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News Extra Extra Magic Hours This Fall

cosmicgirl

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I think the numbers will be somewhere in-between. Your assessment would be for a 'normal' operating day, or for Toy Story Land. I don't know any 65 year old men who dreamed of riding a slinky coaster the way they dreamt about piloting the falcon back in the 70's. How many people would 6am EMH at AK attract for Flight of Passage today? The lines for the original WWoHP openings were likely, so opening early allows those that would have gotten into the end of the line at 7 or 8 are now getting into the park. They might see the line to get into the land, and then enjoy the rest of the park, or retreat to another park. It's going to be very crowded. Likely you've had people move their trips into the summer who wanted to avoid SWGE's opening, and those replacing them are those going for the SWGE opening.

You'll need 5400 people in line to make a 3hr wait, and I think it will very easily get to that. I also think that there will be people coming into the park and land during EEMH and the queue will build from there. Flight of Passage rockets to 180 min waits every morning, and Smuggler's Run will easily do that for a while I understand the huge difference with and without FP+, but it's still people's willingness to tolerate that time. I actually like the FoP queue, and 2hrs is 'not that bad'. I've never done that 2 hrs with my kids though. If the Smuggler's run queue is anything like Flight of Passage's, the 3 hr wait will be a lot more tolerable.

Early on, I might do a crazy early morning on my own, ride Smuggler's Run, wander BSO, and meet my family later either in another part of DHS or another park. When the crowds lessen, we'll do the whole land together and take our time.
I also think the numbers will be inbetween. I think 12k, i.e. 7 hours for off-site guests at opening after EEMH may be pushing it after the first week or two so I used 6k as an example to demonstrate how it could work without having much of an impact on those entering the park at 9am. Essentially, anything over 5400 will carry over to off-site guests.

As for the actual opening day(s) when it's a free for all at 6am, well then all bets are off. Should we do a "when will the first person line up?" bet? My money's on 2pm on the 28th of August.

Their tactic seems to be working btw: I've spotted multiple reports of off-site guests booking one-night stays in Disney resorts to get access at 6am for two days.
 

Tony the Tigger

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Should we do a "when will the first person line up?" bet? My money's on 2pm on the 28th of August.
Along these lines, I think folks are grossly underestimating crowd size/time. This idea of strolling over at 4 or 5am, I don’t think that’s going to get you near the front of the line until October. There will be non-Disney “Star Wars only” fans who sleep outside of theaters when the new movies come out.

Heck, I had folks sleeping outside my store for Record Store Day from 7pm the night before (we opened early at 8am the next day.). That was just to buy records. By 7:30 am, there were well over 100 people in line, and it’s not WDW, and they’re not coming from all over the world.

Unless Disney sets firm rules about what time you can get in line, I think 4:30 in the first week or two still brings quite a wait.
 

LuvWDW2

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The one variable that makes this hard for me to predict is the fact that identical lands are open on both coasts. A true die hard non Disney fan is probably going to DL because it’s first. For a lot of super fans, geography comes into play (which version is easier to get to). For others it’s vacation schedule (DL version will be open all summer while the kids are out).

I’m going Opening Weekend. Our first attempt to see it will be the first EEMH day. I plan on being on the first bus out of CSR, whenever that will be. I have nothing scheduled that day until an 11:15 ADR at the Sci Fi. I’m fully prepared to be in long lines, even that early in the day.
 

Touchdown

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I don’t think the demand will be as high, as Universal found out with HP west coast the second (nearly) identical land will not get as much fanfare. I’m going to DL in June, July (booked after I realized I would only get limited time in SWGE in June) and Oct because I choose there for my AP this year. DHS will still pack in crowds but it won’t be as bad.
 

DISR

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My kids get up early, but I shudder at the idea of trying to get the wife and kids to the park for a 6:00 am rope drop...it would be unique vacation challenge.

Waiting for the announcement of 12 new Starbucks outlets at DHS...they will need them. This will definitely increase in-park breakfast sales.
 

Figaro928

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My family booked a vacation 8/28 - 9/4 thinking that SW wasnt going to be open then. Planning for this vacation is getting more and more intense. my family has little interest in SW, but what do you think the lines will be like in TSL? my kids are obsessed with TSMM.

