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Everest's Mountain
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Tom
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Ok, here I go spilling forth my Construction Nerdness!
Disney mountains are made from bent rebar (reinforced steel bars) which are welded into the general frame shape of the mountain. Then they're covered with a wire mesh and sprayed with a material called GUNNITE. It's a spray version of concrete. Then it's trowled smooth where needed and roughed up other places. Then it's painted. No plaster is involved because plaster is not waterproof.
As for IOA, I think the styrofoam you're referring to is part of a system called EIFS (Exterior Insulating Finishing System) where the foam is glued to the building and can be carved into any shape, more smoothly than rock or concrete, and then covered with the finishing mud and painted. You can create the crazy shapes needed for places like toontown and Seuss land.
Disney mountains are made from bent rebar (reinforced steel bars) which are welded into the general frame shape of the mountain. Then they're covered with a wire mesh and sprayed with a material called GUNNITE. It's a spray version of concrete. Then it's trowled smooth where needed and roughed up other places. Then it's painted. No plaster is involved because plaster is not waterproof.
As for IOA, I think the styrofoam you're referring to is part of a system called EIFS (Exterior Insulating Finishing System) where the foam is glued to the building and can be carved into any shape, more smoothly than rock or concrete, and then covered with the finishing mud and painted. You can create the crazy shapes needed for places like toontown and Seuss land.
Disney2002
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Originally posted by AndyMagic
Well it isn't and the park cost about double what Animal Kingdom cost and 5 times what MGM cost so I would :zipit: if I were you.
However, the money = quality argument never holds much water.
dxwwf3
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Originally posted by AndyMagic
Nice post! I'm a Disney guy all the way, but Universal also puts out quality attractions and IOA is one of my favorite parks. The themeing is better than expected and the rides are great. I used to never dream of spending any time off of WDW's "campus" but now I gladly spent a day over at IOA and don't think twice about it. Anyways I would think that most of us WDW fans would be glad Universal is coming up with wonderful attractions. It makes Disney get off of their butts and come up with some great new stuff too.
Especially since directly comparing monetary figures is a horribly inaccurate method of determining a park's value. When IOA opened, it more-or-less opened as a complete park, meaning every land that was intended to open had already done so. IOA hasn’t added any new attractions since the park’s opening in 1999.
MGM and Animal Kingdom have expanded significantly with the additions of high profile rides (Tower of Terror, Rockin' Roller Coaster, etc) and/or entirely new lands (as is the case with Asia); and they're still growing as evidenced by the construction of Everest and the new MGM stunt show; thus their values as a whole have risen as a result. Inflation can also play a role when comparing parks of different eras, as is the case with MGM vs IOA.
Disney2002
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Heck, I can build you a theme park out of confetti for 10x what it cost to make IOA.
DisneyFan 2000
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Can we PLEASE not turn this into a Disney vs. Universal Battle field! These things never end well in a Disney forum! Let's face the facts; IoA is considered to be a great park, but so is MGM and Ak. Lets not fight about it!
Lovecraft
Member
There are several ways in which the new mountain can be constructed. Most of them involve gunite (or shotcrete) of some form, though stucco could be used as well.
Foam, either polyurethane or polystyrene could be used as either a base or sprayed onto a wire mesh. Gunite or other mortar like material could then be applied to this.
My guess would be a combination of things with rebar, wire mesh and concrete forming most of the bulk of the mountain-- and fiberglass over foam forming many of the snow-covered decorative peices.
BTW, gunite, gunnite or shotcrete is just a mortar mix which is sprayed at high velocity and mixed with a consistency so that it will not slough off vertical surfaces. It is the same stuff used in concrete pool walls (which is then finished with a form of plaster).
Plaster, contrary to popular belief is waterproof when cured, but depending upon the type and mix ratio is not water resistent -- that is, water will not dissolve it, but will seep through it-- it is for this reason that slip casts molds are made from plaster -- water doesn't hurt the mold, but the mold does allow moisture to be drawn into it (forming the cast of slip clay, neoprene or latex)
Foam, either polyurethane or polystyrene could be used as either a base or sprayed onto a wire mesh. Gunite or other mortar like material could then be applied to this.
