Castle Cake Apologist
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Does it help that even Martin has stated exhaustively that Everest doesn't have to be closed to fix the problem?
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Does it help that even Martin has stated exhaustively that Everest doesn't have to be closed to fix the problem?
Yeah, I'm just an old skeptic. I don't follow these boards closely enough to really know who's reliable and who isn't. Maybe I'm very wrong, but it boggles my mind to think that Disney would let this embarrassment continue for the better part of a decade due to budgetary squabbles. To think that the headline moment of a headline attraction is allowed to simply wallow in shame due to bureaucracy is truly insane to me. That's why my logic tends to make me believe that it's a bigger problem. Yup, I could be utterly wrong, but when insanity and utter ineptitude seems to reign free at a world class company, I tend to believe a more logical explanation: The problem is bigger than just a short and easy fix.
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If people were not riding due to it or it was a problem that sent E:E into 101 on a regular basis then I would agree with you.
That however is not the case. E:E runs at pretty much max capacity 24/7/365 regardless of its ground breaking AA being nothing more than a statue for the last decade. There simply is no motivation to fix it especially if doing so requires a department to pick up a 7 figure check they don't want to.
Understood. The problem is that the most reasonable explanation is the correct explanation about 80% of the time. There's always that pesky 20% when that isn't true, and perhaps that's happening here. The problem is that more people would be excited about EE if the yeti actually worked. It's a good ride without it, but it's an amazing ride with it.
It also usually has the far shortest wait time for the headline attractions of any of the parks. Space Mountain, Dwarves Mine Train, Test Track, Soarin', Tower of Terror, and Rock 'n Roller Coaster all have far longer wait times most days. Right now, EE has a wait time of 60 minutes, with Dinosaur having 70 minutes and Pandora 110 and 180 minutes.
Rock 'n Roller is at 95 minutes, with ToT at an unusually short 35 and Midway Mania at an unusually short 55. That's probably due to the construction and the simple fact that Studios is the ugly stepchild until Star Wars and Pixar lands start opening.
At Epcot, Soarin' is 65, and Test Track is 90. At MK, Space Mountan is 110, and Dwarfs is 100.
A fully yetied EE should have huge wait times of 90 minutes or more. People would go to AK just for the Yeti. Attendance would be up, people would stay longer, etc . . . When EE first opened, we stayed until dark and rode the thing 3 times. Now, it's once and done--maybe. Before Pandora, AK was a partial day park. When the yeti worked, it was a full day park for us. Now with Pandora, it'll be a full day park again, but a functioning yeti would have made it a more full day park for us all those years in between.
Anyhow, time will ultimately tell us what's happening.
It also usually has the far shortest wait time for the headline attractions of any of the parks. Space Mountain, Dwarves Mine Train, Test Track, Soarin', Tower of Terror, and Rock 'n Roller Coaster all have far longer wait times most days. Right now, EE has a wait time of 60 minutes, with Dinosaur having 70 minutes and Pandora 110 and 180 minutes.
Rock 'n Roller is at 95 minutes, with ToT at an unusually short 35 and Midway Mania at an unusually short 55. That's probably due to the construction and the simple fact that Studios is the ugly stepchild until Star Wars and Pixar lands start opening.
At Epcot, Soarin' is 65, and Test Track is 90. At MK, Space Mountan is 110, and Dwarfs is 100.
A fully yetied EE should have huge wait times of 90 minutes or more. People would go to AK just for the Yeti. Attendance would be up, people would stay longer, etc . . . When EE first opened, we stayed until dark and rode the thing 3 times. Now, it's once and done--maybe. Before Pandora, AK was a partial day park. When the yeti worked, it was a full day park for us. Now with Pandora, it'll be a full day park again, but a functioning yeti would have made it a more full day park for us all those years in between.
Anyhow, time will ultimately tell us what's happening.
More uber-Disney fans would be excited about it....the remaining 98% of the population has no clue as to what "disco-yeti" is.
Castle Cake Apologist
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One of the biggest issues at this point is that many guests, and even some fans of the parks, simply don't know he used to move. It's been broken far longer than it ever worked, and the average guest doesn't realize that it's supposed to do anything, so Disney has very little incentive to spend the money on it. Most guests are fooled by the fans and strobes.
Although, now that the show lighting has been brought back... who knows. Maybe somebody with access to the show controls is trying to make guests realize that he isn't doing anything, hoping to generate complaints and eventually a fix? Time will tell indeed.
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True, but I don't buy it. IIluminations without the tail is still a great fireworks show, but with the tail it's better. That tail also costs a good chunk of money every night to put on. Because it's there, people make a point to stick around until 9 pm to watch it, and probably pay for expensive food and spend other money in the process.
Similarly, EE with a yeti is an amazing attraction. People would stay at AK longer, eat more in the park, buy merch, and stand in line longer for it. Many would extend their stay or forego Universal. In short, Disney would be better and more profitable if the yeti worked. They spent millions to build and install it. It's a waste if they don't get it working again.
Similarly, EE with a yeti is an amazing attraction. People would stay at AK longer, eat more in the park, buy merch, and stand in line longer for it. Many would extend their stay or forego Universal. In short, Disney would be better and more profitable if the yeti worked. They spent millions to build and install it. It's a waste if they don't get it working again.
I think you overestimate the average Disney guest. Most would not notice, or more importantly, care, if SSE was gutted and became a mindless, themeless rollercoaster.