What impact do you think these new hours (and the opening of SW in general) will have on Epcot and the F&W?
 

StarBurst

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My family booked a vacation 8/28 - 9/4 thinking that SW wasnt going to be open then. Planning for this vacation is getting more and more intense. my family has little interest in SW, but what do you think the lines will be like in TSL? my kids are obsessed with TSMM.

What impact do you think these new hours (and the opening of SW in general) will have on Epcot and the F&W?
i think DHS will have massive crowds all morning,day and night for the 1st few months..
wouldnt surprise me if they had to do park closure at some points during the day
 

DISR

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My family booked a vacation 8/28 - 9/4 thinking that SW wasnt going to be open then. Planning for this vacation is getting more and more intense. my family has little interest in SW, but what do you think the lines will be like in TSL? my kids are obsessed with TSMM.

What impact do you think these new hours (and the opening of SW in general) will have on Epcot and the F&W?
I'd expect spillover throughout the park/parks...either you elect to wait in huge lines and then want to do something else afterwards, or you see the lines and immediately bolt to another area or park. TSL and EPCOT will feel the pain. F&W is already crowded far beyond the normal EPCOT crowds. This will make it worse.
 

Minnie1986

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I hope that people realize what it will be like and do not drag their kids along because 7 hours of queuing when you've been woken up at 4am to get to EMH at 6am is going to cause all sorts of ructions with tired toddlers.
Which will only make it exponentially worse for everyone involved. If my cousin were any younger than he will be during our trip, there is no way I would even think of attempting it.
 

Flynnwriter

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Enough with upcharges! Everyone against this needs to write Bob Iger a thoughtful email. Only the public can change greedy Disney ticketing patterns.
 
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aliceismad

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I don’t think the demand will be as high, as Universal found out with HP west coast the second (nearly) identical land will not get as much fanfare. I’m going to DL in June, July (booked after I realized I would only get limited time in SWGE in June) and Oct because I choose there for my AP this year. DHS will still pack in crowds but it won’t be as bad.
Do you think that's part of why DLR's SW:GE is opening first?

Seems like Disney is being purposeful in trying to split the opening hype. At DLR you've got the "have to be there at opening" crowd plus boatloads of locals, while some will wait for WDW opening just because it's WDW and has many more offerings than DLR.
 

DisneyOutsider

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Along these lines, I think folks are grossly underestimating crowd size/time. This idea of strolling over at 4 or 5am, I don’t think that’s going to get you near the front of the line until October. There will be non-Disney “Star Wars only” fans who sleep outside of theaters when the new movies come out.
I'm going to disagree and say that, other than the opening week, arriving at 4am will get you exactly to the front of the line.

I think that the 'Star Wars impact' is starting to reach a mythical status around here that reality can't possibly measure up to and the pendulum for this discourse is starting to swing sharply towards hyperbole.

Yes it will have a large impact, but I think that if I show up at 4am for opening on the last week in September (my trip date), I will end up feeling silly for having come so early. I could be wrong.. but that's my prediction. There will be plenty of worms for the early birds in September.
 

Dave Ber

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I'm going to disagree and say that, other than the opening week, arriving at 4am will get you exactly to the front of the line.

I think that the 'Star Wars impact' is starting to reach a mythical status around here that reality can't possibly measure up to and the pendulum for this discourse is starting to swing sharply towards hyperbole.

Yes it will have a large impact, but I think that if I show up at 4am for opening on the last week in September (my trip date), I will end up feeling silly for having come so early. I could be wrong.. but that's my prediction. There will be plenty of worms for the early birds in September.
I really hope you are right we will be there mid September, But I would bet BIG that you are wrong
 

DisneyOutsider

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I really hope you are right we will be there mid September, But I would bet BIG that you are wrong
I wouldn't bet a dime on it either way.. as there's no precedent for it.

If I rope drop AK, I expect to be on FoP in less than an hour. If I show up at, let's say 4:30am to DHS in late September, I expect it will be roughly the same.
 
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