My guess would be a combination of things with rebar, wire mesh and concrete forming most of the bulk of the mountain-- and fiberglass over foam forming many of the snow-covered decorative peices.
BTW, gunite, gunnite or shotcrete is just a mortar mix which is sprayed at high velocity and mixed with a consistency so that it will not slough off vertical surfaces. It is the same stuff used in concrete pool walls (which is then finished with a form of plaster).
Plaster, contrary to popular belief is waterproof when cured, but depending upon the type and mix ratio is not water resistent -- that is, water will not dissolve it, but will seep through it-- it is for this reason that slip casts molds are made from plaster -- water doesn't hurt the mold, but the mold does allow moisture to be drawn into it (forming the cast of slip clay, neoprene or latex)
Lovecraft
Member
Oh interesting fact about foams:
Urethane foams, when burning emit toxic fumes deadly to humans. This is the kind of foam found frequently in upholstery cushions.
Styrofoam (polystyrene) foams, while stinky when burned, are non-toxic.
I just learned this recently -- I had wanted to use urethane spray foam that would then be hardened with stucco for some props and found I would have to use styrofoam instead to meet certain fire codes.
Urethane foams, when burning emit toxic fumes deadly to humans. This is the kind of foam found frequently in upholstery cushions.
Styrofoam (polystyrene) foams, while stinky when burned, are non-toxic.
I just learned this recently -- I had wanted to use urethane spray foam that would then be hardened with stucco for some props and found I would have to use styrofoam instead to meet certain fire codes.
BrerBear
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Does anyone remember how long it took to contruct Splash Mountain's mountain. I figure if you take that amount of time and multily it by 2x (Everest is about twice the size it seems) that there would be a rough estimate of how long it would take to do the rock work on EE.
Just an idea:lookaroun
Just an idea:lookaroun
Disney2002
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I would actually that would be an overestimate. Projects take so long to start up... Doing a project twice as long won't necessarily double the length of time. Although 2x splash is probably a good ceiling for any estimates.
Shaman
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Great post! I agree...
Just because we're Disney fans doesn't mean we can't be Universal fans too...Disney will always be Disney...my love for it is in no way jeopordized if I go to Universal and enjoy their parks...
:lookaroun :wave:
As for the mountain I doubt they'll change their usual way of building them...I mean they could always try something new...and with a project of this magnitude it certainly isn't out the question...
But speaking of the mountain...will the mountain have chambers within (like small caves or rooms to add to the coaster and the ride experience) or will it be hollow like Space Mountain?
ToTBellHop
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The mountain has ice caverns. The actual rockwork doesn't take all that long--look at Disney's last mountain, Grizzly Peak. The rockwork, itself, took maybe 8 months. After all the supports are up, it's a quick process.
BrerBear
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Does anyone know what the theming will be for the mountain besides the obvious. Will there be:
- the remains of former mountain climbers (beastly kingdom was supposed to have the remains of various knights who tried to battle the dragon)?
- anything inside the town carved out of the mountain?
- unique types of trees and plants, or a new animal exhibit?!
If someone has got insider info on this, that would be so great!:sohappy:
- the remains of former mountain climbers (beastly kingdom was supposed to have the remains of various knights who tried to battle the dragon)?
- anything inside the town carved out of the mountain?
- unique types of trees and plants, or a new animal exhibit?!
If someone has got insider info on this, that would be so great!:sohappy:
Bill
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There will be "remains" of the camp, but not of the actual climbers.
Many Asian plans are being brought in, but there's no plan for any animals or any part of the actual town to be carved out of the Mt. Something very unique about Everest is its location... it will be in the distance, away from the rest of the park. This will aid in the illusion of the Mt. being much taller.
Many Asian plans are being brought in, but there's no plan for any animals or any part of the actual town to be carved out of the Mt. Something very unique about Everest is its location... it will be in the distance, away from the rest of the park. This will aid in the illusion of the Mt. being much taller.
BrerBear
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The town that I was refering to was the one seen in the artists painting of the Everest site. In that picture there is a village in foreground, and in the backround is an image of the mine train traveling up the mountain and through a carved out structure. It seems to be passing through it.
DarkMeasures
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Yeah.... it's my house.