Disney is under the Castle, and Hell has opened a Ski Resort. :hammer:
 

MerHearted

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Originally posted by spider-man
Dang Vince. I didn't know you that well back when I posted to you in these threads, but boy do I owe you an apology.

Never say Never.

:lol:

Most likely Austin IS returning... Walt Disney is under the Castle, and Hell has opened a Ski Resort. :hammer:

Hehe... like my new avatar? :D
 

WDWFREAK53

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by spider-man
Dang Vince. I didn't know you that well back when I posted to you in these threads, but boy do I owe you an apology.

Never say Never.

:lol:

Most likely Austin IS returning... Walt Disney is under the Castle, and Hell has opened a Ski Resort. :hammer:

Spidey...there are two things that you don't want to doubt Vince on...the Little Mermaid...and Wrestling :)
 

WDWspider

New Member
Originally posted by WDWFREAK53
Spidey...there are two things that you don't want to doubt Vince on...the Little Mermaid...and Wrestling :)

And thus the legacy of Y2A was born by the mouth of Freak himself. :lol:
 

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