The idea that a regular tourist would extend or shorten their stay because of a single ride effect, no matter how expensive, that you only see for a few seconds, is way out there. A fair number of guests did not even notice the yeti when it was working.
BasiltheBatLord
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The Yeti coming back online could effect AK attendance a very slight degree, but nowhere near the scope of which you're describing.
IMHO, it was a mistake. They put all of their effects eggs in a single basket which got dropped down a hill, run over by a truck and came to rest on a pile of fresh manure.
Castle Cake Apologist
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Even a lot of fans of the parks are surprised when they find out it used to move. You're projecting the obsessions of members of forums like this onto average guests who don't follow these things like we do. You have to remember that it's been open for 11 years now, and only worked for about 1 of them. The idea that food sales would go up if they fixed the yeti doesn't ring very true to me.
dreamfinder912
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When I commented to a coordinator about my absolute excitement of being able to SEE the Yeti again he candidly told me they're doing it in the hopes of having enough people complain that the Yeti isn't doing anything so it gets fixed. For right now, I'm just so happy to see the giant Yeti again I'm foolish enough to hope they will indeed fix him.
So what I'm reading is that many Disney people want it fixed, but all the finger-pointing has prevented anyone powerful enough to step up and demand payment for the relatively minor repairs that are needed to get it done. Meanwhile, the bean-counters aren't convinced that a working yeti would make any significant difference profit-wise anyway. And Iger, Rohde, Lasseter and the rest either don't care enough to fix it and/or don't have the power to push a simple fix through. Thus Disney's greatest embarrassment languishes in whatever pathetic-mode is on for that day.
Okay, that's possible, but I still have to think that the more reasonable scenario is that it is more than just a simple fix. Call me uninformed, naïve, stupid, stubborn, or whatever, but I'm still left thinking that something bigger than a simple fix is needed. I'm just not yet convinced of that less likely scenario.
AK must bring in at least $3,000,000 per day, or $1,000,000,000 per year. Given that amount of cashflow, I find it hard to believe that sufficient funds to eliminate WDW's biggest embarrassment couldn't be conjured up if indeed the fix was relatively easy and cheap. For example, $10,000,000 should be more than sufficient to pay for a simple fix, which is less than 1% of AK's yearly cashflow. That comparative pittance should pass any executive's or bean-counter's opinion of reasonableness to green light a simple fix. The fact that it hasn't happened indicates to me that something more must be wrong and/or a shutdown would otherwise be needed to implement that simple fix. Again, "Disney is cheap" is too simple of an answer given all the hard and objective facts before us.
Okay, that's possible, but I still have to think that the more reasonable scenario is that it is more than just a simple fix. Call me uninformed, naïve, stupid, stubborn, or whatever, but I'm still left thinking that something bigger than a simple fix is needed. I'm just not yet convinced of that less likely scenario.
AK must bring in at least $3,000,000 per day, or $1,000,000,000 per year. Given that amount of cashflow, I find it hard to believe that sufficient funds to eliminate WDW's biggest embarrassment couldn't be conjured up if indeed the fix was relatively easy and cheap. For example, $10,000,000 should be more than sufficient to pay for a simple fix, which is less than 1% of AK's yearly cashflow. That comparative pittance should pass any executive's or bean-counter's opinion of reasonableness to green light a simple fix. The fact that it hasn't happened indicates to me that something more must be wrong and/or a shutdown would otherwise be needed to implement that simple fix. Again, "Disney is cheap" is too simple of an answer given all the hard and objective facts before us.
I feel all that complaints will do is change him back to disco mode.
Tom Morrow
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Everest has shorter wait times because it has an extremely high capacity at around 2,000 riders per hour, not because it's less popular than those other attractions. Make no mistake - it's the most ridden ride in the park.
Castle Cake Apologist
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Must be quite a fix if it's taken them ten years to think about it.
If what @marni1971 , @Lee , and @RedDad , have reported is wrong actually is wrong, and there is zero evidence to suggest that they are not correct, it is an simple, but expensive fix.
Essentially, they need to remove the yet and install a new one.
That is being complicated not only by who gets the bill, but by new rules regarding moving set pieces over guests heads.
KBLovedDisney
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(Forgive me if this has already been mentioned in this thread...and my luck, it probably has been said multiple times but here I go).
So, I had a theory in regards to the Yeti and his current state: I believe that the company decided that they had better things to work on (let alone pay good money for) such as Pandora.
Didn't Disney do this years ago when working on Test Track at the beginning? They kept Horizons open until Test Track was finished, regardless of the state Horizons was in?...Forgive me if my facts are off, I just see a trend that Disney has been doing for years. They keep a ride open, regardless of the state, just to work on other parts of the park/rides/etc. to keep foot traffic elsewhere
So, I had a theory in regards to the Yeti and his current state: I believe that the company decided that they had better things to work on (let alone pay good money for) such as Pandora.
Didn't Disney do this years ago when working on Test Track at the beginning? They kept Horizons open until Test Track was finished, regardless of the state Horizons was in?...Forgive me if my facts are off, I just see a trend that Disney has been doing for years. They keep a ride open, regardless of the state, just to work on other parts of the park/rides/etc. to keep foot traffic elsewhere
E:E does not need to be shut down for an extended period to replace the Yeti. It has been completely removed on at least one occasion before during third shift.